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Is not about the substance. People reached enlightenment or awakening with different kinds of substances. And a lot of people reached it sober. Either way, after a few weeks I now understand what happened. I saw the tail of the bull (10 ox herding pictures). When I read the descriptions (and Leo's video about his first sober enlightenment experience in a retreat), is clear.

There is no better or worse. Those books are for applying them in real life. So, whichever serves you best for this moment is the best book. Back in the day, 48 laws of power blew my mind. Now, meh, is just a cool book. So depends a lot on your level of development.

There is a reason why is not on his list. 7 habits is way more practical and applicable. (even if you only read the first 3 habits) But you don't have to choose. Re-read them 10 times each (1 time per year) applying different techniques. Focus on 1-2 chapters each time. I read it for the first time10 years ago, and still take value from it.

Yep, I know Peter & Ken, I bought his booklist. I was referring to the 'classic' ones (Aristotle, Nietzsche etc...)

@Leo Gura which ones do you consider the good ones?

This weekend Im attending a 4 hour long meditation session (+ another 4 hours optional). I've never done that long before. Past 45 mins I just get too monkey mind. For those long stretches do you switch some things up in batches, like: eyes open - closed, breath focused, body-awareness, mantra changing (internally), metta meditation? Or you just stick to 1 technique the whole time?

Exactly. His has some green and even yellow. But the core is orange. I don't think he is chasing girls nowadays really. But the money thing is a huge deal for him. The good thing is that he is helping people in his programs (I guess), so is not like he is just making millions inventing in shitcoins.

Exactly. Also, the 2012-14 were the best videos (maybe Im biased because was when I discovered him). He seemed way more authentic back then. And some of the RSD crew was great also. I wish he takes 2 years off and comes up with new stuff, with a renewed worldview; but doesn't look that that is going to happen.

haha so funny Pablo Escobar also donated millions and millions. That doesn't make him a good person. Donating millions (and publishing it) is just a survival strategy. Is a way to inflate ego/persona. Not saying is bad per se, nor I'm criticizing Tate. Is better use of the money than buying 25 1M$ cars. But understand where his actions are coming from.

It seems you got a glimpse of the Ox

If you are serious about this... -Check out this video. -Introspect DEEPLY on it for a few hours. -Write down action steps. -And take a few small steps on the direction you decided. Don't just do it once. Do it at least 4 times (once a week) in the next month. You will see great results.

mmm interesting way to say it. Gotta for that bliss and love I guess

I was smoking weed and decided to watch Leo's Guided God Realization video. And got something. I don't know how to explain it properly. Still a bit in shock. For the 1st hour I was getting a sense of something... but 5 minutes before the end, I just started laughing a lot. And feel the NEED to put my self in prayer position in a cushion I have for meditation or chants. But I couldn't be still any more when I was thinking: Ok, but consciousness goes away when I go to sleep! Then I thought: Im imagining sleep! I got it there. I understand, after 10 years, the quote from Power of Now, the first spiritual book I’ve ever bought 10 years ago: Or this variations: You are the whole universe. You are not IN the universe, you are THE universe. All these 10 years sounded new-agy nonsense. 10 minutes ago, I got it. The Universe is not the 'scientific universe'. Is THIS! DIRECT EXPERIENCE. That 'scientific' universe is just an imagination! haha Is like Im seeing reality upside down, from 180º degrees. I also felt a big sense of aloneness. I even had to get my phone and open pictures of my girlfriend to see her as real. It was freaky. I dont know exatly the defintinon of depersonlization, but it seemed something like that. That there was no 'I'. And I was scared. I wasn't sure what was going to happen the next moment. Was a sense of having little control. My heart pumping HARD and FAST! It felt as some kind of defense mechanism of the body-mind. So it was a mix of me on my knees with hand in prayer position, laying on the ground, pushups (I felt a a few rushes of energy and have to release in some way), laughing hysterically, moving around the living room (I COULDNT stay still) and fear. I can't remember the last time I was this afraid. I didn't know if I was on the break of an anxiety attack (never had one) so wasn't sure. It even cross my mind the word 'ambulance'. I was very uncertain. It was like I peaked behind the veil, like a kid catching the trap on the magic trick , but at the same time was EXCITING. As I was saying, not all was fear, also uncontrollable laugher of joy. In a way it felt like ''after all these years, books, videos etc.. you got it. Savour it' In a sense it remind me of Leo in his live enlightenment video. Is like I understood that THIS is Absolute Truth hahaha of course. PURE DIRECT EXPERIENCE. What else it may be?

hahah Osho, Pattabhi, Mooji, Balsekar... didn't realize no-self?

Skip the solipsism, pua, and mental masturbation threads and it will be fine.

Not everyone feels bad after. Maybe is not the masturbation, but the shame or guilt after it. Careful with this.

Of course they can. Is what Leo calls Zen devilry Search for all the scandals of the biggest gurus. There are a lot. Some of them are manipulative and narcissistic. Thats an assumption you are making up. I agree with you that both are best. Its something you have to work to, but they don't necessarily go together.

Who said the purpose of humanity is to propagate itself? You just said it. Its a perspective.

Reading this post, is clear that I didn't reach enlightenment. It was an awakening for sure. As clear as it gets. But fades. Maybe is because I had it on weed, no too much, but still... Looks to me a problem of embodiment, but you say is not an insight to integrate...

Ofc they do. They just don't want to be loved the way you think.

You are mixing 2 different things -You can take 5-Meo, awaken and then live a shity lifestyle. -You can meditate 10 hours a day for 50 years, not awaken and live a great lifestyle. An awakening is a realization, not a lifestyle. @r0ckyreed read this ^

A nice way to frame is like this: bad/negative emotion -> unpleaseant emotion good/positive emotion -> pleasant emotion If a hot chick is sucking your dick, is not good, its just pleasant. If your mother dies and you feel sad, sadness not a bad emotion. You just label it 'bad' because is unpleasant and you would prefer to be happy. This can lead to problems of suppression. The problem comes when you feel bad for feeling sadness. If your mother dies, feel all the unpleasant emotions you want without judgement.

I was referring more to the Big Rocks vs Small Rocks analogy. I was warning about having too many rocks. Yes, the examples are broad, but be careful. Maybe that doesn't work for everbody. If found the key here is coming back to this principles/mission statements and work on them every week, as a dynamic thing. Good luck!