Lila9
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3 hours ago, Jodistrict said:Hamas published footage of the release of the israeli & thai hostages. The Hamas hosts and some of the hostages warmly embrace each other before parting.
They receive orders from Hamas in English to keep waiving and smiling, there are footages where we can clearly hear the orders. The hostages follow it because they are in fear and still have the mindset that they are at the mercy of their kidnappers, their body language screams that they want to get out of there as fast as they can.
It's all a cynical staged game of Hamas, a reality show for the mass where the villain tries to portray themselves as the good guy to the audience at home.
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8 hours ago, DawnC said:Before 7/10, Israelis genuinely thought they could make Hamas more moderate through these measures and prevent war. This approach failed miserably. It represents a significant misunderstanding of different mentalities. Essentially, it is rooted in the belief that everyone is the same in the sense that they want what you want, because we are all human. Yes, we are. So was Hitler. But you couldn't make the situation with Hitler better by improving Germany conditions.
Absolutely. This is a flaw in the western liberal thinking, that if we only pour money and let them the freedom, they will become decent human beings and everything will be good and peace and sunshine.
This is no naive, I couldn't stress enough how naive this. This is the attitude Israel had all this time and the fact that it led Israel to the October 7 attack only proves that the more Israel support Palestine, the more dangerous it will become to Israel.
People ignore the factor of ideology and stage of development.
Toxic ideology is toxic ideology is toxic ideology which can be created in good or bad conditions but thrives in good conditions in particular.
You can't really effectively negotiate and create peace with people whose ideology is to kill all of you.
There is a ceasefire but Hamas committed terror attack in Jerusalem today, Israelies have been murdered.
Again.
As people say, if Israel will put down its weapons, there will no be Israel.
If Palestinians will put down their weapons, there will be peace.
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11 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:Is the forum biased for jews?
Most of my friends who are pro Palestine and they are also right wing at other times.
This forum which was supposed to be left wing/green is pro israel.
I think this is the only issue where people are not flocking on terms of their typical ideology.
People of both sides support both Israel and Palestine.
Very interesting.
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In other news, Ethopia is all set to invade Eritrea and China is preparing to invade Taiwan.
This conflict is challenging and questioning core beliefs and values people have from both sides.
I consider myself liberal but in this conflict I don't agree with liberals. This conflict made me see more clearly flaws in the liberal thinking and hypocracy which I used to be part of. So now I'm type of hybrid or a sane liberal I guess.
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4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:Israel exists?
Thats enough.
Israel is the occupier of the arab world.
Thats is the root of the argument.
Everthing else - excuses and backward rationalisations.
I gave up trying to argue with them with logical tools.
The prefrontal cortex cannot solve the ancient brain's problems. For that they will have to give up their ego and recognize the validity of Israel's passions and fears too, and above all to recognize the root of the problem of the palestinians - their own self tyranni.
To face their problem head on and not to project it onto Israel all the time.
Totally agree.
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46 minutes ago, zazen said:You can’t even accept the occupier/occupied dynamic between Israel and Palestine.
Saying Gaza isn’t occupied because Israel withdrew is like saying a prisoner is free because the warden isn’t technically inside his jail cell.
How can anyone move on to discuss solutions if the facts of reality can’t be agreed.Is the UK government and US state department who are both Israel’s allies good enough sources to confirm firstly that Palestinians are occupied?
https://www.gov.uk/world/the-occupied-palestinian-territories/news
Isreal apologists will claim any critique coming from a non jew as anti Semitic and claim Jews like Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Mate or Gideon Levy are traitors and self hating Jews if they give any critique.
Gaza isn't occupied by Israel; it's a fact. You can think what you want, but it doesn't change this fact.
You are cherry-picking Jews you personally agree with to confirm your bias, which may be antisemitic. Just because a few Jews agree with what you think doesn't mean that you are correct.
Only because a few women out of many, agree with certain misogynistic beliefs, doesn't mean that the men who hold these beliefs are not misogynists.
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1 hour ago, LSD-Rumi said:@Lila9 I am talking about the English version of Al Jazzera. The Arabic version is pretty biased. You can check many ranking websites for its credibility and they all say it is very credible.
AJ English is the same like AJ Arabic but in English. Same bias.
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1 minute ago, LSD-Rumi said:Lol, Al-Jazeera is ranked as the one of the most unbiased news outlets and they have the strongest presence in Middle East amongst other news channels.
Also, you don't need estimates to know how much damage was caused. You can just look at the bombing that took place all month long and you would immediately know a lot of people died here.
Ranked as the one of most unbiased news outlets by whom? Hamas? lol
It's known for its anti-Israel, anti-American and antisemitic bias. AJ is directly used as a propaganda tool by Hamas to spread their narrative, this is probably the most biased news outlet there.
Wikipedia:
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1 hour ago, RoerAmit said:Before you can go to tier 2 you need to have the most unbiased facts and data resources and people here are still listening to aljazerrah and shady X or telegram accounts.
Literally.
They even don't bother to check whether the info they consum on AJ or these shady X accounts is correct. As long as it suits their bias, it's fine.
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13 minutes ago, Nivsch said:They are brutal to their own people too. If it wasn't Israel, they for sure would fight each other all day long.
This is their operating system anyway.
Yes, Arabs treat each other really bad.
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4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:Not realizing that killing 15,000 women and children because 1,500 of your people got killed is disproportionate is a serious problem.
A very serious problem is awarengly ignoring the fact that Hamas deliberately uses people in Gaza as human shields, and blaming everything on Israel.
Luckily there won't be Hamas soon.
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Just now, Twentyfirst said:So what about Nakba? You guys always seem to skeet around that part
There was a war between Jews and Arabs, Jews won. The end.
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21 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:We don't need to pick sides in this particular conflict and I'm not saying there is one right and the other wrong. It's just that there's flawed logic on both ends. Israel terrorizing Gaza is also a form of terrorism. Not much different from Hamas, just sophisticated.
The flawed logic is to equalize Hamas to IDF. They are the complete opposite of eachother by their goals, values, level of development.
If people don't know how to distinguish between an army which aims to protects its civilians and between a terrorist organization which aims to kill and destroy as much people as possible, then there is a serious problem.
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20 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:And what do you pray for after watching this?
This narrative that Palestinians have such brutal, radical Islamistic terrorist organizations who terror Israel for years just because they are occupied by Israel, and only if Israel will stop the "occupation" they will stop, is completely wrong and history proved that.
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I wish all the Israeli hostages will be released from Hamas captivity soon. I pray for them.
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Israeli women and children were kept in cages in captivity by Hamas:
https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-775480
Hostages report hunger in captivity:
https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/h1krstgh6
An Israeli boy was forced by Hamas to watch the October 7 gore videos when was in captivity:
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34 minutes ago, Nivsch said:Al jazeera combined maipulatively a picture of an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped as was a Gazaian citizen overwhelmed by the davastation there.
At first it made me laugh, the stupidly rude attempt of including this footage of an Israeli woman in suffer with the goal to imply that this was happed to a Palestinian woman by Israel, and then it made me sad because this is such a cynical usage of the pain Israelies went through (pain the AJ didn't bother to mention at all, still in these days). What also made me sad is that there are people who literally buy into this manipulation and not aware to that.
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Just now, Buck Edwards said:It's not like Palestinian prisoners are being treated any better. Look at the video posted above. It's just not what you think.
Al Jazeera is direct Hamas' propaganda tool which is loyal to Hamas' narrative only. It has no reliability.
For years, Al Jazeera is known as having an anti-Israel, anti American and antisemitic bias.
I know that Palestinian prisoners have very decent conditions, including medical care and the freedom of education.
It's better to be prisoned by Israel than being an hostage by Hamas.
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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:Yes.
If Hamas was as evil as some of you want to believe they would have killed all the hostages.
They do the bare minimum to keep them alive. The hostages who were realesed came back with 5-10 kg less weight (it's a lot for 50 days). It's not like Hamas spoils them there lol.
Hamas did execute some hostages (and blamed Israel) we don't know how much of them are still alive.
According to the evidence of the hostages who were released, Hamas threatened them with guns to their heads during their period in the captivity, including children.
They were forced to whisper and slept on chairs or on the floor.
Why Hamas keeps hostages alive? Because they can get more Palestinian prisoners (terrorists) in exchange to living hostages. Hostages who are alive has more value than dead hostages. That's it, there is no compassion or mercy, only interests.
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8 hours ago, Vrubel said:Kudos to the IDF for fighting so bravely, even with all the technological advantages at the end of the day it all comes down to basic human bravery and strength of spirit. Putting your life on the line in deadly combat in a dense city environment. Can any spoiled Westerner Imagine being 20, having lost family and friends on 7/10, and now fighting Hamas in Gaza.
They are amazing.
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Don't forget that Zionists who returned to Israel and settled were mostly non religious, atheists. If they were religious they would have wait until the masshiah comes.
Since they are not religious, they settled in Israel but not because this is what stated in the bible.
Since Judaism is not only a religion but also an ethnicity, they rebuilt a Jewish state (rebuilt because there were two Jewish states thousands years ago) in Israel because:
1. Their ancestors lived in Israel and formed themselves as an ethnical group in Israel (there are archeological evidence in Israel that supports it).
2. They suffered pogroms and persecution in both European and Muslim territories, so they did the most rational thing they could do which is to re-create a Jewish state in a land that is historically related to them. At that time Israel wasn't anyone's state, just a land, a piece of territory so they aren't "occupiers".
There was a war on the land between the Jews and the Arabs of Israel and other Arab countries and Jews won.
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A great video of Kidology about the hype around Bin Laden's letter (hour+).
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19 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:They're not big on upgrades, are they.
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This Israeli man has managed to escape Hamas captivity and got lost in Gaza while trying to find the border in order to cross it back to Israel.
Gaza people which treated by the world as separate from Hamas, have seen him and what do you think they did? Did they help him? Did they ignore him?
No, he was handed over to Hamas by the people of Gaza. What is that telling us about the people of Gaza?
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On 11/26/2023 at 8:32 PM, PurpleTree said:She tried to commit unsuccessful suecidal attack against Jews which left her alive with burned face. Al Jazeera frames it as if she were innocently driving and "suddenly" exploded, what a bs.
And people in the comments support her as if she is some hero for trying to kill Jews or treat her and many other Palestinians prisoned criminals as if they are hostages while all of them are terrorists who killed or tried to kill Jews.
Al Jazeera and its fans are never cease to surprise me with their radical distortion of reality, the antisemitism and hatred of Israel.
The real hostages are the Israeli kidnapped people including children at the age of less than a year and elderly people more than 70 years old whose only crime was to be born a Jewish in Israel.
What a crazy world.
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This former Hamas member proves how far a person can go when abandoning a toxic ideology.
People often blame Israel for the conflict, yet they don't hold Palestinians accountable for their toxic mindset, which they tightly cling to, fueling the conflict.
If Palestinians were at a stage where they challenge and question their toxic ideology, we could discuss two states, one state, or any negotiation.
It's essentially up to Palestinians and Hamas to wake up and rise above this mentality; Israel can do little in this regard.
Attempting to awaken Palestinians and Hamas by pouring money and allowing more freedom is like trying to awaken Donald Trump or Andrew Tate in a similar manner—it would only cause more harm than good.