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That could prolly be a question, like "how far into the realm of the abstract consciousness are ppl tryina go", cause otherwise they are prolly just gonna stay on a loop, which, thats not necessarily a bad thing. Loops are necessary.

Its prolly more so at the edge of what anyone is gonna be able to make any reasonable discernment of... as im tryina find questions that make ppl think, that live in between the realm of logic and not logic, and its a hard task to try and figure out.... And so im repetitively faced w/ abstract question things—thus they just keep expressing themselves out like this...

@patricknotstar You have something interesting in there where you said "God is dreaming", open that part up... as i think thats the question im asking about (its my mistake cause i originally phrased the question too broadly) and so, the part where you are saying that this dream we are in is beyond us, how much of that is like, the qualities of tail chasing, versus the qualities of sortve safety net that we are misunderstanding, i think is my question

wait, woops, i didnt mean the brain—i meant, "are the qualities of consciousness + experience so wrapped up, that its like...", they exist even at a distance like... not your sense of self, but the qualities that youve come to associate with the world, just assuming we are a pair of eyes floating through life, to make things simpler. Now, the question is like, are those qualities coming w/ us — or, is it that, its more automatic, and more like a burning truth around us, in time, at the end of the rainbow... does that make sense? its like, how much of this is like trying to catch our tail in a world where the tail is always present, versus how much of it is like, —safe, in the sense that, it can automatically garbage collect things thatve gone too far out-of-use, unused, including the tail and the thing doing the chasing, automatically, and without needing to bring back any prior elements of experience. Like, theres a point where that question is overlapping.. but the points where it doesnt, its like how much of the venn diagram of it is there for each, or for the one you feels the stronger of the two

Im too dumb to understand how these two come together, or what it even means. but maybe just putting it out there we can begin to understand, as well as how time comes into the equation, cause to me im already confused about how we got to this point, and id need someone whos into physics to explain how time is represented. This is just a video on consciousness, and im sure its been brought up before, but i either missed it, or i wasnt up on physics back then (im still not) so lets start with this video and work our way up or down, or both.

i mean there are alot of metaphysical questions and things i have, but just to start from more of an old school, spiritual place first to ground it all, if we go back to the bible, with the story of moses i think it is who sees the people who recently were asking questions about God nd all, causeve whatever curious things prior—and were awaiting to hear from Moses up on mt. sinai receiving those ten commandments from God (im butchering the tale here...) but, anyways the isrealites grew impatient and pressured A-aRon to make a "God they could visually see", and he made a statue. Then they started worshipping it, like throwing full festivals (as we continue to as well, for better or worse). And so, Moses came down w/ the stone tablets, happening upon the worship of this statue that had no real basis other then it was made by A-aron in the demand of the people, and Moses broke the statue—or threw it down the hill or whatever... Point being its like, to me iuno wtf was Moses problem, its like, we are already here in what is essentially a non-stop, dwindling life, and though the world is leaning towards a kindve less spiritual or God-acknowledging place, its still a bonus to have something that acts as the very center, that which all people can point at. Its like, a guiding mechanic for groups to have something being pointed to, and agrred on, in every1s mind. im prolly giving a bad description, but anyway. He got mad, and understandbly so, as he spent like, how much of his life and then those 40 days, all bubbling up to this thing, and then not only was it like "oh, fuck that god thing hes workin on", it was also like a kinda fuck you to moses too, in a way, even if they didnt realize it. but anyway, thats not the point. Thats all to say that, I ask myself like, how can we instill something like this, something thats like a bonus-ism, that doesnt require judgement in a new world. i mean, its that sortve area that interesting. im prolly asking the question wrong, but it gives yous an idea of what im tryina say atleast.

I appreciate that you use very thoughtful words, like *concentration*, etc. in describing meditation, as theres not enough pragmatic and practical explanations about ppls meditation exp out there. i havent watched your videos yet. meditation i know may seem a bit unusual and mysterious at first, and there are difficulties, and questions, about it. its like theres geometrically incompatible ends that have trouble bringing meditation into the pic, fusing it w/ half of them, and eventually it does. like, you wont have any questions really cause its sortve a self generating mechanisms goin on there, eventually speaking With that said, i see ppl looking at others as a kindve guide, but the final form is you, and so its like, the best ideas are gonna come from you within you. ~As far as best states of consciousness, first we'd have to identify states of consciousness, since we are assuming that there is this *good state of consciousness* which is in a class of consciousness states,that which we can identify. So i ask to ask yourself what those are first, obviously, otherwise it doesnt make sense to ask that question, unless you mean something else.

You can take steps towards infinity, like just start imagining things, like without rhyme or reason, that can be the starting zone, and dont criticize what you are doing, cause if you are tryina justify the imagined, then you are prioritizing all the analytical bits, when you need that gyrating engine happening at the forefront

I been thinking bout a couple of things, and of the elements thats sortve sache'd in there is like the way dreaming is representative of a kindve strange expression of experience, wherein it has an interesting relationship with memories, i.e. repetitive sequences of experience in our life. And i say that because like, one of the higher level goals of life we might say is to strip away all function symbols, debug symbols and functions of the mind, to be left with hopefully nothing, as best as we can. And so, although i dont rely on dreams or modes of consciousness that arent like a 'baseline-reality centered place', and beyond that it is like, indicative of the many states of consciousness—i still feel like, there is something to exploiting the mind through hyper real, or imaginary functions or whatever, its like, its not doing what we think its doing, does that make sense? Just to elaborate, you could say theres like a relationship between how we think of ourselves, and how we experience ourselves, and those things get intertwined while we dream, which makes it difficulty to really narrow down... or maybe i should describe it like this.... Imagine for a sec, you follow yourself into the dream, trying to like, split yourself up somehow, where you can experience a thing, separate from what we know as the 'person i am'... And so, you then want to try and carry back (and, we are assuming you are not being physically woken up during) you have to unwind it all such that you wake up, and you have to roll it back, so that you dont lose either yourself, or if what you care about is no identity, nothing that traces you back to this dream you just had, that itself is a thing you are unwinding, but its not much of process since it just means, " continuing the trail of your self identity". In this example, your 'self' is now couched in levels of scenarios that were impossible, like impossible geometry, but obviously thats not an issue for conscious experience atleast, as consciousness doesnt work like that. Anyway, i thought id share that. I should note however, the thing thats more inline, atleast imo, with experimentation and extreme forms of identity is the realm that lives *between* sleeping and waking. If you can drill into that, thats the killer space to be, as far as breaking everything.

i was on a roll there on utube for a moment, with mad interesting-lookn' things. i think its deadnow.

I like the way the sand has interesting physics/ pixel-based behaviors (the sand bleeds into one another), so my head goes to like, "what happens when the sand is in the middle of settling, and you interrupt it", or like... suppose this wasnt just tetris w/ falling blocks, but another dimension to the game, where someone or something is feeding those blocks from the otherside (above perhaps) like iuno, maybe its suppose to be this large geometry-based mechanism, or maybe its like theres a leprachaun, or something that lives on the surface—like, the ground level is the tetris, and the surface level is where this leprachaun plants radishes and whatknot, And maybe theres some alphabet and/or block-based thing happening up there...

This is one of those interesting things, in terms of being an interesting mechanic (although i dont quite understand it, like is it the player that is the *line*, and the character is just a consequence of the lines) i mean, its at the edge of whats interesting, but like, i think thats something that leans towards re-thinking what the character is (even though thats prolly not how it works). this guys channel has so many baba is you and other puzzly-represented games to its like his video list goes on forever.

Im thinkin of doin a thread on death—like the ancient egyptian belief on death, but iuno if like... like when they have references to say the sky/light, thats usually not pointing to a gate or door to get past is it, i dont think. or is there? isnt there people with bird heads and angel wings, or na. or like im tryina make a connection to the sortve gate you reach where you see a white light that feels disturbing (its not prolly disturbing to older folk since they are in like, actual passing away places) and the sortve ancient beliefs that all have the ideas of having to go through these puzzles to reach it. but iuno if it really is just telling more of a story, than it is like, navigating the feeling, but maybe it is who knows

### Time as everything Has anyone in physics ever framed things or described it like this: Everything is time, and everything else is couched—or is like sub components of time. So its like a hierarchy of what it is, *it* being time, and everything else being just like, the consequences of indifference kinda?.. like... Its=Time having gone on a seriously fucked up trip Or am i not even saying anything by phrasing it like that. I like it cause then the idea is about an imaginary unit/gensu called time, and no longer an imaginary unit called space and particles and such... i know theres already something like that, that makes time a priority, but iuno what the names of all the quantum theory this & thats are... also, it gives more legs to the underlying waves, because then they are like, excitations that happen due to a priori

Nobodys afraid of not existing, cause nobody knows what it means to not exist. The question is what are you gonna do when its time. You know its time cause youve had enough of the game, physically, mentally. Death doesnt care. Your done. Whats it gonna feel like? its not gonna feel good. And we dont have a good plan besides not eating and hoping it just happens. Death is a sharp opportunity, its like a texture that is faster, and braver, one step ahead. Its the hated, the sadness, the destiny that awaited. Its the in-between, the unknown, and its always there. Its not realized, just misunderstood, staring at everyone, most patiently. Its like the top of the lid, containing the carbonated drink, right before its twisted. Once twisted, its all let loose, and from liquid we pull ourselves back to a solid. But how are you gonna get there? Let the cap loose, or its the most patient and retardly slow deaths ever.

Thank you for agreeing, as i wasnt expecting yous to go in a solid direction that was approving of my prioritizing Greek myth, and perhaps even any history that is sortve like, a story that you have to sortve go through and find reflection in. But to also see how like, life is a tragedy, and as such, we might say to ourselves, like —here are these people recognizing it, and sorting through like: A) how do we illustrate it, and B) what are we trying to say,.... is it the stories themselves, is it the emotional impact?... theres many components to it, and somehow, the stories are unbelievable, otherwordly. And so we have to askwhat thats about too, but its like, regardless of, they are real people in how they face dilemmas, and so its like, how do you solve things during critical points—thats one idea. how do you not lose hope. but even thats not the final message, cause its like, the heroic aspect shares a symbiotic relationship with our ability to discern anything, like, we arent just a newborn without any priors. we have roots, and lots of ideas about what reality is, and who we are. nd we are always trying to go back to our own mythology to work that out. We have like a buffer that returns to a very greek or norse myth place, as its trying to stay on the wagon.

Id recommend reading "The Greek Plays" or one of the ones that has the actual play -versions in them as thats like the quintessential way to see the artistic language used. Sophocles introduces morality in his and whatknot — and,alas i tried to find utube videos to be a kindve introduction to—but i dont know if there are any, atleast none that capture the artistry involved; still you could go into it from any point jus to get familiar w/

im thinking about the shutdown process. cause like, w/ consciousness you have the choice, like you can choose between how complex the dependencies are as they converge towards the act of shutting down, as thats like, as single-users (unless we get together in a death party somehow, or we imagined we are..) we just want the most processes shutting down, and as fast as possible. thats like normal runit init, but if for some reason you want to manage them dependencies then you want something that is then considering them. and then theres the fact like, say for instance all of us are like 80 years old and we all get together in a giant multi-user party, and that is another layer to it, where we are all informing each other of like, what all to lookout for as we are coming down from our trip, etc. and its like, we can make it simple on us by recognizing it as a kindve system in that way, atleast logically. but if for some reason we are all trippin out like crazy, and we can no longer keep track of up and down, then that is a kindve segment of the pi chart thats like hard to navigate, either as the crazy person, or observing said crazy person. iuno basically its like, im tryina say that it can have this understanding, such that it doesnt seem like a conflict, where u are like, "wait, how do those binary shutdowns happen to state and profile", instead its like, "oh, theyre happening,... and its like, our input on that is like, *consciousness gave us the choice on which program we were running*. Does that make sense?

Theres only a ring of infatuation, surrounded by other colored rings like a spectrum, and you can draw conclusions on the patterns from one ring to the next, but its gonna be very different between each person. so its like, a law of the point at which your own mind comes to conclude is a law (as your mind depends on laws, so its no fault of ur own)

The playwriter Aristophanes stuff is good stuff too... Lysistrata: "O Aphrodite, breathe down over our breasts and thighs, an attraction both melting and mighty." Lysistrata: "These gates we hold, and they’ll not be opened, except upon our terms." For context, this moment occurs as the women strategize (to end the Peloponnesian War) and to maximize their appeal, knowing the men are growing desperate. Lysistrata’s prayer to Aphrodite frames their bodies as divine instruments, flipping the script on the whole dominance game, and Upon our terms -shes talkin' bout their vaginas basically

~Oh wait, technically you should start w the "creation myth", which you could easily find online and read in like 5 minutes or watever it takes to.

Its kindve like, the literal nature of a time before us. I was hoping for it to be about, what its like for ppl to have to face consciousness at more repetitive, regular intervals, since reality is more defined on those terms—like if they do something wrong, it is the fault of a god—but then you have to wonder what that god really meant (what is "that god"), after graduating from your mother or fathers basis for it, or whoever is there peers—and to then have everything as the living embodiment of a consciousness-like instance, i mean... Theres only logical components that we later can say wouldve been correct, but thats the only thing you can say, like obviously ppl of history are gonna be weak in those regards, the interesting book is where their conscious strengths are, and thats in the nuances of who they are individually. I had GreekMythology in highschool,so maybe for me i just thought about it more.

Lets take a consciousness break lol, and look at terrence howards new ideas in regards to physics. i mean, if he has anything constructive in the areas of math, such as the stuff regarding chemistry and the periodic table and that whole thing, where he talks about the associated frequency — that then somehow crosses into geometry at the same time — then feel free to elaborate on that. However i think the other things are interesting—well... interesting from a polymath's perspective... That is to say that, hes got an obsession with curves (among other sorts of geometric shapes, that admittedly i dont quite understand the connection) so, in other words, its true that the universe does curve around, and so its like a repetitive motif. After doing some quick research on what he was saying, and what others already say, its lead me to wonder... Now, we should atleast preface w/ the fact that theres a hundred factors at play in regards to space, spacetime and physics and such, and alot of it is a math problem in regards to how you go about confirming things. Then theres the physical experiments one can do, although that has become increasingly harder given that—you are trying to capture the relationship between observer and the observed when doing measurements. Theres also the fact that the thing we are measuring is like a signal, or a field that has fluctuating points we decipher to be say... an electron, etc. Thats looking at it from the most general perspective. So when terrence howard comes along from an intuitive place, and says whatever it is he says, it makes sense because of how disconnected all of our current theories have been. The question then is, does it make sense actually, or does it make sense, adjoined w/ all his contemporaries in the field of science. I should note that, we havent really figured out anything new in a long time. That could be a bad thing or good thing, i dont know. Maybe we have as much as we are ever gonna have, or as much as we can control without destroying the Earth or breaking our brain. Lol, who knows. That is why i ask yous what your thoughts are on Terrence and his Terrence Science (hes admitted to 2=1x1 to be a metaphor), and whether or not theres even anything else we can achieve in physics (note: we could differentiate the physics of space in the universe (global) and the physics on Earth (local) to help eliminate some of the dark matter and such problems that dont pertain to our immediate application)

I'll start the list with just one component, without even describing any of the theories or people or anything, in case ppl wanna add to it or start a new thread, or anything else... ---- List of Everything for Physics - Time

i wish someone could make a list, like, not a thing thats tryina be a strange theory of everything, but a real life list on all the science/physics things that all inter related, like everything from claude shannon to like, iuno, all the physics-related... just so we can have like a list to look at, and so we can know how much stuff we are talking aboutwhen we even try to invoke physics and gravity and whatever else (like the base stuff that everything is either tryina build from, or like relativity, in that its being extended from or is tryina evolve in order to inter-op, kinda things...) i would add to the list once its established, i just dont know how much anyone really cares about physics, if anyones passionate about that sorta stuff.