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@Natasha Tori Maru The mainstream has already declared men as trash, stupid, undeveloped and predatory there is no concealing the many faults of men it comes up in every discussion on all platforms. However, the same is not true for women we pretend as if women are bot at fault for anything, we pretend as if women have no agency despite never having as much choice in their relationships as they do now, supposedly possess this incredible intuition but all of that goes of the window when they inevitably end up with the wrong men, emotionally intelligent and great communicators but expect men to be mind readers and don't see the emotional labor it takes to deal with women.

When you have one gender (women) who pretend to be more self aware, intuitive, emotionally intelligent etc than they actually are we can never actually have an honest conversation.

@CARDOZZO What is a PwD woman? I don't find my situation funny, I wish I did but I am just in deep emotional pain. I can try to put on a bit of weight. I have had short hair, long hair, clean shaven face, facial hair but it doesn't seem to matter. I would rate myself a 3 out of 10, I am tall but I am skinny, wear thick glasses and have an ugly face.

@CARDOZZO Thanks for your response. You seem more genuine than others here. 34 is not young anymore. Most women my age are not interested in teaching a 34 year old man, inexperience is not attractive. I have never been attractive and I am only going to get older and uglier. I've been working on myself since I was 14, constantly looking for ways to improve, reading, therapy, meditating, working out etc...........but nobody cares if you are ugly. I can walk and talk but live with permanent chronic pain. I have limited mobility of my right arm and I struggle to put on weight. Many people have bullied from childhood to adulthood, even my parents belittled me, my older brothers laugh at me. I have not experienced anything to contradict what the girl said. I have not forgiven him. He hasn't changed, I avoid him now and don't answer his calls, he is a bully who looks for any opportunity to humiliate me. I am the last born, product of an abusive relationship. The vast majority of people including people on this forum are not tier 2. People think they are tier 2 just because they read about it. The tips you give are good; I already fast, I walk a lot but can't life due to damaged nerves on the right side of my body from my birth injury, I live in London and it has actually been very sunny today hopefully it stays that way for a while, I have been meditating for a while..............I do need therapy my problems are very deep, they won't be solved with just talking. I have already lived parts of my life like a monk or sage. There are very few people who have spent as much time alone as I have without living in a monastery. I don't understand what you mean when you say my issues are not related to women. Many men have all kinds of problems and insecurities but they attract women anyway because they have the looks and status..........My life and how I think would be very different if just one women in my life gave me a chance. I struggle to see a reason to continue going on. I don't really have a reason to live anymore. I think about not existing anymore everyday.

I am 34. I have never been on a date or had a girlfriend. My only kiss happened on a school trip where the girls were playing a game and the loser had to kiss me. I was born with a birth injury and spent my childhood in and out of hospital. Due to my birth injury I am very weak for a grown man and got bullied physically and verbally at school. A girl said I would die a virgin (probably going to be right). My father was an abusive sociopath who had multiple children with multiple women. I still have half siblings I have never met. My older sister died of an auto immune disorder last year. I am tired of being gaslighted and being given advice that doesn't match the reality I have experienced and observed. I receive more vitriol for sharing my views than men who actually harm women. I believe many people on this forum and in spiritual communities in general are arrogant. A lot of you believe you are more evolved and intelligent than you are and communicate from this lofty, self appointed pedestal but I see the same immature attitudes to being challenged that you get in lower stages of development. Most of you are only interested in communication that reinforces you are better than the person you are communicating with. I see this especially with women and men who see themselves as self designated "Good Men" but you are all full of crap. Maybe suicide is the best option, what's the point of persisting in good faith in a reality like this. Maybe it's the best for everyone, one less loser in your way so all you wonderful, perfect, evolved people can share your reality together because that is how life works right........"just be a good person", "respect women", "just be yourself".

I have two older sisters, my mother had 7 sisters and they mostly had girls. I have had no shortage of women in my life, my closest childhood friends are women I grew up with, I work in a female dominated industry. I spend way more time interacting and listening to women than I do with men. The problem with people like you is that you speak with this arrogance and self righteousness as if you have the answers. If you were as insightful as you would like to think you would acknowledge that women are flawed, lustful and imperfect just as men are and observing the truth about relationships does not mean you have been listening to the red pill or manosphere. Basically you are only willing to engage in conversations that preserve the myth that are flawless, intuitive, perfect, goddesses.

You are right in your observations but I feel like it's too late for me, life isn't fair and not all problems have solutions. There isn't someone for everyone and you forgot another option..........jumping off a bridge.

The reason why The Red Pill emerged in the first place is because young men listened to what mainstream society and women said observed reality and realized it was 99.999% garbage. Young men are refusing to be gaslighted. I am liberal politically, I don't care about muscles, building status, young women, cars, money etc........I care about figuring out what is true and embracing that reality and the truth is that women do not care about the things that they claim to care about. You don't want kind, safe, honest, emotionally available men. You are just as sexual and lustful as men, you care about looks just as much as men if not more and women are even more violent than people think. Even the very best of you are not incredible, intuitive, evolved, emotionally intelligent goddesses you all think you, not even close. Ask yourself this question, do women even deserve good men? I increasingly think you don't.

Here you come again always responding to me with this self righteousness as if you know better because you are a woman, you don't. I laugh at you too, so we are even. The only thing I care about is the truth not what makes me feel good or gets me sex, what is good for men or women, or society. The truth. I talk to women way more than I talk to men, I listen to women, I observe the vast gap between what women say and what they do and I make my observations and I stand by them.

The only choice is to completely avoid women or as you said become a Chad. Women don't deserve good, kind, selfless, emotionally available men.

Society is not worth holding together. The truth is more important. Sorry, I don't mean to be personal but that is a pathetic point. I can't take you seriously if this is how you think. Blue Pill thinking was a paradigm for centuries but there is a reason why it is falling apart because when women are free they expose their true nature and that true nature is incompatible with the building of families, community and nations. Unlike Red Pillers I don't believe the solution is to turn back the clock and force women back into traditional rules, instead we should embrace the chaos; single motherhood, high std rates, less marriages, more crime........This is who we are as a species. Your point of view makes me sick. If a politician in my country said what you said during an election campaign I would throw eggs at him.

Women care about looks more than men. Stop repeating lies that are contradicted by reality. Men are the ones actually more accepting of flaws. Women are picky about everything apart from character and personality.

I do not like the manosphere or the Tate Brothers. You can observe the harsh truths about women without being a part of the manosphere. Women actually expose themselves the more they talk, you don't need a silly podcast to show you the reality of female nature.

@Jannes You are so predictable. All of this attention on incels when studies actually show incels are disproportionately liberal and less likely to actually harm someone. Just lazy responses.

Red Pill/Manosphere do not own the conversation on dating and female nature. I come to my own conclusions through studies, listening to what women say and obsrerving what women actually do and who they choose. I spend way more time around women than men, I talk to women more and the idea that women just want kind, mature, honest men is laughable. A 6'6 hot guy could create a dating profile where he is openly racist and misogynistic and women will flock to him. I live in a major city and regular women in my neighbourhood are having orgies with athletes. The athletes book an entire hotel, send messages to hundreds of random women and the fuck the shit out of them. Those same women will talk about want a man who just treat them well, it's all crap.

The popular belief which you repeated is that men care about looks and women care about character. It is a huge myth that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. There is no such thing as a good low key women who just wants a nice man. If a woman is attractive enough to get the attention of a hot or well known man and there is an opportunity for something to happen they will take it. The quiet girl in the library or stage green spirittual chick will have sex with an athlete in the toilet if the opportunity presents itself. Women are not these innocent, intuitive, evolved, goddesses.

Deluded posts here already. Women are pickier on every level. Contrary to popular belief women care about looks more than men and absolutely do not prioritize character that is laughable. Women are the ones who overlook the vast majority of men. Every woman regardless of age, race, size, background, style etc is someone's type the same is not true for men. Many men are attractive to nobody. Almost every women will have some sort of love life, have sex, go on dates etc while some men will end up with hundreds or even thousands of women while some men cannot even get a date. This dishonesty about the reality of female attraction is just pathetic and it is the reason why the manosphere and looksmaxxing have become so influential. Young men listen to all these lies about how women care about personality and character yet observe the most toxic, sociopathic, abusive, emotionally immature men attracting women. These are not the guys struggling but this need to conceal the truth about women and preserve this myth that women are somehow deeper and more evolved than men is so strong that society is willing to gaslight young men.

There are also studies that show that a vast gap between what women say and who they choose. They select for looks just as much as men if not more. I think OP is a sad attempt at changing a narrative that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. I don't know why it is uncomfortable for people to admit that women care about looks and status and will overlook red flags, character flaws to become involved with their type. It says more about you OP.

I would be interested in hearing more about this. Elaborate if you can.

The women in these places are fucking the same hot, narcissistic guys all the other women want.

Of course it's worth it, women care about looks just as much if not more than men. All red flags and standards go out of the window for hot guys. You can be a toxic, narcissistic, emotionally unavailable Nazi and will still love you if you are hot. Looksmaxxing is trending precisely because men have observed what women actually respond to instead of just listening to what women claim to like.

He's slept with over 200 women. It works regardless of what you think of him. The same women who clown him will bend over for him behind closed doors. The reason looksmaxxing has become mainstream is because young men have observed and listened to what mainstream society and women have had to say about attracting women and have realized they are being gaslighted. Kindness, personality, safety, emotional intelligence etc......all the things that women claim matter do not actually attract women and this is why we are here.

Men today should let go of the need to become a "good man" because the truth is that there is no such thing. The goalpost will always be conveniently moved, the point is to vilify men regardless of what we do. The older I get the more I respect the point of view of The Joker in Batman........This world is a clown show, the morality we are raised to value is fake and maybe society does not deserve good men.

I have read that article. Gooning is the natural outcome of algorithm's and many men accepting they have close to zero chance with women.

I would say men like you are the manipulative one's OP. Men like yourself who moralize the natural instinct of wanting to get better at attracting women are far more dangerous and toxic than the pick up artists. YOU ARE THE NAZI. The funny thing is guys like you come up with self righteous crap and it often turns you are the toxic one. Pick up is outdated anyway, you probably know that but your intention is not to share any real insight but to give yourself a pat on the back as one of the "good guys"..........Who's a good boy, want a cookie?