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I stand by what I have written and observed. How can I ignore what I observe when I have slept with zero women and other men my age have slept with 300+. Then to make it worse I am the one treated like a toxic, abusive man. How can I not come to the conclusions that I have come to. When I was at university, I wasn't on internet forums, blogs, reddit etc. I did all the things you are supposed to do; join sports and social clubs, party etc. I was meditating every day, working out and asking women out. It all amounted to nothing and I saw all the things I point out there live and in person before I read about them or watched a video. However, I will watch the videos you recommend and I will re-watch the ones you recommended in response to other post I made in the past. I don't care about attracting women anymore, it's clear to me that I was just not mean to be desirable. However, I do want to move forward with my life in other ways and stop focusing on this stuff.

Need to be able to get sex to get a relationship. Relationship qualities don't come into the picture until a woman is sufficiently attracted to you. In 2024 a late millennial/gen z woman in a major city is not choosing a guy because he has relationship qualities. She is having sex with attractive high status men who have unlimited options and hoping that he eventually commits to her.

My observation is that the more destructive and machiavellian you are as a man, the better you do with women. All types of women, in other words; morality, kindness, emotional intelligence etc have almost nothing to do with what will attract a woman to a man. Women hate nice guys so much that they have constructed an elaborate myth that nice guys are the real problem. What they are actually doing is making a post hoc rationalization to justify their repulsion to unattractive, sensitive men. Since woman must always have the moral high ground they have to vilify unattractive men. It is actually a form of dehumanization. High status/fame, physical attractiveness (women contrary to popular belief care more about looks) and aggression. These are the most important things in attracting women. Your inner self and all that other stuff you are sold don't mean anything. It's not about age (see The Tinder Swindler), it's not about upbringing (women from stable backgrounds date drug dealers and murderers too). Women today basically admit all of this without explicitly saying it. There are dating subreddits with millions of users. Everyday women ask some variation of "how can I get my fuckbuddy to commit to me?", "why am I only attracted to assholes?" while most questions from men are just about how to get a date and not be invisible. So who are these toxic men breaking hearts, abusing etc and where is that famous intuition that can read the true character of any man, interestingly doesn't function with a minority of men. There was a band in the uk where the lead singer was convicted and jailed for sexually abusing a minor. What do grown, adult women do? they offer themselves to him to be abused. Wade Wilson murders two women and then receives 4000 letters. A man should be a good, nice man for himself and his own self respect and integrity if he wishes. However, you can't blame men for choosing a more amoral path. Human behaviour and interaction is a game of incentives and there is zero incentive to be a good man when the mask of true female nature is revealed. The thing is I wouldn't want to live in some traditional past where gender relations were supposedly better, it was an artificial blip due to unique socio-economic pressures after the industrial revolution. What we see today is who women have always been.

@Schizophonia Interested to hear more on aura's. I feel it's an underrated aspect of connection between people. How do you read another person's aura and how do you become a aware of your own? Beyond that you seem to have a healthy approach. Can you expound on being fulfilled at the base?

@Keryo Koffa I increasingly think it's the shame that's more draining. The shame of carnal desire, the body and the senses. Why would we have such desires without the right to enjoy them. It's conundrum but the most secure people I know also happen to be very unapologetically sexual. I think No Fap works in very specific conditions and lifestyles.

I find meditation to have a bigger influence on my vibe and energy than no fap. The problem with No Fap is that if you are still young, that sexual energy has to be directed into something either spirituality, art or some sort of social cause. That energy with no specific outlet can make you even more creepy and desperate. Maybe the best way would be to find your passion or purpose while still fapping, then slowly let go of the porn. Just going cold turkey without a sense of direction can I said warp your energy even more.

@BlueOak Already normal in Latin America, Southern Europe and Asia

If women had to spend a day as a man trying to attract women they would jump off a cliff.

Women don't care about your authentic self. It literally has nothing to with sexual attraction. Developing a closer relationship with your essence and inner self is great but will not move the needle in terms of attraction. Watch The Tinder Swindler documentary. Women with their supposedly great intuition could not work out that they were falling in love with a scammer or is it that women are actually just very shallow and love the masks and smoke and mirrors. I am beginning to believe women like to be manipulated, it's all part of some grand story where they are the main character.

Your profile doesn't matter, as long as you are tall, white and have great bone structure. This has been tested where they create a profile for a male model and write a profile full of vile racist things and women still women want to date him, including non white women. All those standards and little details mean nothing if you are not born with the right genes.

I am not sure women are even capable of love. They can love a young child but as adults with everyone who didn't come from their own womb, all I see is raw lust for the most attractive men and ruthless pragmatism in terms of dealing with men that can improve their lives and social standing. Women in the west don't really need men for money or social approval anymore, so that leaves lust, which is why there is an epidemic of fuckboys and players leaving a trail of broken hearts.

You made the mistake of not being born to the right parents and not looking like her celebrity crush. Most women have very specific types, the further away you look from that type the worst reactions you will get. Sometimes you get that look of disapproval without saying anything, just being present can be enough to be given that fuck off look. The only guys who seem to pull off cold approaches consistently are the psychopaths and narcissists. Women claim that this is due to manipulation my observations have lead me to believe that women actively look for psychopaths and narcissists. Women have created a whole narrative about how nice guys are the real bad guys, this due to the need to conceal the uncomfortable truth that they are actively attracted to actually dangerous men. So the problem is your not good looking enough and not enough of a horrible person. I Women often speak of this special intuition they have but if you observe how they behave they either don't possess this intuition and it is a myth or they do have it but are willing to ignore it if a man is attractive and/or high status enough. When you ask questions like this you will be gaslighted and made to feel as if there is something wrong with you but the truth that there is nothing wrong with you. This doesn't negate the benefits of self improvement but understand that in this very moment abusers, murderers, drug dealers, men with multiple children with different women who all know his reputation are having sex. Your internal character is not a factor, the fact you are getting rejected says nothing about your quality as a human being. Society is just not ready to face uncomfortable truths about female nature.

Turquoise women are fucking the fuckboys and players like all the other women. Women's attraction seems to be independent of their psychological/spiritual development.

Marriage is a trap because women usually end up settling for average men they resent. The most attractive men have so many options that they have no incentive to commit to a woman, woman will break all their rules and standards to be with them without the promise of commitment. Eventually women get frustrated and put the need to be in a stable relationship over raw desire. The women resent the man they married and can barely conceal it, the men realize that nothing they do will ever be enough, the goalpost for what it means to be a good partner will always be moved and the result is marriage sucking for everyone. It's better for women to stay single instead of settling and men should stop asking women to lower their standards, you don't want to be in a relationship with a woman who settled for you. Woman are free now and we can see through their actions that a very small number of men are actually attractive to men. For all the complaining about fuckboys and players, women when free to choose naturally create a polygynous society where a few men have all the women.

I've actually lived in Paris before and women there actually hate being approached. There was an issue with street harassment in Paris before covid but since then men do not really approach. Obviously the rules don't apply to tall, attractive men. The only purpose this clip serves, is to show a minority of men won the genetic lottery and basically live in an alternate reality to most men.

None of you have the answers

I have made the same observation. So called conscious, self aware women still chase the same kinds of men.

Interesting

I wonder if we would have Calculus if Isaac Newton had access to porn? Would we have Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel? Beethoven's Late Quartets?.....

@Emotionalmosquito You said exactly what I wanted to say.

"Women can smell childish, entitled attitudes and boring personalities from a mile off, on top of being able to see through a veil of fake confidence" So they have this superpower yet they can't use the same intuition the smell the presence of the abusive, violent, cheating men who they complain about day and night? Are these men not entitled? So either this often touted ability to smell the true nature of man is a myth and does not exist or it curiously only works with men who are not physically attractive or high status enough. It's interesting the most damaging men to women and society always have another woman to hurt. All of this sounds like a myth to justify the vilification of unattractive men. There is no special intuition.

@BlessedLion Being in the womb for 9 months is not an argument for young men to not express their struggles with dating. Seeing women as queens and goddesses helps nobody. Women themselves find that kind of pedestal repulsive. Anything mildly negative or critical of women at the moment is labelled incel ideology. Andrew Tate does not own the copyright to all discussion on gender dynamics. Young men absolutely have the right to share their frustrations, shutting down conversation will only direct men to more extreme corners of the internet. Men like yourself who either never struggled with these types of thing or don't struggle anymore live in a different world. If a man has experienced constant rejection going back to childhood what are you going to say to him? So I guess men who don't have the luck of growing up with love and a healthy support system are just worthless and should just kill themselves? One day if you are in a bad state for one reason or another I wonder how you will respond if someone says to you that you are pathetic. I guess you are psychologically and spiritually perfect.

@Yimpa Do you have anything useful to say, what was the purpose of this nonsense?

There is no correlation between the internal quality of a young man i.e personality, emotional intelligence, kindness etc and how attractive he is to women. Hateful, violent, abusive, amoral men all over the world have sex and relationships everyday. So obviously physical attractiveness and status are the deciding factors to the romantic fortune of men not entitlement or any of the rubbish being spoken about here. The idea that a man is lonely because he is entitled and deep down a horrible person and women can somehow sense it is gaslighting and just makes you sound pathetic. None of you actually care about young men, they are just a tool that makes you better about yourself "look at how evolved and insightful I am"

Weekly finger wagging towards struggling unattractive men. How brave and noble from supposedly high consciousness, self aware people. So fake.