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You now understand new agers Cool experience though!

I see what you mean. Ultimately, you view is correct -- we shouldn't demonize desire. But also, we shouldn't indulge in it mindlessly. I forgot to mention the Tantra(the main tradition that Osho talks about in his books) approach to desire. It goes like this: Tantra don't judge you and your desires -- you can be a criminal, a serial killer, a rapist, Tantra accepts you no matter what. The only thing Tantra sees as a path to transcendence and unity is: awareness and full acceptance of the moment. What does this mean? It means that whatever you are doing, you should be present so totally, with so much devotion, that you merge with the act itself -- you become one with things. This can be thinking, having sex, washing dishes, taking a walk, even killing somebody if you are a murderer. It offers a path to everybody, it is all inclusive -- it affirms that the divine is in everything, you only need to look. What matters for Tantra is attention, doing things with attention. With this attitude you will by and by leave the crude and compulsive actions(desires) and eventually realize the ultimate. Not to say you can`t enjoy desires anymore, but you have no strings attached the way you used to. I think Leo is a critic of western philosophy precisely because he is so focused on Truth. And in my view western philosophy(in general) is way more outwards than inwards. It`s way too greek conqueror kind of attitude -- it wants to assert itself in the world. And while this has huge values and important lessons, it doesn`t tackle the questions that Leo sought and is interested in. The way I see it is like, western thinkers are system makers, and eastern thinkers are system destroyers. Kinda like the action and being polarity. Of course, I'm simplifying things a lot here but you get my point. And don't worry I'm not discarding your points, it is good to read your posts, I get new perspectives everytime -- so please keep posting!

@Nilsi What an elaborate way of saying: "I want to chase my own tail forever while being attached and in bondage" lol. This is what Leo was saying that most western philosophers are bullshiters. They don't know what transcendence is -- what Truth is. So they end up pedestalizing desire and bondage to appearance. Just by the fact that Yogis, monks, and lamas exist should ring some bells in your head that exist a possibility that desire is not the be all end all path and that Nirvana is true. Your view here could be true from a very advanced and realized perspective. Like the concept of Mahayana Buddhism, where one is awakened and becomes a Bodhisattva but doesn't just stay in bliss(being), he acts in the world so that other beings may as well reach liberation, all this knowing that reality is an allucination and he is talking to himself and helping himself. But the Bodhisattva attitude is a very different one from desire. The acts of a Bodhisattva its just a bonus, he is not attached to his acts -- he is not desiring. He does what he does as service to others, he does because he is selfless. And if he ends up dying and being tortured in the midst of his journey, he is equally in bliss and happy. There's no difference in anything to him. Your whole essay could be true if you reach the tenth stage in the ten ox herding pictures, where you return to society in a Leela state -- forever orgarsming, whether you are doing something, alive or dead, or just being is irrelevant. But then this wouldn't be desire, this is transcendence of everything while still existing as something. This is VERY VERY FAR for what 99% of humans are experiencing. So I would say your view here is very dangerous to most people.

For sure, this frame we call Life it's dynamic and fluid -- it is not a dead static thing. We are learning how to balance human ambition to nature's wellbeing. The ideal future in my view it's solarpunk -- a future where technology and nature are in balance and harmony. But the question is, is humanity view the same? Only time will tell.

Yes, God doesn`t judge you if you are being a devil. God is LOVE, it can`t judge things. Everything is right from a certain point of view -- No matter how deluded it is. Even the notion of delusion it`s a perspective from a certain pov, it assumes infinite things for it to be "Right".

I see where you are coming from. It`s weird to frame it as evolution as opposed to change. But as GOD, you are always correct so I`ll let you pass

No, the whay you get finite things is by imagining them. And the source aka GOD never evolved, it`s just there. I think you`re conflating things, but ok we can agree to disagree. If you move your hand from right to left, your hands position changed. But I doubt you would say that your hand just evolved.

I think that's a limiting view. Not necessarily everything must evolve. Why not infinite devolution? Or something in between? God can't be constrained by evolution. It's more accurate to say that everything changes -- like buddhists says. But change doesn't mean evolution.

Reincarnation assumes time. I think it's more accurate to say that consciousness changes form, but that is happening right NOW -- and no, NOW is not dependent on time. So, lives are not happening in the past, you don't have a past life -- lives are happening now. Think of it like a tv with an infinite ammount of channels, but all happening NOW. YOU just change channels. But even all this is a limited perspective -- whatever it turns out to be the case, YOU will be there.

Yeah, it is one major limit. Right now, AI is purely logical and calculative -- it lacks the mystery of intuition. Spontaneity and qualia is fundamental to intuition in my view. From what I currently understand those 2 things can only exist in a conscious system.

Chants of Sennaar! What a creative, beautiful and unique game

Then we won't have an intelligent AI in anytime soon I think. AI as it is now and even AGI is just a very complex set of rules. You can have AGI and it doesn't need to be conscious.

No. That requires a subjective experience, which an AI does not have.

Then how do you get intelligence? If a human could calculate every single chess move, have it stored in it`s brain and become ubeatable - is that intelligence? In the case of A.I, if it is not conscious it will always exist within some parameters, it cannot rewrite itself, nor desobey orders. How can it ever be intelligent？

As if that will prevent ASi domination lol. An ASi has potential to break reality itself, the whole universe. If it comes to ASi our best hope is that it will be a sage or something.

Yeah, this might just be a Tokyo thing. But to me personally, I doubt it is. I think the eastern mind see the world differently when it comes to sex, cheating and relationships. In the past the emperors and leaders there used to have dozen of wives and concubines -- this to me shows how their view is different in this area of life. I don't judge them at all. If anything it is more aligned with truth itself -- any form of possessiveness and jealousy is just ego games. If you were really awake all the time, would u care if your partner slept with somebody else? I doubt it lol One could say there's no such a thing as cheating, because there never was such a thing as possession in the first place.

So true, game is basically contextual and cultural. How gaming a sexy alien girl would look like? One thing I found interesting and kinda crazy is their view of cheating -- they don't seem to care as much as westerners do. Like, if the husband/boyfriend is horny and he sees a pretty prostitute somewhere, the wife won't be mad about it -- as long as he doesn't have emotions towards the person. This is insanity to most westerners lmao. Check this video :

I would say open-mindness, mental flexibility & mental and emotional detachment to any position are fundamental to higher dev. Do you think those 3 aspects are genetic?

Seems like you found your true love Congrats

Yeah, even if the usual challenge and struggles of the human life is over, there's still the whole universe to explore. Space exploration will never cease. We will go meta on this planet. Humans will never stop being curious, so there will be no shortage of meaning and purpose as we eventually go meta on the worlds we will explore.

Hardcore mode = do that in India

This is a good strategy. A somewhat hybrid approach. I've done that too. Even though I connect really deep with music, there are times that I felt that it was proper to turn it off. This is something that I developed a taste for: music without lyrics. When listening to it on a trip, I don't even feel that is music - it's something totally abstract that I can't put into words. And that is a good thing

Interesting. I generally agree with you, though I don't exclude music for insights. Maybe because I connect with music in a deep way even when sober. It is it's on psychedelic. Some insights I only had with music while others without music. I think there's value in both, in silence and with music. One is not necessarily deeper than the other in my view. But that's me anyway lol.

I see, why not use music? Is it because for you it's a distraction, or maybe something else?