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Actually, I think he misunderstood the other user.

Not sure about that. Would you claim that you or other people don't suffer from sitting non-stop for 2 weeks?

@OBEler Really interesting. The last painting though... he depicted himself as basically abstract colors, that seems to be in motion. Can we assert that, the more fluid = more insane or inconsistent one reality is?

The two are intimately related in my view. How can they be separate? But it exists though, because you remember, in a way. Does non-existence, exists? Well, it seems like it do because it belongs to the set of everything which must includes non-existence.

I see. This is my current understanding of it too. You are there, but not aware of anything in particular, so it`s basically nothing? No movement, no form, no qualia, just " ". I feel like really cracking what deep sleep is, might be intimately related with awakening, because you have no boundaries there, not any form, but you still is, but right now we are not aware of that. We need to do the impossible and realize that which you can't really realize in the conventional way of what realizing is. I think that might be you with the captial Y. But I don't know at the moment soo, yeah. Hmm, I feel like deep sleep might be pointing to what Absolute is. A nothing is a nothing irrespective of who or what is trying to grasp it. This is how I understand it anyway🤠

She a puzzle demon 😈... tricking us with her intelligence and charm🤯😳 I have experieced this too. Every sensantion that we have here is the same there, no difference at all. The biggest difference is the sense of self, but you can remember some things that your self from life knows in your lucid dream. Crazy. That`s interesting and funny that you dreamed with actualize.org users😅🤣. I only dreamed with Leo once, he was mad weird in that dream, a stoner, lmao😂. I too keep some notes about my dreams, I have very weird dreams, but I can recall most of them. I heard this is rare among people, most people dont remember their dreams. I actually was interested in knowing what`s your position on deep sleep in particular, since its the most mysterious to me, and with deep spiritual significance🧐.

@tashawoodfall You said the World is going to destruction and collapse, but you also you mentioned utopia too. The destruction of the world is the biggest utopia？ Can you explain a little what you mean from your experience.

@Natasha Tori Maru What's your insight on deep sleep? I am curious to know what you know about it.. Natasha-sama🙏🧎😳

I see. I understand that nothing ever existed outside my experience, I am always where it happens. This has always been the case, to deny this is to assume many things, it is perfectly logical. However, I dont truly know who Am I yet, not at the level of being, of undeniability of rolling of the ground in esctasy after knowing it, I didnt experience that yet. And I agree that in sleep you are basically just chaning scenery, even deep sleep might be that. It makes perfect sense, but I don't feel transformed after understanding this, so probably not a truly real understanding yet. I know I am not a thought, because I am the one who is aware of the thoughts, I am observing them. I know I am not any sensation, because I can observe every sensation. The closest thing I have reached so far is, I am attention. What does that mean? When you focus on some part of your body and start feeling, that is the "thing" I think I am. Not the sensation of my arms, legs, or any thing, but the awareness that allows for me to feel and experience things. This awareness doesnt seem to have form or anything and also doesnt seem to be located anywhere, it is empty. But I can know and experience things through it. But again, I haven't been in deep bliss and a feeling of awakening or exhilaration (like that of suddenly being aware in a lucid dream) so there's definetly still more to untangle and comprehend. Thanks for your insight, God bless

I am I really am. I feel like cracking this its the same as being immortal, because youre essentially cracking what nothing is(as far as I understand). @Davino From reading the thread, deep sleep is consciousness, but theres no memory of you there. So theres cessation, there is no feelings, nothing which you are familiar in the waking state. What we usually associate as ourselfs, in the ordinary sense, its just a thought, or a memory. So then, when you have none of that in deep sleep, the you as you conceptualize or understand, is basically dead. Ramana Maharshi talks about there are 3 states of human existence: Dreaming, waking, and deep sleep. He says that the deep sleep is closest to your true nature. As I currently making sense of it, it's the pure you -- whithout any memory or form. I get the feeling I wont really crack this unless I am in a significantly altered state of consciousness. @Leo Gura What's your understanding of deep sleep, do you agree with Ramana? That it is the state that is more close to your true nature?

It does, you can press a button near a bed and the act of sleeping will occur. The screen will turn black and you will wake up in another time. How is this different from sleep in real life? I think what you are trying to tell is, consciousness never sleeps, in other words, consciousness can never not exist. Correct? It makes sense intellectualy because what doesnt exist doesnt exist, by definition. So there`s only what exists, existence. But, experientially, consciousness can definitely "forget itself" or go blind for moments, and that would be unconsciousness. But you exist, you are just not aware of it so. Which is why you can be alive, but not conscious. And that can link to what you were before Birth, exactly that -- total unconsciousness, not aware of anything in particular, but still there without an identity. Can you clarify your positon based on what I just wrote?

Thanks! You too

I see. When you said that you were going through some things I thought you meant trauma and difficult emotions to deal with. I do want to understand reality. It's challenging, but I am working throught it. It's sad that I don't have access to 5-meo and I have some natural resistance, but people already had awakening with "milder" substances(shrooms and Aya for example) so I will stick to those and meditation.

You could've gone much lighter than a nuke bomb lmao. You said that it awoke fears that you didnt know you had. Do you still want to go deeper even after knowing that? Maybe you do want to know what reality is？

@Sugarcoat Why did you take 5-meo if you would be fine not understanding reality? It seems like a contradictory move lol Or maybe you got a glimpse of where it would take you and you decided its not what you really want？

But then do you acknowledge that it exists? And that you were in that state before birth?

Its not that subtle, literally every serious spiritual tradition talks about it. A nuncanced point is: You have to deconstruct ego, not necessaly intellect. You can have an ego with little to no intellect, and you can have intellect with little to no ego. But this is rare to find.

doesn't this apply to men too? lol

Just like a rocket who got to the moon had to drop some of it`s structure to get there, the human has to drop the intellect to develop itself spiritually and eventually awaken. You need intellect to get off the ground but once you get off you need to drop it in spiritual pursuits. Intellect it`s a bridge that has its purpose but needs to be droped to realize certain things. A mean, not the end.

But they do though. You are there but you are not conscious. You experience deep sleep, but since it does not have anything to be aware of, its a blank. If this wasn`t the case, how can you remember that you were nothing in deep sleep？ Isn't this the most fundamental aspect of God, what gives it it's invencibility and what makes it untouched by corruption?

My point is that you cant get quite it for real -- never. It's really a result of your intelligence and state. Where is your meaning and this kind of questions in your dreams at night? But that just my point, it's vunerable like every point somebody will make about this. Just my 2 cents

Making fine distinctions and using logic is what everyone else is doing. One could say its the source of devilry. So no, it doesnt just help you haha

It is not found. It is created. it's in your head. A result of your level of intelligence. One could also claim that it is already here and you found it. And there are more possibilities, so which one is its true nature? See how it goes？

It is, in certain contexts. Because intellect is not truth nor does it lead you to it.

Should've hid it better😭