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🟢 GATEWAY EXPERIMENT - Orientation & Introduction to Focus 10 16/09/2024 19:35 DAY 3 Today I did tape 1 once and tape 2 also once. When I redid the first tape, I had no bad feelings, my knees were okay. The problem was my saliva. Same thing for the second tape. This was the only thing that didn’t allow me to fully relax my body and let it sleep, but it was still a great experience. Somehow I went really deep, and now I feel refreshed for real, both physically and mentally, it's crazy; I am truly amazed and happy about the results. I will look at how I should solve this problem of saliva.

🟢 GATEWAY EXPERIMENT - Orientation Some time ago I heard about the CIA's declassified Gateway Process Experiment, but I got interested a couple of days ago when I read a post about it in this forum. I found the Gateway Experience tapes by the Monroe Institute and decided to give it a try. I decided to journal after each session to see the progress. By the way, I have been meditating for four years already, and in the last two years, I got into it even deeper (more about it later). 15/09/2024 21:26 DAY 1 & 2 Today is the second day of the gateway experiment. Yesterday, I did the first audio track, ORIENTATION (Wave 1), and only once. I might do it once again later when Mom and Dad go to their room so there's silence. The only thing is that I hope I don’t get too energetic before sleep. Yesterday the experience was great and pretty strong: I felt my body was asleep-like, and my mind active, as they said in the tape. Today it was not like that fully, maybe because I wanted to skip the first 5 minutes of the introduction, which is not part of the exercise, but yesterday helped me introduce a sense of calmness before the whole real thing. But now I know that later and tomorrow I will listen to the whole thing, even if it can be boring. I don’t know for how long I should do each tape; chat-GPT says to do more or less 3 or 4 days for each tape, and I will do so only if I see that I do have different feelings in my state of awareness. I just ended the first track, the second time for today, and it went better than the first one, except for the fact that toward the end I started having weird feelings of tension behind the knees. But I have to say that at the beginning already it was difficult to find a good posture. I notice also that every time I get into this physically relaxed state, my mind is more active and I have many thoughts. I am not distracted, but it's still pretty active. I don’t know if that's a bad sign. I will ask chat-GPT to get an idea. Tomorrow I will try to do the first tape twice, and then once the second tape. I'm really curious!

Good that you decided to stop smoking!

I agree

Yes it's true, but still I don't see why not to talk about it. Maybe Franco was not in the war as Mussolini and Hitler, but he still had a big part in it, even if on paper Spain was more neutral. I mean, a neutral country doesn't have concentration camps, and Spain does. Also, the fact that Spain was not focused not expanding, and not as present in the war as Italy and Germany were, doesn't mean that it was not a fascist country. Fascism stayed long after the war, and as in Italy it has never died. Today we're not at the same level of Franco and Mussolini, but unfortunately we're getting back there.

Don't have time right now to watch the whole video, so maybe it's a stupid question; but why did he talk about Italian and German fascism but not the Spanish one? Would be interesting to know about that too, Franco had an important role also for many years after the war.

It's sad to see how many negative comments towards somebody who simply shared an experience (an important one)

True, but we're not directly conscious of the fact that we embody truth. What I said is because from what I see you kind of treat him like a God.

What I wanted to say is that it doesn't make sense to share something that outside of your awareness. It's not okay to share something that you don't know about (I'm not criticizing, you also said so). Leo shares what he has experienced, while you share what you don't know

But why do you promote things that are beyond your level of awareness? I totally understand you by the way. I think that something that is on another lever of my awareness can greatly help others too, but I haven't accessed that yet. So I focus on myself first, cause I don't really know what I'm talking about.

Do one thing at a time.

@Ishanga also, I understand that Sadhguru teaches about great and interesting ideas, but don't treat him like a God, he doesn't hold truth. Nobody does

@Ishanga sounds like you are also taking all this too seriously Take your own advice and laugh about all of it. You trying to preach all of that is also the game of the ego. (And my response is also the game of the ego)

Yes I get it. But it's not everywhere like that, in the Netherlands you can rent a small room and work in there. They ask a lot of money and probably something goes to the government, but not more than any other job. Of course it always depends on how things are regulated and still it's not going to be perfect

Just because you can make more money per hour as a prostitute, it doesn't mean that it's better than working in a kitchen. Maybe for you yes, but not for everyone. There are better ways to make money than working in a kitchen or as a prostitute. And if I would be in a poor country I would prefer being stuck in a kitchen than being stuck in a brothel.

I wouldn't. How is selling your body and going back to your country with half million smart? If I'm from a poor country I am deeply traumatized in many ways, and I wouldn't want myself or anyone from my family being traumatized even sexually.

In Italy, where I'm from it's legal to prostitute yourself, and it's not regularized, it's not controlled by the government. Result: women being forced to prostitute themselves, disgusting brothels where people are exploited, women getting psychologically and psychically hurt (both from the clients and the bosses), and also killed. At the end it doesn't matter if it's legal or not, the game changes and it gets better for people's lives and security when it's regularized and controlled. Of course that doesn't mean that underground prostitution fully stops, but it would be better.

Omg...

Is there anyone here who has tried all these techniques? Also, can I find somewhere online those audios they talk about in the report? I would really be interested in reading and applying everything seriously

Why then do you still want to be in touch with her? You had great courage to let go of the family (most people are not so strong to do so), then why not to let it go fully?

You should understand your mother's pov. I know it makes you angry, but telling you to go to church is an act of love. She wants the best for you, and in her mind being a Christian will help you and your life. She doesn't want to hurt you.

Chapeau 👏🏼

Nope, but will watch for sure

Yeah I agree that's why I asked that question. I imagine there some underlying unconscious thought about some things that make me feel sad.

Yeah sorry if I was vague. When I take shrooms the whole headspace I'm in feels really nature-like, wild, more earthy. With LSD everything is more electrical, and 2C-B more mechanic. But yeah as you said it's clearer when trying the psychedelic itself. This is my experience though, it might be different for you.