Eskilon

I see, and it`s all good. Agree with you here This topic is way too sensitive for it to have a meaningful conversation in public -- hence Leo deleted his video. This one is best to contemplate alone and preferably at high states of consciousness.

@Natasha Tori Maru Something being unfalsifiable shoudn't diminish your interest on the topic. Actually it should increase. I know this topics might be boring for someone who loves the intellect, because you can't argue, you can't do much with it. Truth by definition cant be made false. You can't alter it no mather the circumstances. It is unfalsifiable. While I haven't grasped Solipsism in my being, I think the guys who are defending here might have done it. Like its something akin to being lucid in a dream, theres no doubt about it, you just KNOW it is true 100%. Doubts are gone. And even if you havent personally awakened to Solipsism it makes perfect sense if you analyse your life. Nothing has ever happened if you weren't there to experience. This is 100% the case. Even stuff "behind the scenes" they are only there because you are here. You are on the scene. Just my 2 cents.

If Solipsism is true, there's no other alternatives.

The final step to total immersion would be total forgetfullness that you are in a videogame. But would you want that? The cost to perfect illusion is high

Yes, this makes sense. You can say its all karma, Alan Watts couldn`t stop drinking alchohol, Osho owned 20+ Rolls Royce etc etc. But theres another name to Karma too -- self-deception.

Why should you do anything at all?

Yes from the absolute perspective everything is neutral. But there is such a thing as evolution and progression. And there are things that help you evolve more and learn and things that doesnt; the things that doesn't help are called -- self-deception.

You can use that line of reasoning to justify anything and not change.

This is such a self-deception lol. It proves that no matter how awake, self-deception will most likely continue.

And that's precisely what I describred?? ""The beginning is the end, the end is the beginning" . It does happen if you were to analyse or look at the structure through logic or reason. There's no relative, no set, subset or superset. All you said are mental projections into reality. All that exist is this spontaneous moment. And it does not have a name. But if one were to name it it would be: Absolute with no other.

"The beginning is the end, the end is the beginning" This is a classic strange-loop. A strange loop is a contradiction, fundamentally. It tries to equate two vastly distinct aspects, that shouldn't be equated if you think logically. You're saying that ""God is the absolute and the absolute can divide itself into the relative, and then the relative can recognize itself as part of the absolute again". If GOD is absolute, it cannot relate, or be divided, it is the only thing that exists by definition. So you saying it can divide itself is a contradiction and incoherent. I am saying that, the Infinity of GODs is GOD trying to grasp the possibility of other absolutes. And of course, if you were to analyse this logically it doesn't make any sense and it is a contradiciton, yes you got that. But, as I said, GOD is not bound by such things, and thus is able to accomplish such feats.

Every statement about GOD is unclear and equivocal. Whether is sound and logical or contradictory and incoherent is still imprecise. But Ok, I get that you don't like strange-loops, which is weird because it is one of the most sophisticated pointers in regards to understanding of GOD. To each their own I guess lol. How do you know? You can`t know what Leo discovered. So it's best to suspend your judgment and be open. Lmao, No? Why would I expect that? Do you think anyone here expect such a thing? Dude, I am not believeing Leo blindly, trust me. I know what epistemology is.

Bruh. Stange-loop is the exact opposite of that. Strange-loopiness is what prevent GOD from fully knowing itself, even though GOD needs to be omniscient and fully sovereign by the logic of Oneness. It's the very definition of Mystery with a capital M. It's the transrational factor. It's what makes GOD to exist and not exist at the same time. Yes and No. God is one thing, it cannot be multiple things. But at the same time, it can. No. God is absolute and needs to be at all places at all times, there's no room for disconnection and not knowing itself. But at the same time, it can. No, everything must be the same thing. Everything is absolute. The words you are seeing on the screen is the whole reality. The whole universe is here. Did you grok what sameness is? The thing is, GOD must not be bound by rationality. I know it sounds bogus to our human minds, but GOD is beyond all limits, including logic and coherence. Everthing is known to GOD, but if that was the case, if knowing ends, that's a limit. It cannot happen. So GOD is always knowing, its a process, fluid and flexible thing, like water. It must be so because of infinity and the absence of limits. So in a sense GOD is not omniscient, it is always learning, and going, so this leaves room for unknowns, hence the Infinity of GODs awakening. I don't think Leo contacted Aliens perse, like some entity outside talking to him and giving him wisdom. It's just that I presume he discovered a radically new field of consciousness that allows for new sense-making and insight; and that it must be so weird that he named Alien.

Let`s say you suddenly won 200 million dollars(go with me here), what would you do？ I think this question is important to see if you are really aligned with your life purpose. In my view, if your day to day activity changed drastically after such feat, that's a sign you weren't aligned & was not being honest to what you really enjoyed in life. Not to say you couldn't do some things more effectively, like speeding up your bussiness, buying high quality gear, or moving to a more suitable location to achieve your goals. But in essence, the core of what you do day to day shouldn't change much. Anyway, I am curious, what would you guys do?

@Carl-Richard I think you didn't quite grasp the significance of the Infinity of Gods video, otherwise you woudn't make this sort of comment. The Infinity of Gods video is the ultimate strange-loop(period). Can GOD be absolute and multiply itself in other absolutes but never truly know? Never truly encounter other Absolutes but intuit that it exists? But if GOD could do that would it be truly absolute and omniscient? Well that's the strange-loop and a consequence of unlimitedness. Yeah no. I don't think alien awakening is machine-elves or anything of the sort. Science only investigates, discover and understands things about reality. Carl-Richard: Are we supposed to be amazed when science investigates, discover and understands new and original things about reality?yes, dUh. What is there to be amazed in life if not to understand and explore new stuff? Just because pyschedelics increases consciousness, from that it doesn't follow that you will understand the same stuff I understand, and that it doesn't have uncharted territory never explored before. And definetly doesn't mean it easy to get there.

Well, ultimately nothing is independent because everything is connected -- Karma. But I would say here would be Infinity of Gods, and Alien Awakening.

What? I think that's accurate if you were to briefly describe Leo and his teachings.

So basically you will get liberated when you don't "get out" of the awakening experience, when that remains a constant in your life you are liberated, correct? About this I have an interesting quote and a question to share. The quote is from Sri Aurobindo: "A quiet mind does not mean that there will be no thoughts or mental movements at all, but that these will be on the surface, and you will feel your true being within, separate from them, observing but not carried away". Now, how does this fit with the Gary Weber example? If you are awake and liberated, will you stop to having thoughts altogether and operate based on intuition and spontaneity or you will still have thoughts, but at the heart of it you are a very distant observer, and you can see thoughts happening like you see people walking on the street? Also, theres a third possibility worth mentioning -- Where you have complete mastery of yourself and you will only ever think if you want. Meaning thoughts cannot happen out of the blue. Which has interesting implications for insight in my view(usually you have no control of when insights will hit you, in this state however, maybe you do?)

And how does that look like? Is Leo awake but not liberated？ Can you give me an example os someone who fits the awake but not liberated category, and also an example of the awake and liberated category.

An energy compelling you to act？

Can you be awake without being liberated? Can you have desires and still be liberated?

Let psychedelics obliterate said critic

Go to Leo's house

That's actually of one the best steps posted here. Cool stuff. Lmaao. I can understand that. I personally wouldn't fall for that because I grasped the shallowness of it. But, yeah, power can definitely corrupt those who don't quite know themselves deep enough.

I see.