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Ha. You into Artix? I know people who are real into Gentoo but, ALas i will never have the time to investigate~anything more than what i wouldve looked at before, Arch & Debian-based, due to time restraints, and the amount of stuff i got going on now. I have done LFS, but that too im not sure i have time to maintain, given the direction ive already started. But LFS is def very interesting too, and i may return to that world someday. Theres just so much i got to do first.

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Oh wow, nice. Hey, bring it back. Make a BSD thread jk (i do really like BSD variants, certain ones have things that like, dang that wsht woulda been the best if it was paired w/ linux... maybe that requires a discussion/collab, LFS thread...)

Cuneiform of Assyrian/Akkadian like that of Asherbanipal is horrific. I was just looking at this this morning, and my godis it not intelligble at all, as its more like How to document words that might mean something later, like its got so many incoherent phrases that couldve implied any number of things. And then someone shows Cuneiform to the hebrews or maybe the canaanites and they start using real letters pressed into cuneiform tablets, like going back to the literal stone age of communication, sending the people backwards like some flight of the phoenix into god knows what (Clay tablets are like the twitter of real materials, wood, runestone columns and petra, and skin, and paper...) Imean, we could prolly name all the writing systems and languages in one message, unless it includes like, very intricate african/south american and islander languages, who have questionable writing systems, if they even have writing systems. Like lets see here: Arabic, Aramaic (Syrian-Aramaic, etc), Indian lineage, Asian lineage, Turkish and the various ones in and around Persia and Turkiye... Like Going through mountains and Caspian Sea Latin & Greek (we just went one column over...) Bulgarian, Serbian, Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, Czech, Slovak, Croatian, Bosnian, Slovenian, Macedonian.... Baltic Sea Lithuanian, Latvian and Old Prussian Albanian... Armenian, cause yous prolly get em confused like i do... Romance/Castellano languages (Prior Italic/Etruscan and variants), Irish ppl languages, i.e. Welsh, Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Breton.. Germanic English, Frisian, Dutch, Flemish, German, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Icelandic, Faroese, Luxembourgish, Old Norse (Gothic and various ones) Finnish Sign Languages I need an English-Estonian dictionary... Oh you cant forget Tolkien's Gnomish and Quenya (based languages, for everything else in the lotr legend) *Note, I was looking through the Unicode Character Table, and there is some crazy crazy writing systems for some of the recorded & well known aboriginal and tribal peoples

Yas pulled out an old memory, i cant even remember this thread, or wat we was on. Was i in here tlkin bout linux too?

@Mixcoatl We can atleast say that "truth" (generally) is something you can point at (direct towards), for yourself, and unto others. That gives you truth as more of a "locus". At some point, *language itself, and words like ego and truth take on different forms/meanings, and what was once the "looking for truth" become something more akin to reality itself ~So Truth is not always the destination, in the search for truth (that is in the context of our whole lives being a testament to truth, or rather, the "attempt to discern"). Truth evolves. In discerning truth, you are distilling something alchemical. We are *occupied by the perception of limitations and truths of experience, Ergo on one end, we are taking up the space via * these other forms. And so therefore, that which exists, exists Now, as well as that which we are moving or facing is itself [there] but in a sense we just dont perceive it beyond "the happenings that we think are called truth" And just to conclude this, there's two different destinations on the path of the Philosopher~which has to do w/ this initial relaxing of the Ousia of the self, and the acknowledgement around the Istemi~ its something akin to a direction or arrow that links the inner and outer models, that which leads to a sort of truth of the matter. Though, calling it "truth" (as opposed to "a truth") is a bit odd, because then there's this other road that builds on the distillations of truth, which is a separate sortve path, and it doesnt necessary encapsulate the istemi, though it doesnt exclude it. It does assume one should be atleast somewhat familiar w/ it as a possibility, as these two things, *truth and the -istemi towards, are somewhat tangential in nature. Or maybe it should be phrased as, "istemi exists to deepen the distillation" (or vice versa)

Its a good question, and im gonna look for a book on short introductions (likely yous are touching on~anything that crosses the multiple realms we've been talking about... Religion, Philosophy, Physiology/Biology or Ancient Medicine... Grammar, or Languages, or the Arts... Logic, as well as Spiritual or Mystical things that counter, or compliment Rational Logic) And on the topic of Religion ~ or the realm right before, this word "soteriology" -> The study or doctrine of salvation definitely applies to Christianity. I just so happened to be looking at it in this moment. Edit: There might be a title for the study of "that which exists right before Christianity" but i dont know what it is, and its fairly new if it does exist, or atleast i didnt know there was a such thing, beyond "the study of antiquity"? Maybe? @Joseph Maynor Oh okay. That actually helps alot. Theology is gonna be, "The study of the nature of God and religious truth", Aristotle i of course know well, and thats gonna be the following (These are basically what Aristotle's treatises are called too): 1. Logic -> technical explanations for categories around substance, quantity and quality, statements, affirmations, earliest language around "logic" 2. Pychology, Biology 3. Metaphysics, or First Principles & Being; Metaphysics referring to qua being; substance; form and matter; et caetera 4. Ethics and Politics - how to live and organize society 5. Rhetoric and Poetics (which is on language, persuasion, art) p.s. i had written on Aristotle, so i had categories all laid out in front of me already, lol. Anyway, yous can use that to find books.

Bonus Ques., #2: And this is more getting into the individual provinces, like Sparta, Athens, etc, etc., which is for instance, Why were Spartans so obsessed w/ being warriors (or why were the people of the community, both the elders and the warriors, why were they thinking you needed some dedicated warrior foundation & fundamentals to attack, defend and strategize)? Like, Ive not looked outside of the basic warrior-aspect of Sparta, as I was originally focused on Sparta from the perspective of the outcasts, the Spartans who were kicked out and who ended up sailing to Italy (Puglia, where my ancestors are from. but my ancestors definitely were not big strong, warrior-minded people at all, so iuno who the fk is related to Spartans) And so like, that is a whole nother side of the Spartans most people dont know of; But if we stay in mainland Greece, we see how Spartans really rely on Athenians and others to learn words and grammar and such... Like, they werent dumb or anything like that, but they needed a little help to get going, cause they were sortve fixated on war (im describing this wrong, cause its part of their role in society to be warriors, but the question is how you join, and how you leave/besides through banishment to leave, being very young when you join~or so they say~and is a question i have, and i dont know how that process works), nevertheless they sound like traumatized souls, dark souls in terms of the way they are to be this cloister of warriors, but i guess the military is this same idea, or similar. But that is to say that there is more complexity to these stories that we need to dig up to really understand them, and im just naming Sparta and Athens cause they are the two most recognizable, though i meant to really touch on other cultures~And accidentally go caught up describing Sparta. In any case, that is one such question.

Bonus Ques.: Is there a connection to Orphic tradition, and the musicians within that context? Atleast, those are the sortve of questions that also connect back to this, granted, *Orpheus in itself is complex, and could be opening up a can of fiery worms Note: I had Greek Mythology and related in High School (im 37) lol, but i mean to say, back when i was 17-18, this was the only subject I was interested in, cause the teacher was talking about like, "How so & so represented the boy's penis" ~in the story~ Not that i remember what we were talking about, But im just saying, this stuff was cool. Like the computer class was cool too, but i kept getting in trouble during the last two years of school, for me. So Mythology was more up my aily, in the sense that~it was accepting of chaos. If yous arent accepting of Chaos, i cant really shine. Like i have a theory that the reason the Old Norse/Germanic side got turned onto Christianity was cause they were essentially striving for order, and not true chaos. However, its possible they didnt have a true understanding of it either, and were just initially thinking of Jesus as "another god" in the pantheon, that which represented and orderly living. This may not be true, and ive not investigated it, but i just have a feeling. That is, I feel as though, the chaos goes where the chaos was made, and somewhere around the Greek and Roman interaction, theres a real chaotic thing preserved, that which is in between Jesus and the Bronze Age Collapse, and these events where its like, you have all these cultures who are like, uprooting their own traditions, and relocating. We dont know alot about it, cause ive tried to look back into history to find out, and we simply dont know enough, outside of say Greek writers/commentary and Egyptian records (who btw, are very thorough in naming all the cultures, Alas thats not what i mean to talk about) I mean to direct our attention towards what I call Mythological Period, up to today. Like, on the surface, it my seem like it goes from hunter gatherers, to farming, to proto-civilization, but its more like, cycles of life, and we are misunderstanding, in living form, like. We cant understand history because we are that far away, but we can, in the very least, say how we feel about it, and why it happened the way we think it happened, using our misunderstanding as a way of pointing to that which mightve happened.

This might be confusing, as i didnt really preface w/ "why it would be weighted", based on something from the context of the history, so lets see if yous figure it out on your own and reconstruct it for me, cause its part of the process for the rest of the idea. For you have this healthy dose of certain worlds~or ideas from ppl~adding to the conversation, and it builds upon what is like an idea that may have more potential once you think deeply into it. And maybe its just really really interesting, and thats it. You never know though when youve crossed an idea thats gonna cascade into something else, and into something else. Like we're just brainstorming.

I just learned of this historic term Wild Fields to denote~what would be present-day regions of Ukraine and the West of Russia, north of the Black Sea, AND ~it was the traditional name for the Black Sea regions, i.e. Black Sea Steppes in the 16th and 17th Centurions, et caetera, and I thought it was a good title to use to setup what would be a thread on "Anything" about Philosophy or Ancient Science & Tech., from the Mycenaean, Archaic, Classical or Latter Periods, Sortve like a World of Warcraft trilogy of places, of which you can choose any location or topic or facet, that falls within that region, even if it crosses into places of religion, or magick. Or even if its like an intellectual analysis of a candlelit dinner. The purpose is really just to get us all talking and stuff, and to generate interesting confersati

@UnbornTao I guess theres three things here that are conflated together (meaning that, even i am conflating them together, because they are that integrated) 1. The presumptions in/around a thing~or things 2. The assumption of what we think we (or they) think, how they think of those things ~ 3. And then, the initialized belief that we think we know anything about the thing we think we know 4. Is maybe the bonus, which is like this thing that lives in between these three things, as the substance that makes all of it fluid, and you can sortve point towards Plato as a means of saying something about form, or some foundation to even point to (cause otherwise, we have broken our foundation, and we have no where to go, which isnt necessarily a good state to be staggered in between, but it isnt necessarily bad either)

@everyone into health, As yous can see, i stocked up on the Jewish rye this week, as ima be busy nd have to had to get everything today~note, it says "Jerusalem" in the hebrew. and pretty much anything w/ russian, ukrainian or jewish is like a symbol that you are dealing w/ real food But it goes to show how the most current depictions are like this weighted entry into what things mean to us, and why they might matter~Moses, although hes from three thousand years ago or whatever, he could become an example, a symbol of a sect of religion that can be built upon more of like the goblinesque, trollish tribal signs of the serpent that might be enjoyable to research~and the continued search for learning the interplay of Israel, Egypt and the Imiddle est—he can represent the Μοῦσαι, Moses / Musais, and become the Muse re-inspired, reverted, inspirational symbol of love, devoid of the softening, and more so taking on the functions of our current paradigms. I mean, his name is so close to "Muse" so its an opportunity awaiting us.

@UnbornTao If you wanna see a neat Philosophy that is also unknown (probably even lesser known than skepticism) Synechism (~19th CE Philosophy) from the Greek root/base συνεχής, continuous (continuity), uninterrupted & holding or~held together by~ σύν (syn-) → together, with + ἔχω (échō) → to hold, have, keep (plus the adj. end -ής) Philosophical term: "Doctrine of continuity", or in laymens terms, synchenism is the idea that continuity is fundamental, or that it is fundamentally continuous, and so therefore continuity is the key principle for understanding everything else. I mean, its basically what alot of people would be into, they just don't normally have the most correct terms from history to describe it; Or they atleast dont know they are into it, given that its hard to constantly be on the precipice of breaking, or acknowledging one's own shortcomings (in regards to their most fundamental ideas) ~which ties into the "centipedes dilemma", combined w/ a little of like, Heidegger's "being-in-the-world" idea, where you don't stand outside your worldview and observe it you are already operating inside it, so the world shows up as the total field~the holon~of meaning, as opposed to something you can easily bracket and escape. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heideggerian_terminology

Ha, i feel like ive seen something like this recently, w/ a guy who was cracking open these wet, black stones, and upon cracking them open (which they seemed to very easily open~i dont know what they were made of) they revealed lots of little fossils, or what do you call them little creatures that leave behind imprints of their shells, that stuff, little fossil you see around Egypt and stuff like this. This could even be the same youtube channel that it comes from, lol i dont know (i like that green poop stuff in the crabs... the tartar or whatever it is, the tomtom... i jus remember it was two syllables like that.. something /t/ something)

Hey, never say 'Never', Right? You could def write it if you feel a pull towards it, i mean, id be surprised to learn if more than like 1% of the world right now even knows who Pyrrho..., like you'd effectively be investigating something thats New to this generation, or the coming Gen. Hey, even if its just to get ya into something, starting to write, or to do something from a different perspective. Even if its initially just pulling the best parts from this translation or something else you are reading at the time, Ya never know what could end up transforming into a new place or a new opportunity. I'll have to check out R.G. Bury's translation myself to learn what thats all about.

Oh thats neat. You are saying thats somethin' you are writing? I've definitely looked at Pyrrho, as I remember seein' this face several times now, i just havent looked at Pyrrho in skepticism, so it was prolly something to do w/ Alexander the Great

@around2:30, we get to the part where the Israelite Hebrews question god, and god brings a serpent, and the serprent bites the Israelites. And after many of them passing away due to these snake bites, they then go to Moses and say, "We have sinned... for we have spoken against the Lord... And against you...!?" The Lord said to Moses to put a serpent on a pole, "and it shall be that everyone who looks at it (perhaps not w/ their eyes... maybe tis meant "imagined it") and that anyone who is bitten who's imagined it like this, shall subsequently survive (live)" Now if you caught one of my posts once where i was talking about them being lighter weight, not as tall back then, yadayada, and you can start see why a venomous snake bite, regardless of its size might be a death inducing situation -prolly for us too, as ive never been bit by a snake. But we have to be careful not to mix up the story w/ the latter period, which is to say that they mightve actually used the snake message as an attention grabber, and whether or not its apart of the Moses tribe story, it doesnt really matter, cause laws and messages like this play the same role(s). Due to the latter sanitization of the story, it makes it seem like they are gonna experience a"miracle" of the snake, and it goes into "Nor let us tempt Christ..." therafter, but I dont look at this from a standpoint of "everything is sanitized", cause that would be ridiculous too. Things are based on something, and somewhere out there there is an accurate message, speaking to something that points in the right direction. You just have these things like "The Spirit... The water... and the blood" and elements of the bible that were written over, likely very important elements, as they all sound like something critical to the story. Ergo im just speaking to the fact that the truth was erased (unless the church has the truth stashed away), and thats all im speaking to~im speaking from a place that is like, can we rid us of this vanilla crapola and insert the chocolate that it needs ~note, im not a huge chocolate fan, but this is so much vanilla that it actually needs choc., And so then, that way, we can feel it as a real story, and not like l’introduzione... l’illusione... il prestigio, even if the magick element is important. That is, the magick elements are staggered in such a way that i dont feel like theres a good message, nor a message that makes sense when it should make sense, hence im trying to focus on Moses, in particular, who has alot of poignancy towards the religion in general, as someone who has a message that extends outward as well, cause it bridges the moments with Egypt and the Israelites. The rest is more of like~a family of things that are hard to pull apart, like the families of someone in India or something, in the sense that, im not gonna be able to say much more about those Indian families beyond whats already there in the bible.

Rather than going over any one scientific or metaphysic, or magical type thing, why dont we ask about the *question, questioning, or the preconditions to "a thing", required. because its not until we find ourselves walking a path that we may begin to understand what path we want to be on thereafter, let alone what & why we are on that path... And this video is sortve the extension on that, leading into a more complete idea around the myst., or the incomprehendable questions & preconditions This video begins from the notion of the "question", and the conditions towards theurgia. And rather than explain theurgia, which i certainly could (and may consider doing) leaving yous w/ 5 paragraphs all on it, i simply want to let yous uncover it on your own~Theurgy, which is layers of layers of layers~likely even beyond those who think they know what it is, as these things are basically a long story

For anyone that wants to read these books now, i found the second one here, The Master's of truth., on Archive dot org p.s. im readin it now nd i regret not reading this before, cause ths shts so good. if anyone finds more books like this, or anything like the 100 booklist books that i posted in the book section, plz do send me them.

Thats a nice way to put it; Thats prolly what i was thinking too, and you were able to find the words for it. *p.s. there's of course the term "gnosis-", but thats associated w/ more than what we want in this context i believe, atleast in modern times its taking on new meanings that are fluid and hard to pinpoint, like more on the *mystery side of things. or so i feel.

Okay i got it now, it was three books that i put aside~someone originally recommended me, that i had listed in Epistemology and similar sections, but that i thought were more appropriate for something like this occasion where ppl are tlkin' about this stuff specifically... The three book are Vernant's Myth and Thought Among the Greeks, Marcel Detienne's The Masters of Truth in Archaic Greece and Maria Mili's Religion and Society in Ancient Thessaly

This is something else yous can look up, that which i have several different perspectives and ways on approaching what is really the same story of 'Moses. Which is that, the oldest accounts of someone named "Moses" come from the non-biblical works of Hecataeus of Abdera. He is supposed to have recounted the Egyptians who blamed the plague (not the bible's exaggerated plague) on the foreigners at the time, the Hebrew people, Hebrew again just being sortve an "outsider" term like barbara- in Greek, atleast i mean to say, thats what it was pointing to... what they were sortve saying to those non-Egyptian folk at the time. And it is suppose to have described how they expelled those foreigners from the country, whereupon Moses, their leader, took them to Canaan. Of course, Hecataeus's work only survives in fragments through Diodorus Sicilus, but its noticeably sympathetic towards Moses, describing him as a lawgiver. So on the Greeks and Hebrew side, Moses is a legendary hero, albeit nomadic. And thats how he was to even be described by everyone (generally) prior to reading this ('cause think about it, what else could you possibly conclude about Moses). That is to say, all roads lead to the same vague depictions of Moses, or that vague form rather ~often having a serpent involved~ 'Cause like, thats not only the surface level conclusion, thats also what our earliest accounts of him seem to have concluded as well, so... I mean, regardless of who or whatelse he might've been, thats who Moses is Now, and probably who he'll always be now (i dont really see how to go deeper into it, beyond the unknown story w/ the serpent and the nomadic people learning, buts thats hard to really track down... granted its cool to talk about and think about)

People can start in the Greek directly w/ Theaetetus [*tʰee-ay-tee-tus] (on Classic.MIT Website) yous can read it, cause its asking "What is knowledge", Alas i wanna look for this book I was talking about in the meanwhile.

i had the perfect book i think for this topic, but ill have to find it again, as it was like the entry to this, both religions and knowledge, investigating ~for me~ but i ended up never reading it passed the first few pages to begin w/ and i cnt recall what its called atm. *p.s. our grammar, or the way we communicate is based on Homer, so Greek literature is in a way the introduction into whats become how we all talk, and subsequently how we form ideas around knowledge, or what we consider *it.