Eskilon

The ultimate being

Too woke. @Leo Gura I bet you haven't reached the eye poppin awakening yet

Mantras can also make you sleepy and decrease your attention. When you are repeating stuff it becomes like a lullaby -- you are getting ready to sleep, becoming hypnotized. Which is the exact opposite of what you want in meditation -- you want more consciousness not less.

Well buddha did create frameworks like the Noble Eightfold Path and talked about suffering and so on. But generally he didn't talk what God is, what Truth is, what these meta-things is. We need not pollute the seekers minds with what appears to him as only concepts #OnlyMethods #StopPollutingSeekersMind #DoTheWork

Yes. But what you are talking is not true giving -- it is false altruism. I am talking about true selflessness -- which exist but is very very rare.

No, to give is to be selfless, and people are ugly selfish. They want to receive and give nothing or very little.

@Leo GuraSince you were a game designer, share some games too!

Because men want attention and can't be by themselves.

Doing 30 days of 5-Meo or doing a hardcore zen-style meditation retreat has a much higher chance of producing enlightment than talking to yourself in your head that you are not this body not this mind. For enlightment to happen you need Meditation, complete absorption into yourself. Not talking to yourself like "Oh look, here is my ass, Am I that? hmmm, maybe not, Oh I feel my arm, Am I that? Don`t think so, next."

Well every night you let go of all your attachments and go into deep sleep. Yet people are not enlightened, so what's the catch here? Letting go of attachments is the first basic step, The beginning, bread and butter stuff. But it does not guarantee enlightment.

So it is with deconstruction.

If only it were so easy. Do you think monks are not great at deconstructing? And yet, most of them are seekers and not Buddhas. Buddha himself had to do 6 years of intense austerity and discipline. Mahavira was 12 years of that and even harsher with himself. Now, do you think the average monk and practioner in this day and age lmao -- can just grok Being by deconstructing? heh

Well, just look around you vr experience. How many buddhas do you see?

I didn't mean it like that. The seeker must believe that the formless exist, it involves faith. Or he can be agnostic about it and simply don't say anything about it but remain open -- not believing nor disbelieving. I just have problems with you saying " Spiritual practice is about linking form to the formless" the word linking here assumes that one knows what is linking what and what that means. The seeker doesn't know that, but he listens and stay open-minded because he is commited to know. This is one of the reasons Buddha avoided saying what happens when you reach nibbana -- it will only pollute the seeker's mind and slow his process. A true mature realized spiritual teacher gives only methods, without polluting the seeker's minds with expectations, notions, concepts, rewards and such. That teacher won't say that Brahman is, what formless is, what Love is; he will give you methods and remain in silence about it -- even though he himself has experienced those things.

LMAAAO

This assumes that you have accessed the formless and know what Death is. Hate to break to you, but even the majority of the forum members here have no clue what that is -- let alone the majority of mankind. Most people are Seekers, they haven't arrived, nor will they arrive in one lifetime. They are not realized ones. So your statement here is not so accurate. It might sound simplistically to an ego full of intellect, but it really is that simple, Death is not complicated. Stop intellectualizing Death. Various spiritual masters said they cant believe how they have missed awakening -- it was here the whole time, they just need to look, to be. This is not Neo-Advaita, you wont reach it through self-inquiry at the age of 23. Simple doesn't mean easy.

Doctor: "You are dying my son, and I can't do anything about it. Want to say something?" Carl: "Silence! I'm deconstructing what Death is".

What Leo has to do with anything ? Aren't you a sovereign mind? Meditation has to be done everywhere for you to be really transformed, like the zen masters says. Haha, nice try, but since I am GOD here`s one for you: Public class NiceTryCarl{ public boolean truth = true; public boolean carlExists = true; public static boolean goingMetaOnCarlForever(){ return truth; } public static void main(String[] args) { while(carlExist){ System.out.println("Let it go Carl"); goingMetaOnCarlForever(); } } }

Yes. And to me, that`s what is so beautiful about it. Death is the only certainty you have in your life. Everything else is open to debate and questions, but not Death. Death WILL happen no matter what you are or what you have done it. It`s the most powerful force there is. The most selfless too because you are guaranteed to experience it In a way Buddha was a Death fetishist. He only cared to know what Death is, everything else was meaningless to him. This is the most optimal attitude to spirituality, when you see the world as meaningless, you will start to befriend Death -- and know its ways.

Only if it is not a breakthrough psychedelic. Some psychedelics will go only to the chimp(ego) level and purify and upgrade that -- but it will not blast you straight into nothing and force you to confront Death -- you have no say in the matter. Good luck ignoring that invitation. If that's the case, then the meditation session wasn't that deep. You need to come out of meditation in a dissasociated state, where you are here and at the same time you are not. In that state focus is pretty easy, because you're not attached to anything in particular -- you attention has a diffusive quality to it, you pay attention to everything and nothing at the same time. No, deconsctruction itself is a mental game, an illusion -- but a necessary and useful one. Deconstruction is not the final destination and can't be Truth. Reality is not designed like that, no part can have more importance than any other part, no monopoly, and no hierarchy -- that's what it means by a selfless design. If that's the case, then, deconsctruction is not the be all end all, and you need to go meta and let go of that too.

Genetics, stage in life, method, values and so on. You will not go deep in meditation if you are not ready to die -- period. If you have a bunch of worldly desires meditation will not have the intended results. You much better doing a more violent method -- psychedelics. But that too is dangerous so yeah lol. Well, if you have a very fat and gross ego, then sure you need to deconstruct all that. But not while you are in meditation itself. You are not sitting there saying to yourself "I am not this body, I am not this mind" that helps with nothing. You might engage with this sort of thing after meditation. -------------- You also need to deconstruct deconstruction itself. Deconstruction is a trap too if you want to reach pure consciousness and know what Death is. You want pure being and that requires that you be absolutely clean and a virgin state. You need to BE.

This is BS. If one is genuinely a spiritual person, why should he play the monkey games of survival? If he wants truth that badly playing survival with this much engagement is detrimental.

Fair enough. Whenever you are ready it, we got an eternity for it

For sure. Just saying that because there's a strong emphasis on psychedelics on this forum. It is easy to fool oneself thinking that pyschedelics are enough and you don't need to do the "natural" method -- you need both.

Which chemical was your breakthrough? Or was it natural?