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I have to make a correction. I had another trip on 4-AcO-DMT on Thursday and I didn't move at all during the come up phase—unlike in my past trips, where I changed location a bit— and this time, I didn't experience any nausea or physical discomfort. I therefore think that avoiding movement on all psychedelics until the trip sets in is as important for me as being on an empty stomach, and I believe that other psychonauts could benefit from this. For some reason, moving too soon is extremely nauseating, though I've never suffered from any other kind of motion sickness before, so I'm not particularly sensitive. This feeling is unique to psychedelics.

From my recent experience, I discovered two tips, which are not discussed a lot, but that can reduce nausea considerably. They're very simple, yet very effective. Tip n°1: Make sure you don't have air in your stomach I learned this on 4-AcO-DMT. The come up on this substance is quite long compared to other psychedelics and I usually experience some discomfort. What I've found helps the most has been to force myself to burp before plugging and some time afterwards (5-10+ minutes after, before the effects get strong). It really helps the come up feel smoother. For me, what works best is to sit up and move my upper body from left to right until I can release any trapped air. Even if I don't feel like there is any, there always is some, and it needs to be released to reduce nausea. Tip n° 2: Don't move I learned this one this week. It makes a HUGE difference. I learned it on 5-MeO-MALT. I had done a few trips on MALT and 5-MeO prior to that one. I often (or always) experience some discomfort during the come up phase, but nowhere near feeling like actually throwing up. Though on Monday, I plugged 17 mg of MALT and stood up to remove a picture from my view shortly after. I had never done such a thing before on these substances. Here, I had gained some confidence from never really feeling sick, and from tripping on 4-AcO-DMT and 5-MeO-MiPT, where moving around a bit actually is needed for me to reduce the discomfort. But, on MALT, and likely on 5-MeO-DMT, it's very different. Moving just this little bit made me feel really sick. I'm absolutely certain I would have thrown up if my stomach wasn't fully empty. I basically threw up in emptiness, that's how strong it was. I did some research after that to understand what had happened and how to reduce the nausea next time. I read about ginger, but I never really needed it and I don't have any at home. It was not a satisfying solution for me. I also read on the forum that some users build up some 'habit', as if their body weren't getting as sick after a while. I thought that it might be what was happening to me, as I had not tripped on MALT for a few months. However, it was still curious to me that I did not get any of that on my very first trips on 5-MeO and on MALT. So I asked chatGPT for some help, and the last tip it gave me was to : « Avoid Rapid Changes in Position: Sudden movements can trigger nausea, so try to stay still and lie down if needed ». That was my aha moment. That's what happened to me. It was basically a form of motion sickness. The two following trips (yesterday and today), I focused on relaxing fully and on not moving at all, not even my arms, my legs or my fingers, for the first 5-10 minutes—pretty much, until the trip really kicks in. And it made such a huge difference. I did feel some discomfort, but the normal kind of discomfort I feel when my consciousness is shifting. I could notice that just some movement was making me feel more sick, while staying completely still reduced any discomfort. So my advice is: stay still, don't lie down completely at first, and always make sure your stomach is empty of air before taking a substance.

It's a very difficult question. I think no one can really help you answer it. There are too many variables and things that can happen in your life. Though, how often are you currently tripping right now? I think it's a good place to start. It's very likely that there will be periods where you will take breaks from tripping, or where you'll take breaks from MALT to use other psychedelics. I think what's most important is to think from your own past experience rather than from someone else's. There is value in that, but whatever answer people give you, you are still unique and your tripping style and motivations are too. So how has your past experience been in terms of breaks, days of tripping a month/week, times of using MALT vs other psychedelics?

I agree with @OBEler. You pretty much have to test out different psychedelics to know which ones will suit you best, just like neurotypical people have to do too. Just start low to limit the risk of scaring yourself. From my experience, a bad trip usually doesn't happen because of the substance itself, but from my own headspace. So it could be any substance. Sometimes it just go bad right from the start, while I was in a good mood otherwise, or I can have great trips on days I was not feeling great. So I think what's most important is to be ready to accept an uncomfortable experience—just in case it happens—rather than searching for the perfect substance—which likely doesn't exist. If you feel that you can accept that possibility, you will likely be okay. This acceptation also reduces the likelyhood of bad trips, as you don't go in with fear and anxiety of something bad happening, but you go in opened to whatever will unfold. It's important not to force a trip too much to go into a desired direction. It's better to welcome the experience that is taking place, especially at first when you're not yet experienced with psychedelics. What is your motivation for tripping?

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I mentioned it in my post.

These are actual tips. If you can't understand what I shared, that's fine.

How about motor functions? How much control and understanding over your body and environment did you still have on the doses you've tried? Were you still able to change your position for exemple? Awesome! Hope it was an insightful and positive experience.

Could it be like 5-MeO or MALT, or even mushrooms, where low doses tend to be more challening than higher ones? I guess you can't know that yet, but since you're talking about the doses, it made me think of how this tends to be for other psychedelics. Maybe you'll tell us at some point if you go higher. I'm really wondering how a light trips differs from a heavy trip on this substance, but I'll be patient before finding out. You make it sound quite bad though a lot of the time But I know it's for good reason. I guess we just can't know before we try. The visuals in these pictures are amazing. I'd love to experience this.

Lol sorry, I got it all wrong. I've started reading all your comments on Salvia. Are you tripping by yourself, or do you have a sitter nearby? Isn't it dangerous to take it alone? I'm not ready yet to take Salvia as I have other psychedelics to try first and I need more experience, but at some point I will. However, it puts me off a bit if I need a sitter for this substance. I guess it takes many trips to fully understand one substance. Do you still feel like going deeper after your last two trips?

@Davino Have you tripped on salvia and tried the salvia tincture? I don't know if you talked about your experience with it somewhere. If you have, I must have missed it, but I'm interested to know. You seem to say that you haven't tried the substance yet, but that you understand it very well. That's a bit confusing for me.

I watched the video, but Deepak Chopra doesn't have any more authority than you for me, so it's irrelevant. He's not making any better points. He even makes it worse comparing human beings to microorganisms and such. Of course I agree with that.

@Ignas I don't know if bufo poisons you. I never heard Leo say that either. From all I remember, he says it's gross and that synthetic is better. Why not try the synthetic version, when you feel ready, to compare them for yourself? Then you might know if what you experienced was caused from the version you tried or from the substance itself.

I'm not sure if it's the same than I'm describing. I've never tried ketamine so it's hard to tell, and I've never got any discomfort after a trip, it always happens during the come up phase if I have any. Maybe it had some influence indeed. Stress and difficult emotions aren't helpful. That's great!

Leo recomends the synthetic form. He stated it a few times, like here: Or here:

You did… you said that people think you look 20 years younger than your age, and then you told everyone reading to look at your pictures and know that it's possible for them too. Anyone and everyone could be reading . It's not right to make such a statement, especially if you also agree that it isn’t possible for everyone I don't think many people think that. I haven't done research, but it's likely, at most, a very small minority of people who would think such a thing. However, it is still a fact that the body and mind change from 15 to 30 years old. So young people are not wrong when they feel older than they were—they actually are. But that doesn't mean that feeling older, when you're still that young, means feeling like an average 60-year-old. It just means that people have changed from how they used to be. I definitely have changed over the last 10 years. I'm not at all the 18-year-old I was anymore. I'm not old, but I'm older still. My physical appearance has changed and my mind has too (both for the better). I'm very different from who I was then, though l don't consider myself old. I think you make an unnecessary generalization about young people's mindset towards aging.

I wonder if anyone else has had that realization about motion sickness. It was really a surprise. I had never read about this before. Have you tried tripping with a clean diet 72h, 48h, 24h prior, and without any change to your diet prior? Which psychedelics have you tripped on? Have you compared the results with different ones? I don't plan to change my diet each time before tripping, especially if I trip each week, but I'm curious to know more about your experience and results doing that. Sure. But if it can be reduced, you can embrace that too.

I said it's one example, and from my point of view, it comes from aging and genetics. A child generally doesn't have a receding hairline. It's a feature which usually makes someone look older, especially when it starts early in life—reason why I used that example in particular. It can be fixed, but only if it's not too bad. I don't have it personally. But it's a point I made to say that not everyone can look 20 years younger than their age, even with a lot of effort. I don't think it's all about genes, but there are limits that come from genes. That's all I'm saying. I don't disregard good self care, healthy diet, mindset, and so on. I know those things can make a huge difference. I haven't said that. I don't feel like I'm becoming old yet. I look like a teenager more than an adult. My body feels young too. I feel older than my age in terms of maturity. Not everyone needs to feel younger than their age to be or feel healthy. But from my experience, the fact that I look young is due from my genetics only. I don't do anything specific to be this way (no specific diet, detoxes, supplements or even mindset—I'm just me). I couldn't look older if I wanted to. But despite that, I agree that self care can help some or many people look and feel younger. I respond because I disagree that everyone can look like a 30 years old at 50. There are far too many factors in play to declare such a thing.

I'm 28 and people think I look 18. Don't know if it's something to be happy about. I feel much older at heart From reading you, I feel like you still underestimate the genetic aspects of aging. For example, I don't think any amount of good diet or holistic healing could prevent a receading hairline to happen for a man if it is in their genes. The fact that it is possible for you to look younger than your age doesn't mean it is possible for everyone (granting a similar self-care routine).

I'm finally back to give some updates on my experience with psychedelics. I haven't done so lately because I didn't have enough time to write trip reports and I needed to focus on myself, not on sharing my experience. I also realized that sharing a report for every trip was too difficult. One reason is that a trip can look a lot like another one, especially when described in words. Another reason is that the insights I have in some trips I don't feel comfortable sharing, and it would distill the trips too much to omit them. So I will only share my experience when it feels right to do so. I still want to keep a psychedelic journal format and write down each trip I have, even if it's just making a note of the date and the substance. So here is the list of the last trips I had: Trip 18: 4-AcO-DMT 20 mg, 03.25.24 (insufflated) Trip 19: 4-AcO-DMT 30 mg, 04.04.24 (oral) Trip 20: 5-MeO-MiPT 15 mg, 06.19.24 Trip 21: 5-MeO-MALT 20 mg, 06.24.24 Trip 22: 5-MeO-MiPT 15 mg, 07.09.24 Notes written on the 30th of September 2024: To share my overall thoughts on the new psychedelics, I had extremely beautiful trips on 5-MeO-MiPT. I absolutely love this substance. It feels so right for me. I love the duration—which is longer than 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-MALT, the visuals, the introspective state it brings me in (I had so many deep realizations on it) and the pure Love Consciousness it creates. It's mind-blowing. It made me realize that I AM LOVE. The words playing in my mind on this substance were not I Am God, but I Am Love. It was so deep and beautiful. It has helped me a lot to start loving myself too. I even had a taste of an Alien Form Of Love. My experiences on 4-AcO-DMT were not as good. The first trip was too light—because I didn't take the substance properly, I think - and the second one started out well but ended up badly as I read a message during the come down which I didn't understand like I would have fully sober. Reading a message was a mistake that won't happen again. But overall, I felt disappointed because I had wished 4-AcO-DMT would have been more similar to magic truffles than it actually was in my first trips. But I definitely have to try it again, in better circumstances, to make myself a proper opinion of it. I will also try the plugging method to experience its purest form. Notes of today: Here is the list of the psychedelics I've taken this month: Trip 23: 4-AcO-DMT 20 mg, 10.03.24 Trip 24: 4-AcO-DMT 15 mg, 10.16.24 Trip 25: 4-AcO-DMT 15 mg, 10.21.24 Trip 26: 5-MeO-MALT 17 mg, 10.28.24 Trip 27: 5-MeO-MALT 15 mg, 10.30.24 Trip 28: 5-MeO-MALT 20 mg, 10.31.24 4-AcO-DMT First thing worth noting: I absolutely love 4-AcO-DMT. It's not exactly the same as magic truffles, but it's similar enough to really enjoy it. Psilocybin has been one of my favorite psychedelics, and I'm really happy to now have this substance, which is far easier to ingest. I really love everything about it so far, but I still haven't tripped enough to have a full grasp of it. I consider writing a detailed trip report at some point. But some little notes I have about it so far is that: It is sedating It makes my nose itchy Tears fall down my eyes for no real reason I get pain in the heart area on higher dosages I get full body orgasms The visuals are very intense, especially on higher dosages There is a serious taste of weirdness in these trips, but that is what I love most, and that comes with very deep realizations. It also makes my mind very still at times, which is a greatly welcomed break from my daily non-stop thinking life. My last trip was weaker than expected, which I think comes from the fact that I didn't wait long enough between the trips. I plan to trip on 15 mg again just to test again that dosage. Then I will raise the dose. I learned that having trips at lower dosages contributes to understanding and going deeper within one substance. I tend to desire to take more in order to get more, but it is not necessarily how it works. Going lower helps build foundations. It is easier for me to accept that now that I have many more opportunities to trip than I had when I started this thread. I was living with my mother and my grandmother, which I was taking care of everyday. I'm extremely sad that she is gone, but I can now do the things I couldn't do before. I am more sad, but more free. 5-MeO-MALT I did the same, starting from lower, after a long break with it. It was especially good as I had terrible nausea on it for the first time ever (more about that here). I went even lower on the next trip, and then went back higher. It really helped me get more clarity on the substance, though it's not as mind-blowing as a full dose. I understand this substance a bit differently and better now and I'm ready to go deeper. First of all, it's completely different from 4-AcO-DMT. I had forgotten how different it was. I don't like it as much, but it is very direct and pure to grasp what consciousness is. For that kind of work, it is great, but I need many more trips on it. What's funny is that this psychedelic makes my all body vibrate, especially my arms and hands. I can literally see them tremble. When I stood up today to close the curtains, my arms were difficult to move, as if they were somewhat paralysed. It was weird, but not a big of a deal I think. When I am lying down, the vibrations are what's most impressive. I was listening to the music @Jodistrict shared here and it was so perfect. I felt extremely good in my body, as if the music was massaging my brain and giving me mind orgasms. One realization I had on today's trip was that one of the deepest forms of corruption one can fall into was not being true to oneself. To me, it can manifests as to not fully being who I am (it can be very subtle) in order to please others or to get approval. I've fallen into this trap quite a lot. I sacrifice my true self in order to protect my lower self, my ego. Doing that doesn't help me grow. It is something I am becoming more and more conscious of. I need to let my higher self come to the forefront. I am not chasing money, sex or fame in my daily life, but I am chasing love, recognition, and approval. It all comes from ego and corrupts me all as much. Trip Preparation And After Care This last month, I've been developing my own routine to start a trip. It is very simple. I basically wake up at 7:30 AM, put on some comfortable clothes, go to the bathroom, prepare the syringe, and add more pillow on my bed. Then I find a comfortable position, plug the substance (often around 8 AM), and sit still until the trip has completely started. On 4-AcO-DMT, I like to sit in front on my window during the come up. I look at the trees. It's a very beautiful view. I now start my trips with the curtains open and the light on, but I still like when it is completely dark at times. When the trip is over, I eat and drink a lot. I get extremely thirsty all day. Then I take care of my dogs and take some rest (30-60 minutes) before starting the day. I've been working a lot in the house lately. I'm far more productive now. I still don't know how to improve my after care routine. I feel like something is missing. Well-Being And Purpose I'm feeling much better in myself and in my life now that I have opportunities to trip weekly. Psychedelics, exploring and working towards understanding consciousness, is really a need for me. It is a purpose, and following through on this purpose makes me incredibly happy. It feels so good to finally be able to move forward. I feel much more grounded, present, and centered. The road towards full understanding is long, but my well-being has already considerably improved in just a month of tripping.

Thank you for sharing. It's amazing. Here is what I sometimes listen to while tripping. It's a hour long 432 Hz music. It is very calming, but maybe a bit too sad at times. What you shared is great.

I'm not American and I don't study politics, but I just came across this text on Facebook from someone I met when I lived in the US. I just wanted to share it because I am shocked. I can't believe how people can be so ignorant and blind. I feel like no amount of talking could take them out of their wrong view. Here is the text: « Someone recently asked me why I like Trump. My answer was that I don't really like a lot of things about Trump. But this election is not about choosing the most likeable person. We are voting between two vastly different ideologies. We are voting for the country we want to leave our children and grandchildren. Trump represents that future and has proven that he can deliver. He is a patriot to the core and even served his country for 4 years without pay. That moment when someone says, "I can't believe you're voting for Trump". I simply reply, “I'm NOT voting for Trump.” I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech. I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored. I’m voting for secure borders and LEGAL immigration. I am voting for election integrity to include mandatory voter ID. (Why would anyone vote against this?) I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family. I'm voting for the police to be respected once again. I am voting for law & order and an end to allowing protesters to trespass and burn our cities, destroying innocent small business. (Tim Walz) I am voting for personal responsibility and the end of the revolving door where criminals are being put back on the street. (Kamala Harris) I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts. I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live. I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I’m voting for keeping our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over the world - to China, Mexico and other foreign countries. I am voting for doing away with all of the freebies given to all of the illegals and not looking after the needs of the American citizens and homeless veterans. I'm voting for the military & the veterans who fought for this country I'm voting to keep men out of women's sports. I’m voting for peace progress in the Middle East. I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking. I'm voting for Freedom of Religion. I am voting for the return of teaching math, history, and science instead of the indoctrination of our children. I'm not just voting for one person. I'm voting for the future of my Country. I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms America is the greatest country in the world, hense why everyone wants to immigrate here. So why do you want to change it? Why do politicians want to enact policies that have failed in other countries throughout history? I’m voting for Trump. I'm voting for America. Copied and pasted keep it going »

Yes, in Spiral Dynamics, you're supposed to transcend and include each stage, which basically means embodying the positive and healthy parts of each. Starting from Tier 2, you can easily see the whole spiral and understand why people act the way they do from the stage(s) they are at. Personally, I am not baffled, I'm astonished. I understand that people are at different stages of cognitive development, which both limits their understanding of reality and shapes their aspirations and actions. I also know that it's not something one can evolve past easily. But I'm astonished at people in general—even if I can understand them from a historical and psychological standpoint—because people's judgment and thinking mistakes are sometimes enormous. So it seems surreal to me that it's even possible. Honestly, I haven't found a solution yet to stop being so surprised by the world. I'm not a "self-assured and self-righteous" person. I actually question everything a lot, including myself and my thinking. So I know I can always be wrong about something and that I have to be ready to admit it if someone (or life) points it out to me. But I know that it is right and best to question the world deeply and be ready to admit one's mistakes if they appear, for the general advancement of the world. Yet, it is hard for me to comprehend that other people's psyches don't work the same way as mine. I don't understand why the world is not inherently interested in metaphysical topics or in working to embody the highest values, such as integrity, honesty, understanding, respect, metaphysical love, etc. I do understand that it just is this way, but this is the mystery that confuses my mind the most. It feels as if I jumped straight to Tier 2. I spent some time studying Orange (taking action, working towards goals) and Green (saving animals and the planet) when I was young, but that was because I hadn't stumbled upon higher kinds of material. It still required a lot of effort to let go of the Green ideology I had bought into - the main point for me being that the world should go vegan and work towards reducing animal suffering, as I was extremely sensitive to it. I turned vegan at age 13 and started defending this worldview, despite my introverted nature. But still, as time went on, the realization that something didn't feel completely right about it grew stronger and stronger. The vegan community and the kind of speech they held was off for me. I didn't understand why they were not more mature, as vegans. Now I can see that the problem in this community was to be found in the manifestation of Green and its excesses. Most vegans don't think in a holistic manner. They haven't reached stage Yellow and beyond yet, while it was already in me. But I didn't know that at the time, so I was confused, and there was virtually no Tier 2 people around me I could have looked up to as examples. I don't know if it gets clearer for you with those explanations. I'm not just astounded by the way others function, I'm also astounded by the way I function. Basically, what I don't understand is why things are the way they are. You could say it's due to genetics or that it is just human nature or Reality, but why are our genetics this way, and why is human nature this way? Most of the world is not interested in understanding Reality (God), or in learning to embody the kind of values I listed above. And that is frustrating for me, because the world would likely be a better place if most people on the planet had moved past Tier 1. So I'm feeling both astonishment and a bit of frustration, because I deeply wished people on the planet were more advanced as a whole. Still, I mostly accept things as they are… but a part of me wished things were a bit different, which may be what I expressed in an unskillful manner in the opening of this thread. It comes from the limitations of my own current understanding or acceptance of Reality at large. So I think that I have to learn to deeply center myself and calm my mind down to ease those feelings and transform them into something more mature. Maybe there is some self-assuredness in me, which you might be right about, but it comes from hours of contemplation and introspection. It took me years to figure out what was right and what wasn't for me (and I'm still not done). I don't blindly follow beliefs or ideas like we see many people do. I question very deeply, and only then do I secure in myself the ideas that I feel are right. But I never stop questioning, and there are many domains in which I don't have a deep enough knowledge about to reach full understanding. This is a work forever in progress. Do those explanations help?

Thanks, it's very well expressed.

Correct, but that makes the text—and this kind of thinking—even more sneaky and deceptive. It makes it sound as if it were rational and good to vote for Trump, even for people who don't like him. To me, it is shocking that some people can rationalize their vote in this way, putting aside all of his flaws. They fail to reflect on the reasons why they dislike him in the first place, pretending it's not that important, when in fact it is extremely important. It is not possible to separate Trump from Trump, yet they speak as if they could. It's such a deep issue, and it’s scary to read that from people you know.