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No matter what they are asking for, there is a way to ask. Without murdering innocents.

This is my point.

Source: ChatGPT. The claim that there was complete peace between Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the Middle East before the establishment of the State of Israel is an oversimplification. Relations among these religious groups have varied significantly across different times and places in the region’s history. Historical Context 1. Periods of Relative Harmony: • During the Islamic Golden Age (8th–13th centuries), Jews and Christians lived as “People of the Book” under Islamic rule and were generally afforded a protected status (dhimmi) in exchange for paying a special tax (jizya). While they were second-class citizens, they often experienced periods of coexistence and contributed significantly to the cultural, scientific, and economic life of Islamic empires. • In Ottoman Palestine, Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together with relatively little conflict, especially compared to Europe at the same time. However, tensions existed due to social, economic, and political disparities. 2. Periods of Tension and Conflict: • Religious differences occasionally led to violence, discrimination, and oppression. For example: • In medieval Islamic empires, outbreaks of persecution or forced conversions occurred during certain periods, depending on the ruler. • The Crusades (11th–13th centuries) brought significant violence between Christians and Muslims, and Jews also suffered during these campaigns. • Blood libel accusations against Jews and communal violence occurred sporadically in the Middle East, mirroring similar patterns in Europe. 3. 19th and Early 20th Century: • Under Ottoman rule in the 19th century, Jewish migration to Palestine increased, especially with the rise of European Zionism. This began to change the demographics and land ownership patterns, leading to growing tensions between Jews and Arabs (Muslims and Christians). • The collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the British Mandate (1917–1948) exacerbated tensions, as both Arab and Jewish nationalist movements clashed over land and self-determination. Zionism and the Establishment of Israel The rise of Zionism and the subsequent establishment of Israel in 1948 created significant changes in the region. Many Arab leaders and populations opposed the Zionist project, viewing it as a European colonial endeavor. The displacement of Palestinians during and after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War (the Nakba) deepened animosities. Summary While there were periods of coexistence and relative peace between Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the Middle East, these relations were not without tension and inequality. The notion of uninterrupted harmony before the rise of Zionism oversimplifies a complex history. However, it is true that the creation of Israel and the resulting conflicts significantly intensified divisions between these communities in the modern era.

Do you live according to the same standards you expect from others? I don’t know or familiar with many people or groups who live according to their standards in practice. whether they are Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists etc. Nobody is saint. Just because the purple person killed 2 people while the yellow one killed 3, don’t remove the fact that both are killers.

@gambler I understand, thank you. I see, an alternative to Hamas may be very unlikely because of our government. But maybe something will change with Trump. I don’t know. They talk a lot about post-war Gaza without Hamas. Ben Gvir has thrown a temper tantrum and quit because of the hostages deal and will be replaced, probably with someone similar to him.

Hopefully they will restore it. And hopefully it would be quick if they will receive lots of aid. And hopefully Hamas will be replaced with more conscious leadership which will allow them to heal.

Your pain is understandable, and your complaints are valid. But if you justify Muslim Arabs attacking innocents like children, men and women who didn’t directly cause them pain because they were poorly treated by the Western elites, then you should also justify Jews creating the Zionist movement and building a Jewish state at the expense of native Arabs because of the persecution and Holocaust they endured. You expect Jews to be better and wiser and not grab land like lunatics because they have been mistreated for decades, but you don’t expect the same from Arabs, as if they are incapable of reasoning beyond their rage. You justify their dysfunctionality, and by doing so, you actually perpetuate the stereotype of Arabs being primitive and savages beyond any help. Yes, white supremacy sucks, and Islamophobia sucks, but this classism isn’t unique to Westerners and wasn’t invented by them. This is very much a part of human nature: to be classist and racist and an oppressor. You can see this everywhere in the world, including the Middle East. There are groups of Arabs who see themselves as superior to other groups of Arabs for reasons such as X, Y, Z. I had a pen pal from Saudi Arabia, a guy with mixed Arab and African heritage, and he described to me the treatment he receives because of his skin color. It doesn’t help that he is fluent in Arabic culture and is a Muslim, and was born in Saudi Arabia, he will forever be seen as inferior to white Arabs. He has fewer opportunities in life living there, and he actually planned to leave the country. I don’t know what his life like today but there are millions like him in the Middle East, who have no voice. There are millions of men women and children and animals suffering in the Middle East. Not because they are inherently evil but because of human nature and corruption of the locals alone. The situation in Israel is similar, but it was more clear when the Jewish state was formed. The European Jews, who were persecuted by the Europeans in the diaspora, were the new elites who looked down on the Middle Eastern Jews. It has been dramatically improved, and now the ME Jews’ culture is more in the mainstream. But while the ME Jews gained more power and opportunities, it didn’t save them from looking down on the newer Jewish immigrants from the Soviet Union and Ethiopia. We may be able to remove the Western influence from the ME, but it doesn’t mean there will be peace, nor that there ever was much peace and harmony there. We can’t make the ME great again because it never was great. The history of the Middle East is full of wars, conflicts, oppression, slavery, and corruption since the dawn of time. If you read either the Bible, the New Testament, or the Quran, you would find that there were constant tensions there. Endless tensions, brutal conflicts, and belief system clashes. The most significant one was the formation of monotheism, which fought polytheism through severe demonization and brutality. The polytheists’ sacred altars were either destroyed or stolen by the monotheists. We can see this clearly in Judaism and Islam. The holiest place for Jews is not the Western Wall but the Foundation Stone. The Western Wall is part of the Jewish Temple, which protected the Foundation Stone. But before the formation of Judaism and the creation of the First Temple, this stone was worshipped by the Canaanites, who were pagans and polytheists. It was taken by the new Canaanite monotheistic religion and attributed to them. Those polytheists were forced to either join to the new formed monotheistic religion or to risk being enslaved or exiled or even killed. The same is true for the Black Stone in Mecca. Which is the holiest place for Muslims. It was an altar for the polytheists. It was an altar for the Divine Feminine and sacred sexuality, but it was taken by the new Muslim monotheistic religion and attributed to them. Not in friendly manners either. We can only imagine how much suffering and generational trauma this alone caused. And how the new former monotheist religions created delusional stories and narratives justifying this.

Another paradox to bear in mind. Only God will understand.

Yes, but also because or even mainly because secularism irritated them: seeing women dressed more provocatively, men and women dating without getting married, the bars, pubs, and clubs, and the younger generation drinking, which is forbidden in Islam.

The rise of the Islamist movements was more of a response to Arab nationalism, secularity, and modernity, which they saw as failures, than a response to external Western forces. They wanted to bring Arabs closer to Islam because they believed this was what Arab society truly needed. Later, they became radicalized, but they didn’t start out radical. They were radicalized because of Western influence, with the cooperation of leaders in the MD. Saudi Arabia leadership, for example, cooperated with the U.S. because it aligned with their own interests. Bin Laden saw this as a betrayal and a sign of corruption. He felt saddened and threatened because this Western influence represented the demise of his ideology and his vision of what the Middle East should look like.

Yes, it probably will take a life time to heal.

This is really terrifying and luckily it’s over for them 🙏

Do you mean to this video?

90 Palestinian prisoners have been released.

@Nivsch ❤️

Many of the comforts, freedoms, and values/concepts of the modern world, such as technology, social media, democracy, individuality, liberalism, equality, and human rights, are not exactly what they seem. Instead, they are tools used to make the masses believe they have received what they desire: the illusion of freedom and control over their lives as individuals. In reality, a lot less has fundamentally been changed during the history than we were taught to believe. These could be merely crumbs thrown by the elites to anesthetize the masses, keeping them too comfortable and asleep and complacent to be motivated to create change. Without these crumbs, lies, and fabrications, people would likely be driven to rebel and overthrow the elites, as has happened a few times throughout history (and ended up tragically with more control wars and suffering). However, the elites appear to have realized that the most effective way to maintain their power and prevent rebellion is to convince the masses that they are already free and not enslaved. They made feudalism covert rather than overt. Many questions arise such as, do humanity, billions of people need the elites? Can they live without the elites? Are the masses dependent on the elites? Are the elites dependent on the masses? Is this a symbiotic relationship or an explosive relationship? Is there a replacement to the elites? Could elites be conscious and spiritually developed without losing their power? Or knowing and working in maintaining their power is so essential to them continue being elite that they compromise their individual, consciousness and spiritual development? Can we ever transcend this order? If so, what humanity would look like?

China and Qatar gift U.S. universities money, literally millions, without any hidden interests? Without expecting anything in return? Difficult to believe. Were the professors who got fired for criticizing Israel, were fired only because they were criticizing Israel? Also difficult to believe. There are so many people protesting for Palestine and holding Palestinian flags. Do all of them end up with ruined careers? Difficult to believe. Organizations have limited resources such as money, time and men power so they must allocate it wisely. They can’t afford targeting any kid with a Palestinian flag. One has to be more provocative and do more than simply holding a Palestinian flag to be worth targeting.

The first 3 Israeli hostages have been released.

The biggest universities in the US receive donations from countries such as China and Qatar, very likely to promote their agenda, which is likely antisemitic, anti-Western, and pro-Hamas under the guise of wokeness and progression. Students in those universities end up being brainwashed by these “woke” agendas without any real attempt to foster truthful discussion and reach deeper, more nuanced understanding and truth, as should be the goal in an educational system. So, I am not surprised by the existence of organizations like Canary Mission. This is valid. Whether their accusations against the people they accuse of Nazism and Antisemitism are valid or not, it is difficult to find reliable and genuinely unbiased data online. But it’s also important to bear in mind that the Nazism and Antisemitism of today have been evolved and are more sneaky and covered because of the political correctness.

I have watched it. Loved it. I had two major encounters with extraterrestrials in my dreams. The first dream was about 2 or 3 years ago, and the second was a few months ago. Both dreams felt externally real, my senses were super sharp, and I was very awake and conscious in those dreams compared to other dreams. Those were more like spontaneous astral projections rather than regular dreams. In both dreams, I was very frightened by the encounters. In the first dream, a round-shaped UFO came directly to my window and communicated with me through telepathy. The voices inside the UFO were radiating so much love toward me, but I was so afraid of the UFO and its energy that I immediately closed the window and woke up. In the second dream, I saw UFOs hovering in the sky with green lights and felt a strong alien presence, as if something was standing very close to me and I could feel its breath. I caught a glimpse of the shadow of a hominid for a split second, and I was so terrified that I couldn’t bear it. I thought I was about to go mad because it felt so real. My monkey mind couldn’t handle it, it was so difficult to tolerate. Their energy was completely different, something out of this world. Those dreams left me completely restless, especially the first one. Before the first dream, I had never thought about extraterrestrials seriously. But since then, I feel like I have so many unanswered questions and so much curiosity that I can’t satisfy because there isn’t much tangible information about them.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/culture/article-838138

@Hatfort This is tragedy, undeniably to the Palestinian Arabs. But how can the European Jews could act otherwise? How could they build a state without offending anyone? Was it even possible?

Yes, Palestinian Arabs didn’t directly displace Middle Eastern Jews but other Arabs did force them to leave and literally deported them. This cannot be denied. They lost their homes as well. It may have played to the European Jews Zionists agenda but it wasn’t necessary orchestrated by them. The war was between not only Palestinian Arabs and Jews but it also included other Arabs countries across Middle East and North Africa.

I don’t know if displaced is the correct term, maybe deported after Israel won the war is a more accurate description.

I see. But this land was a land, not a country. It’s not like Russia invading Ukraine. There were Arab natives in this land, of course, who were very reluctant to share it. Valid. But there are natives everywhere, in any place in the world. If the European Jews did the same in Africa, then there were other natives paying the price. But if this was in Africa or any other place, then this was less justified because the connection of Jews to Africa is not as recent as their connection to Israel. Around 700000 Arabs were displaced during the 1948 war and the same amount of Middle Eastern Jews were displaced from their homes as well, so they are equal.