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@ICURBlessings I just want to see what other people think and if anyone understands what my original post means. I think something far more radical is going on with existence than most realize. People are constantly looking for answers to philosphical or spiriutal questions like these. But here's the thing I think is going on... There is simultatenously no answer as well as infinite answers. Any answer you choose as being "correct"for a quesiton like "What is the point of life" becomes the reality you experience. Why do so many people believe in millions of different answers to this question and somehow they all experience them as factual/objective realities. I think we have the power to "manifest" (if that's even the correct word to use) any reality we believe is true. You believe that Jesus Christ is the savior of humanity? Then you will "manifest" a reality where you experience that. You believe that the point of life is to pursue hedonism? Then you will "manifest" a reality where you experience that. It's not that any of these answers are necesarilly true. I don't think there is an answer to this question, and the thing is, depending on how you answer questions like these will determine in what ways you are limited. Someone commented that the point of life is love. By believing that, you are boxing yourself into a certain reality where you will not only seek out but also create a reality where you experience love to be the point of existence. It's not that believing that or experiencing a reality where that is true is bad, it just has its limitations. This is a step beyond relativism. I'm not just saying that all beliefs or judgements about reality are neutral (neither good or bad) but literally we have the power to shape what we experience to be true. So my thing is, if my beliefs play an active role in how I experience reality, why limit myself by choosing any singular answer to this question of "What is the point of life" or any other philosophical question?

@Hojo What do you mean by "power up your imagination"?

@Nivsch I'm sorry but this is blatantly incorrect. I choose how I feel all the time. You telling yourself that one cannot do it is precisely why you continue to live a life where your emotions are determined by external outcomes.

Stop following these gurus. The "No-mind" concept is bs. It doesn't imrpove your life and is only practical through meditation. What they are basically trying to achieve is a point of cessation where thoughts and even experiences "stop". Imagine if you were a baby looking out at the world and having no idea what everything is, you would just be in a state of wonder (or fear). You would not have ideas about what things are, their functions, their purposes, whether they are good or bad, etc. These gurus take this idea and have convinced people that it solves the problem of suffering. It doesn't, it's a bandaid fix. Their logic is this: Desires cause suffering through attachment. If thoughts are necessary for desires, then no thought/no mind = no suffering. Dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can't function in life without no thoughts. If you want to experience it in meditation, then fine, go ahead. But it's not going to majorly improve your emotions on a day-to-day basis. It's better to focus on transcending the belief that outcomes determine your emotions. This is what is holding you back. You fundamentally believe that reality has to be a certain way for you to avoid mental suffering. This is an illusion, and one I encourage you to question until you realize its illusory nature.

TLDR: There is next to 0 entertaining high conscious content creators on social media. We need to change that If the goal of people on this forum and other people involved in personal development/spirituality is to spread love and high conscious ideas, why are we not better are creating entertaining content in this genre? If hollywood and the industrial media can make garbage low conscious content entertaining, what's stopping us from formatting high conscious teachings in an entertaining way? I have seen other people on this forum make remarks about how you can't make high conscious teaching entertaining but I'm here to disprove y'all. That's why I started social media accounts across multiple platforms to do so. The problem is that low conscious people are never going to seek out the kind of content leo and other spiritual teachers make. That's why they need someone like me to cater to them so I can introduce these life changing topics to them. This is a call and challenge to others who have a creative passion and possibly experience with video editing to do the same. I would like anyone to comment video ideas or topics for me to make. I see no topic too deep or "out there" for me to format in an entertaining and informative way. Shoot your best ideas and will try to make content about them. Cheers.

@aurum If a forum's goal is not to spread ideas and have discussion what is the purpose? I mean seriously

There is no such thing as being awake. There are only different degrees of breaking free from limitations. I do not believe that there is a moment when someone is enlightened or any objective measure of what "enlightement" is. I think that there are an infinite number of stories that humans can believe about reality, and the only difference between someone who is "awake" or someone who is "asleep" is realizing the relative nature of these stories. Billions of people believe in the story of religion; that there is an objective purpose to their life they must follow in some form. Others believe in the story of culture, that one should fit in or follow social norms. Others believe in a personal story they tell themselves, that there is some form of meaning to their life they create and an ethical system they must follow. But all these people and I believe even most people on this form do not realize they are living in a story which is not real. I am not saying that everyone on here follows religion or cultural influences, what I am saying is that you have convinced yourself that your relative idea of what you must do with your life is an objective thing. That relative idea could be a spirituality concept like becoming a more loving person. But that is just a story you tell yourself and it has no objective validity for what you must do with your life. The fact of reality that most on here cannot accept, because it is too radical, is that all your ideas about purpose, meaning, and the concept of what you must do, is relative. There is no being, doctrine, or spiritual teaching that forces you to exist in a certain way. Believing in the idea that you must exist in a certain way or do certain things are just limitations of your true potential. For example: It is simply not true that becoming less attached to material desires is better for your life. The whole concept of "better" is a relative notion. Having someone else or some other being impose upon you their concept of what is "best" for your life is relative and limiting. Just because some guru thinks meditating and denying material wants will improve your life does not mean that is objectively true. Get this in your head: there is no objective determination of what is best for your life. In this life we have the incredible power to answer that question for ourselves. Most humans throughout history have been limited by believing in such lies that one must do something. You don't need to do anything or become anyone. You don't need to believe in any idea or follow any ideaology about anything. You have total freedom to exist in the way that you enjoy the most. I am tired of people on here talking about their idea of what they highest awakening is "iT's SoLiPsIsM bRo, "It'S gIvInG Up mAtErIal wAnTs" or any other bs limiting idea. There is no measuring stick in the universe that will prove what the heights of extistence are, no guru that has the authority to tell you where the end of the road is. Stop limiting yourself by agreeing with the echo chamber on here about spirutuality. Leo Gura has had some profound insights, but he isn't the end all know all. There is certainly more above what he has realized. Why doesn't everyone try to bring to the table here their own new insights rather than arguing over the same regurgitated bs about what the highest awakening is. I don't care what the highest awakening is because there isn't one. There's always more. If you want to tell yourself a story where the highest awakening and ideal to life is "X" then X will become the thing that limits you. You think its freedom when actually its just another chain your false identity has convinced you that you need in order to have meaning. For a group of people who sure like to talk about relativism, you seem to certainly hate any idea like mine that goes against your echo chamber. If I imply that , you don't have to meditate, you don't have to try and embody love, or you can be very attached to material desires, and that can be a better life than your idea of what humans should aspire to be, then I get bombared with hate. It's funny, for people who put on a mask of humility, y'all are so arrogant that you actually think that your idea of what is best in life is objective. Not even God can create objective meaning and you are certainly no god. You can't accept its all relative because thats too difficult and your ego fears it too much. You can't accept that embodying love is only relatively better than not embodying love. You can't accept that there is no need to follow any concept of what people should do with their lives because its too scary for you and it means your whole life has been a lie. And I don't want to see one reply saying "You just clearly need to integrate your lower desires before pursuing spirituality!". What I'm saying is way deeper than that and you will probably never get it. I'm saying it doesn't matter what people do. They don't have to follow your idea of what is best, that's just a limitation you are imposing upon them. You will never find a religion, a spiritual teaching, or a god that can give your life meaning. You can exist any way you want even if that means that you believe in these limiting stories. While nearly everyone on here keeps trying to find the "truth of reality" and trying to "find" what they need to do with their lives, (because you will never find that answer) I am going to break down these limitations which prevent me from expressing myself how I truly enjoy,

@Ishanga You’re missing my entire point. You are limiting yourself by seeing enlightenment as the highest potential. There is no highest potential. There is always more. Reality is infinite, there is no final moment where you are awakened. So believing that “enlightenment” is the final stage is just a box you’re putting yourself in and then proclaiming to the world that it is the final goal of your life. It’s not. You can achieve enlightenment then go 5 steps beyond. Just because you put yourself in a box and that’s all you can see doesn’t mean that’s the entire tapestry of possibilities. For example, enlightenment teachers usually purport that desires lead to suffering. While that may be true for most people, at a high enough level you can still be attached to any desire and transcend suffering almost entirely. But they don’t teach this because they limit themselves by saying that their concept of enlightenment is the highest goal in life. If you want that to be the final thing you can awaken to then fine, so be it. But there’s way more you haven’t even realized and you’re fooling yourself to think once you’re “enlightened” your done.

@Inliytened1 “Better man” that’s a relative value statement. Get this idea out of your head that there’s some objective “awakening” or “enlightenment”. The only reason you want there to be an end all be all Truth is because you need meaning in your life. I don’t need someone or some being to tell me what I need to do. Answer me this why is it better for me to be “awakened” than not? Try answering that without making a relative value claim. If you can’t, then stop implying I’d be better off following your idea about enlightenment.

@Inliytened1 lol you can’t even disprove what I’m saying. It’s only relatively better to be “enlightened” to your concept of what enlightenment is than to “stay asleep”. look at you getting offended about what I do with my life. You can believe all you want that I’m “asleep”, talk about dogmatism. Can’t even give a reason why I’m wrong or why I should follow your concept of what I should do with my life. aka you thinking I would be better “enlightened” whatever that means. you know how arrogant that is to basically say I’m wrong and your idea of what is best is right! Ha! Just proves you didn’t get the deep profundity of my post.

@Inliytened1 You’re imagining enlightenment. It’s a relative concept. I went through a profound amount of suffering when I was a child and teenager. I’m talking suicidal for years. I now forget what suffering even feels like. My age has no bearings on what I am saying. Wisdom has no age. Get that silly idea out of your head, Yes, I don’t care if I am stating there is no objective thing you must do. Any idea of what you must do is relative. It’s as simple as that. Even if a god gave my life a “purpose” that still is relative to that beings perspective.

@Shakazulu This is no "highest teaching". There can always be deeper levels of awakenings and wisdom. Stop fooling yourself that there is an end to this madness because there isn't. Embrace the chaos and embrace the infinite journey of evolution.

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I am tired of everyone on here debating over solipsism is true or not. The problem is most people are not creating clear definitions of the terms we are talking about. I am not trying to be mean but a lot of people on here are not equipped to be talking about a topic like this. People on here keep saying some post along the lines like this “Bro no one exists except you! You are God therefore only you exists!” Of course, only God exists, we get it. An infinite being which encompasses everything, is everything, and has no limitations. Anything you imagine, including your friends and family, is included in this definition of God. But, just because God is everything does not mean that there cannot be separate conscious experiences occurring which you are not aware of. People on this forum think that because God is everything, it = their conscious experience is the only conscious experience occurring = solipsism is true. Well if you phrase it as “everything is God and therefore there is only me!” of course solipsism is true. But this is grossly misinterpreted by nearly everyone on here. Just because God is all that exists does not mean that you are the only limited conscious experience of reality that is occurring. It is entirely possible and in fact inevitable that there are conscious experiences occurring that you are not aware of. Why? Because if you say that there cannot be other conscious experiences occurring that you are not aware of, then you are placing a limitation on God. God is limitless and completely sovereign. Of course, God can imagine billions of different conscious experiences that are simultaneously occurring that yet are unaware of other peoples’ conscious experiences. It’s not that hard and I am tired of people thinking this is such a difficult topic. It's honestly not that profound either. Edit: i forgot to mention how debating over this is also a waste of time. It's really not going to improve your life and, in fact, it will damage many mentally unstable people, possibly including yourself. It's doing more harm then good. I get some on here just want to pursue Truth, but sometimes people need to be more careful before sharing their unfleshed-out ideas.

Models of the evolution of human consciousness such as spiral dynamics present a major flaw in which they sneak in value judgements regarding different stages. Leo and pretty much everyone else on here presents “higher stages” as better than ones preceding it. I just read a post on here about stage orange being better than stage blue as an example of what I mean. However, I have realized that the idea that any stage being “better” or “more advanced” than any other is completely relative. Saying that stage turquoise is better than the lower stages is relative from the perspective of a person that values the things that are provided at a stage turquoise level. It begs the question, what even is this model presenting if it attempts to posit that higher stages are superior than lower ones? Simply because a different stage has a different worldview and identity which it operates from does mean existing in that stage is better than any other. In fact, I realized that this whole notion of there being any “stages” to awakening or enlightenment are bs. There may be natural stages which people commonly follow when living like what is presented in Spiral Dynamics, but all these models are sneaking in relative value judgements about them. Even your “enlightened” masters and monks do this. They talk about all of these platitudes such as: how people should pursue awakening and samadhi and how you can’t find satisfaction without giving up the ego, etc… But what none of these “masters” don’t realize is that this is all relative. Why value awakening or reaching profound levels of peace? Reaching high states of “awakening” are not necessarily better than living an average human life. “How can that be? Obviously achieving peace and satisfaction is better than pursuing desires harharhar” No, that is a relative statement where you value peace over other experiences that you can have. In fact, God does not give af what you do with your life. You do not need to follow any human idea or concept of what you should do with your life. After all, these ideas are relative. I’m sure I am going to annoy a lot of spiritual people’s egos in here who think that everyone has to work on “evolving” their consciousness otherwise they're not as “evolved” as they are. Lol it doesn’t matter and you’re asleep like they are. In fact, from an objective perspective a stage red person is just as perfect as a stage turquoise level. Just some food for thought

@Leo GuraFor example, there is a post recently made on this forum that is about "How to Overcome Attachment?". Thinking this way is very detrimental to most. This person is probably thinking that it is objectively better for them to give up their desires and attachments so they can obtain total peace. Now, they are probably starting to demonize their desires which creates and internal conflict of two different parts of themselves that want peace and the other parts that want to pursue desires. He does not realize that finding satisfaction with no mind will not make him satisfied. There are parts of him that want other things. Does that make sense? There are other parts of him that don't care about peace and just want to have fun. Neither parts of that person are better or worse. But they are getting trapped in the mindset that the desire to let go of attachments is better for them than the desire to do other things in life.

From your perspective it is. From my experience it is cool, but not that life changing after the dust has settled. I realized that the only thing to do is to pursue what I enjoy. I think most people, including myself until recently, believe that there is something we must do in this life. For people who pursue spirituality a lot of the times it comes across that we should become more loving or help others. It can be a variety of other things, but it is wrapped up in an idea that there is an objective purpose to existence. If I don't meditate x hours a week, believe x ideas, and live a certain way I am not awakened. People package awakening that it is a great thing that can happen. I think its value is highly overstated. The only real way my life has changed after pursuing awakening i that I am conscious on a deeper level of why I do things. I used to act unconsciously on desires without knowing any of the biases operating the steering wheel behind my life. Spirituality made me believe, and I think a lot of others too, that these biases are bad and should be removed. But, I have recently realized that thinking this way is just as subjective as the biases. So I have now adopted a lifestyle where I simply try to embody the purest form of my existence. I simply do what I enjoy and exist the way I enjoy. In fact, my life is, in many ways, similar to the way it was 4 years ago before I started philosophy/spirituality. The difference is I realize the absolute relativity of my beliefs and everyone elses, and I am making a conscious decision to experience the things I enjoy, rather than let them unconsciosuly control me. I do not think many people here can relate or understand what I am saying because they have not awakened to the fact that awakening is only relatively better than staying asleep. Most people pursue awakening because they think it will be genuinely better than many other things they can dedicate their time to. I think that many also believe that it would be a great thing for other people to pursue awakening too. Now that i see how this is as relative as any other value judgement, I have come to accept that there are many other things I enjoy more than experiencing the bliss and peace of no mind. Awakening has significantly reduced the suffering I experience in life, but now that the dust has settled, I realize that there are many other things I genuinely enjoy more than letting go and experiencing peace. It is not that I cannot return to that state to enjoy it also, but that I have many other things which I would rather do.

@CARDOZZO I do not see most people portraying it that way. Most people explicitly slip in value judgements, at least on this forum.

@Leo Gura You are missing my point. It is not better for everyone to pursue awakening, enlightenment, Samadhi, whatever you want to call it. Sure, it can be interesting, enjoyable, and peaceful once you reach it, but acting like it will 100% satisfy you and it is the best thing in life is a lie. Really, awakening does not change anything unless you place it on a pedestal. I doubt, even if most people experienced radical awakenings and integrated them, that they would end up living like a monk. I am tired of spiritual gurus acting as if living in a cave and meditating all day is going to be thing the best thing for you. No offense, but your response is honestly weird and dismissive. It actually points to what I am saying which is just do what you want. Trying to pedestalize spirituality or any idea of how someone should live their life is limiting and denying the multi-facted state of human experience.

I used to do drugs and I liked doing them when I was younger. The older I got the more anxious I got when I was high. It eventually got to the point where I stopped liking drugs or alcohol entirely. I just prefer being sober for nearly every reason. Psychedelics specifically make me feel instantly anxious. I have only tried shrooms. I have tripped about 5 times on 1.5g+. A few months ago I dipped my toes in the water again with a small microdose. like 0.3g and I could feel some anxiety beginning to build as it hit. I do not know if my brain chemistry changed or my perspective changed, but I just can't get high anymore. Maybe I have some undiagnosed anxiety problems? I do not feel that anxious or stressed in my day to day life. Maybe I just realized I do not like doing drugs? Anyways, weed is the same way. Any other drug is the same. It is kind of dissapointing, but at the same time I am very happy with my life for the most part, so I do not feel like I am missing out on much. This is not a post to shit on drugs or psychedelics. I just wanted to share my perespective. I think many find them beneficial. I just wonder if anyone else feels the same.

For the last 6 months, I have been working on being more disciplined and organized in my life. I used to be lazy/struggled with responsibilities when I was younger and this year I wanted to become more productive, etc. So here's what I've been dealing with. For about two weeks I will be super disciplined in every area of my life. I will work out the day I am supposed to, eat super healthy, not procrastinate on any of the things I am working on like college, learning Spanish all basic responsibilities, etc. Then the stress/anxiety hits me. It starts with me taking hours to fall asleep, my mind races at night. The next few days I will start questioning the pointlessness of doing anything. Then all I can think about is how I want to do nothing and de-stress for a few days. Then I crash. I get super lazy for a few days where I can't motivate myself to do anything. After a few days of mindless video game playing, eating like shit, and being a low-life, I get sort of depressed and then feel motivated again to pursue all my desires and I start the cycle again. This has been going on all year and I can't understand what is going on. I think I am just really bored with life. I am about to be 20 and want to move out but I can't work more than 30 hours a week because I am in college full time. I want to meet people who have ambitions like me, I am in a venture capital group and I am very ambitious. But, most of the people I meet are not interested in the goals I am. I feel like I can't connect to people because they're not on my level of aspirations. I am very sociable but I don't like a lot of people I meet around here. I live in a suburban area outside of a small city (less than 100k). There are no opportunities around me and I do not really know anyone in big cities either. I don't want to get a girlfriend until I move out, but I need money to do that, and I don't want to dig into my savings/investments. I've been working my ass off the last year and a half on my career/life goals. I have been making good progress but I still feel lonely af and like I am waiting and waiting for shit to change. I wish I could move to a big city, meet new people, get out of my comfort zone, and have support groups to push me, but I literally don't know how to do any of that. I don't feel financially ready to do any of that. I just feel stuck Does anyone have any advice? I have about 30k in investments and a few thousand in cash. I think I can double that by the end of the year but I am tired of waiting around. My environment does not resonate with me, but I don't know how much $$ I should save to move out and I have no idea how to find people who have goals like me.

This is what happens when you try to integrate stage purple/red people into an orange/green society. It just doesn't work. Imagine trying to take a stage orange/green person and trying to integrate them into a yellow/turquoise society LOL

Of course LLM's won't lead to AGI. Most of the best AI models now are multimodal anyways.

I went to a Walmart today in an area 10 years ago that used to be a middle-class suburban area. It used to be clean, well kept, and the people in there were respectable decent citizens. Now it has been overrun with 3rd worlders that are obnoxious, rude, have no manners, are poor, and generally low quality. This pattern is happening everywhere. Sweden used to have one of the lowest crime rates, but I just read there now are several cities which are on an advisory list as do not travel. This is because these stage purple/red migrants are flooding into stage orange/green societies and are taking advantage of the amenities while carrying with them their tribalistic bs. There is a reason 3rd world countries stay under-developed, in poverty, and uneducated. They do not understand western culture, tradition, and social norms. If these foreigners are so great, why don’t they create decent, high-quality societies like we have in the west? It is because they are incapable of doing so. If these migrants are so awesome, why are the cities in Europe falling apart when they are flooded with these people? This is not racist or bigotry. At some point we need to recognize that total inclusion is not good. Most of these people are not able to properly assimilate into our society. Some immigration is good, but not the shit that we are seeing in Europe and the U.S. Do we want our countries to end up like how India, Africa, and South America is? Then the migration crisis that is happening has got to end. These people need to fix their own damn countries before coming to ours and ruining what the west has been building the for the last several centuries. What is the problem with saying France for French people, Ireland for Irish people, Italy for Italian people, and etc? There is a reason why we have different countries and it is because each society carries with it a different set of cultures and ethics that are shared. Why can’t we say America for Americans? Why must we be FORCED to include foreigners, FORCED to allow them into our country, FORCED to let them vote and rule over us, FORCED to accept their culture? Europe is not looking good and America is next. I guarantee if things don’t change in the next 20 years we will see Western countries turn into dumps with skyrocketing crime and poverty rates.

@DefinitelyNotARobot What is it with everyone blaming white people for 3rd world countries problems? Haiti had its revolution over 200 years ago and it's still poor. Ethiopia was never colonized and is still poor. It's time for people to start blaming the countries' citizens for its problems instead of cOlOnIalIsM