
Orange
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Thanks Ayla for the reply, sorry I'm trying hard to understand, but I'm not on the same level of understanding as you are I suppose so I still have a question Why is it impossible? It is out there because I got interested in that subject and started researching. Does it mean that everyone who researches this has a psychopath energy inside? I'll check the video out , thanks
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Yes I have behaved like one before. But is it disease really? Because the majority of people is not psychopathic it's a disease to be that way? Who says so? It's an arbitrary jugement no? Why does everyone need to be empathetic to be a healthy human? Again, I think I have lost all my values so I don't know what to think anymore, I've always been told as a child that killing is bad etc but that's only bad from a majority of people's perspective but it's still an arbitrary jugement. If I lived in a psychopathic society where they would be in the majority maybe they would say that killing and torturing is good and should be rewarded because it is fun. Who is right? And yes I watched earthlings. And I'm trying to understand your example, so I hope I'm not interpreting it wrong but what you mean is: we are conditioned in a certain way (by family, society) to accept that certain forms of cruelty are 'normal'? And so they must be removed out of the context of 'family and society stories' in order to heal them? In other words; reject those false stories we were fed with and find another story that will not 'normalise' cruelty anymore? Eg. 1) Society/family story: the meat industry kills the cows and that's how it should be because we need to eat hamburgers >> this story normalises killing in the slaughterhouses 2) Story that does not normalise cruelty anymore: the meat industry kills the cows and as I have seen in earthlings and other videos the cows are dying in intense pain and its contributing to global warming Healing occurs when you have recognised that the story 1) is the story that is keeping you in the 'I am contributing to cruelty' seat without feeling guilty because family and society tell you that this is normal and how things are. And then you heal because you replace it with story 2) ? The story that is not influenced by family/society/culture, the story that recognises that there is indeed cruelty and no humanity in the current meat industry, circus industry etc. Or maybe I interpreted everything wrong but that's how I understood your sentences when you wrote them.. OK, I don't understand what you want to make me understand here...that in the present, whatever you do, nothing is wrong? Even is its raping a child? Yes I'm trying to, meditation is one way but is there anything else you recommend? Ayla maybe I'm nagging you with all these questions (still open to anyone else btw) and you might get bored of it which I'd understand too, but, I guess if you don't want to reply you won't do it and it's cool. I'm just a lost soul testing my luck trying to find my way again..
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What about psychopaths? They don't have the biological capacity to feel empathy and therefore help anyone Helping is not their life force, it doesn't produce a reward loop in their brain Why not though? I'm playing devils advocate but why is cruelty and evil not a life force? Being self aware and evil are not exclusive to each other. I also don't understand what the past and future come to do here. But for some people the demons are their angels, some people are proud to have those demons for eg. One guy on the Internet was proud to start making a business out of child pornography/abuse and had the ambition to build an empire out of it. So I don't know what are demons anyway because everything we have in ourselves is just there and what mainstream society considers demons is for others not demons at all. It's a label. Why are their demons wrong after all? Their brain has reward when they torture a child/animal/person because their brain is built that way. Fortunately or unfortunately (for them) they live in a society that doesn't really like this behavior from them, and if I had a brain wired differently I could be that evil person as well. And I wouldn't understand why I end up locked up if all I'm doing is being true to myself and letting the life force live through me and my actions. . But I was born with a brain who gets the reward from respect and empathy but I didn't chose this. So again, what is my right to go out and defend those who cannot defend themselves if by doing so, I take away a psychopath's pleasure and ability to live true to their nature? Well I hope it is clear to understand, I'm trying to get you in my thread of thoughts
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This is adressed to empaths and psychopaths-narcissics alike (and everyone in between); How can you survive as an empath in a highly individualistic -psychopathic society? I would like to do work in an altruistic manner and help every breathing living being not because I need an ego boost but because that is what my brain is wired to do and likes. I still have a hard time accepting suffering, especially on those who cannot defend themselves. But how can I survive psychologicaly in this society? Am i weak for having emotions? The big rewards are all given to those who are very selfish and own the corporations and the power. If you are empathetic from my experience is you are taken advantage of and crushed by those who have less empathy or none at all. Should I become psychopath-narcissic myself to avoid this?
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OK..I'll contemplate this Thank you Mal, and goodnight! Have nice dreams
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Sorry Mal, to go on with questions but what does this phrase mean exactly?
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How do you do that?
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I feel really helpless today, I hate this world, I wish I was never born here
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I sense where you are leading me Mal, I think i know where you want to take me but I cannot physically feel and experience in my body what was before that little voice..its really hard..
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Yes I did think about your question and my answer was: the thing that has never changed is that I always have a little voice in my head. But I don't think this is what you want me to answer right? ...
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Haha yes, it is. And no dont feel guilty Mal..I was disoriented before already but ill take a break. I was too impatient probably Thanks for you help, I appreciate it.
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Ok..
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Yes, it was very different. And the constant is I believe...being in my head. That is all I can say with certainty. The thoughts have changed definitely. But the little voice that everyone has, that is the constant.
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I don't know which values to follow anymore, I watched Leo's video on morality hoping to find a solution but it confuses me even more..If I have no values, I cannot be confident in anything I do because I don't know if it's right and anyone can blow my actions off by criticising them and I'll reply : " yes, maybe you are right also. .because nothing is wrong..because "oneness"!!!!" what the fuck. I feel like in a desert in my mind. There is no direction, just running in circles.
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Oh god I swear I never knew this world was going to be so complicated, I miss the days when as a kid you only needed to know that an apple is an apple and that's that. Then you just take a nap and life is good. Now its so strange..I don't think I can put it into words but this world is so strange
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But here everyone is borrowing everyone's ideas no? Even by taking charlies advice I am borrowing something he (?) learned in his life by borrowing it from someone else..or where did this oneness theory come from?
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I see..so maybe no one exists but you in this world...I have thought about this, maybe I am all alone in this world and everything is my imagination. I am saying this because it goes along the same lines as you say with "I own that trait which I don't like in that person, it is part of my psyche" just like I am saying "everything I see and feel is stemming from my body and brain, I own this, so maybe it is not even present outside of me" ..we're getting in another direction of the discussion with this but it's fucking up my brain to think this..
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In here the creator of the created identity is the non physical?
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@jes yes of course, I'm just trying to understand what you have understood. It's not entirely clear for me but ill go with this information already. Thank you for the info!
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@charlie2dogs thank you Charlie!
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Thanks Jes but here you mean you try to go in their mind and see life from their perspective? Thinking like the other person thinks? What is the devil?
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@charlie2dogs no its fine, I didn't take anything as an offence, I'm just very confused at the moment and I have very few reference points to hold onto in my life, they are all coming down. I don't know what is the right thing to do and although your answers provide me some insight, I feel I am not wise enough to understand them so I'm still confused with broad statements.
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Remember that the past is fiction. It does not exist anymore, so what happens in the future could be that outcome just like it could very well be another outcome. And when you meditate, focus on your breath. If the thought comes, OK. Then back on the breath. The thought comes again, fine....now back on the breath and so forth...
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nature isnt cruel at all, and nature does care, you are just not experiencing it in its natural way. @charlie2dogsI don't understand this..because when I see nature I don't see any feelings in it. A zebra can be eaten alive by lions and suffer for long minutes before its brain and heart shut down, or there are parasitic worms that eat animals from the inside out and in the meantime the animal infested will suffer for a long time before it dies. How is nature caring? We as human species, are living behind glass doors and sitting in pillows because we put ourselves in this place, this is the only reason. However it does not prevent drama cases once in a while with ted bundy kind of people. So how is nature caring? Also, not all abuse and cruelty come from people who are in pain, some people simply enjoy it for what it is because their brain is wired that way. They get the good feeling from torture and sadism. So would I be right to promote the respect of all living beings to these people and everyone else? What if they are right instead? Of course our society is opposed to criminal behavior (in general, because when it comes to war society rewards criminal behavior and they wrap it in notions like: "saving democracy", "protecting our children and country" etc) So in general criminality is frowned upon. But that is a social construct, how do I know that the path I am taking (ie. Being empathetic) is the right way? Why keep the emotions when they hurt so much? Isn't it more advantageous to be a psychopath?
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@charlie2dogs thanks for you reply, i appreciate, although I am wondering: - how can I help someone who cannot process empathy because their amygdala (seat of emotions) are reduced ? They simply cannot change because that is how they are biologically constructed..of course there are those whose life circumstances made them asocial (abuse etc) but the ones who are born with reduced amygdala cannot grow new ones and suddenly become more empathetic - am I right to want to change someone to become more empathetic? Is it right to want respect for all the living beings (animals, humans, plants) ? Because nature itself is very cruel, she doesn't care. Again, are emotions not a weakness ? I really don't know - and how can I maintain emotional stability when I will be in front of cruelty and abuse?