Lila9

I see, but I don't understand why you think that I am arguing with you? I also didn't say that you claimed those things, I merely shared my view as part of the discussion. Your experience is very valid, and I am not here to deny it or attack you. Just because I have different views or experiences doesn't mean that I am dismissing yours. I am sorry if you feel attacked, but please rest assured that this is the last thing I want.

It may depend on the role, but many times attractive women are perceived as less competent and face discrimination, especially in more "masculine" jobs which usually have higher pay. Though there are jobs in which attractiveness is favored, such as the beauty industry, modeling, and fashion etc.

I don't like to rely solely on my appearance to achieve things. I value hard work, authenticity, truth, and genuine connection above all the social shallowness and manipulation. This feels fake and is not part of who I am. Beauty fades at some point, and I don't want to be too attached to it so that when it fades, I will not feel that sad or powerless. But I don't judge women who use it to gain status or power because life is already difficult, especially for women. We are highly judged on our appearance so it only rational to use it for our benefit if we can. With all the advantages, beauty is a double-edged sword and attracts unwanted attention, judgment, projection, harrasment, hatred, isolation, and objectification. It is not all good, at least from my experience and from observing other women. Beauty doesn't protect us from misogyny and systemic oppression.

Cool. I am glad that this is your experience.

Hahaha

Do they support pretty women even past their 30s without expecting anything in return or causing any misery in the women’s lives? What saints.

What forms? Do they include selling the body or soul?

Just 50s? Why not until 90s? Or 100?

Being physically attractive does not ensure wealth, stability, opportunity, or freedom from hardship. Financial outcomes are influenced by many other factors, such as family background, education, location, health, social connections, discrimination, and luck.

Are there desires that you don't emptize with? Or can't emptize with?

As I said it depends on what desires.

I shared only from my lived experience. I may be unaware of my privillage, yet my live experience is real and valid and worth sharing. I don’t understand what you mean. Can you give me an example?

Depending on what desires? Do I have to empathize with all the desires of all people? Will God strike me with lightning if I won’t?

What about him?

Yes, understanding the psychology of sexual offenders is one thing. There is such a thing as intellectual empathy. One can understand the psychological mechanisms that may have led someone to become a sexual offender (like childhood trauma) in an attempt to heal it, maybe, and prevent this behavior, which is very important and beneficial. I also agree that not everyone who targets children sexually does so from a mere sexual desire or attraction toward a minor, and many times it is just a form of violence and control. I am just being honest when I say that I do not have empathy toward men (or women) who have sexual desires for children just because they have sexual desires for children. This does not raise any feelings of empathy in me. Nor compassion. I simply don't care. As long as they keep it to themselves and don't harm children. I can empathize with their difficult childhood, with their mental health issues, with them struggling to have their basic needs like food or shelter met, or any other struggles. But not sexual desires for children. Same, I cannot emotionally empathize with psychopaths who have the desire to kill Just because they have the desire to kill.

The result is that you just don’t want to be men but rather whining victims, not because of feminists and women, as you like to blame, but because of yourselves and the self-destructive system you support.

I responded to the assumption of men that pretty women somehow escaped patriarchal oppression, dehumanization, mistreatment, and objectification, and gained some ultra-unique privilege above all humans just because they are pretty. Where did I say that attractive women have it worse than unattractive women? Can you please show me when I wrote it? Kindly refer to my previous posts in which I addressed how women who are perceived as unattractive are treated:

People have viewed me as pretty since childhood, and I never received the ultra privilege men are talking about. In some aspects, my life was easy, but I have also suffered a lot because of my appearance. I suffered so much that I tried to intentionally uglify myself. I have a lived, direct experience as a pretty girl. Every “free gift” came with expectations and interest. No one likes you for who you are, and nobody cares about who you are either.

No. It assumes that feminism is automatically hated because women are hated. There is a distinction between criticism and hatred. The quote refers to hatred.

The average OnlyFans model earns $180 per month. Also, when there are women in society who would sell their bodies, this says a lot about the poverty and lack of decent opportunities women have to earn money.

The men who fight in wars and do dangerous jobs are often very young or poor. Everyone “benefits” from their labor, especially the rich, who are mostly men. I value men who do difficult work and wish they were better protected. I’m tired of hearing about construction workers dying because safety is sacrificed for profit. If most wealth and resources are hoarded by men, they should eventually be shared. If men don’t want the burden of being a provider, then they should support equal pay for women, including for their invisible labor. Women also carry leadership burdens at home, but this labor is invisible. Also, men push women out of leadership roles due to bias. Women often get custody simply because many men don’t ask for it. Raising children is labor, and if men don’t want to raise the children they helped bring into the world, the least they can do is pay alimony. Society often excuses men’s sexual irresponsibility while judging women for the same.

No, I already sent you the meaning of matriarchy in other topic. This is not about women on top. This more about more egalitarian society that doesn't repress the feminine energy. That solves the issues people are dealing with in the modern world like loneliness and mental health. You insist that this is something that it isn't. Have you even took a look or you just automatically respond without thinking? This is normal for kids to be curious playful and experimental. I also "killed" dolls because I simply disliked them they brought me the uncanny valley effect and scared me. But it doesn't mean that I see humans as mere objects and treat them like that. Abundance of sex? Sure, but what type of sex? Mediocre to low quality, with the potential for abuse, pregnancy, and disease. However, if you talk about intimate relationships with men, it is not easy for women to find men who are really open enough and mature enough to love them for who they are. Beautiful women often get a lot of hate from both men and women because of fear and jealousy. People assume that because a woman is beautiful, her life is extremely easy. This is true to some extent, but it also has many downsides. I recommend watching the movie Malèna, starring Monica Bellucci, to understand the downsides and the loneliness of being a beautiful woman. People love you for your appearance, but nobody cares about your soul. Women want to hurt you, and men want to be with you only to signal status among other men and raise their own self-esteem. Dating is hard for everyone in this capitalistic, neoliberal, individualistic, and patriarchal society, not for men in particular. I think that men push back toward “traditional” patriarchal gender roles because those benefited men more. Women don’t accept them because they have the freedom not to. Men want women to regress and lose their freedom and autonomy in order to control women and maintain their male privilege, but women want equality and connection. When men lose their privilege of thousands of years, it feels like a loss, while actually it is a win-win for both genders. But many men are too myopic and selfish to see that. I was being sarcastic to demonstrate how silly it is to think that men care more about the truth. Some people care about the truth, others don’t, regardless of their gender. Have you ever read at least one feminist book? As a feminist, I want men to finally take accountability and grow through challenges, but many men don’t want this. They want to remain toxic, lost in their lust and victim delusions, preferring an easy and convenient life with a small and insecure woman who never challenges them and always serves them. They want to do harmful things to their loved ones and other people without taking accountability. They want children, but they can’t tolerate raising them or being a proper father figure. Does that sound familiar? I would suggest to view feminism as a force of nature, resisting an artificial and abusive structure called patriarchy. Mother nature has her fights, nothing harmful goes without a backlash. “Feminism is hated because women are hated. Antifeminism is a direct expression of misogyny; it is the political defense of woman hating.” ― Andrea Dworkin, Right-Wing Women

I am sorry (not really), but I am not "spiritual" enough to have empathy or compassion for the sexual urges of a pedophile toward a child. I am more concerned with people not having compassion for abused children.

Thank you for sharing. I will listen to this when I have the time, and I may add some notes later.

This is on my reading list 😊