Lila9

Lol, you compare Arabs in Israel to Jews in a concentration camp. This is so disconnected from reality and doesn't respect holocaust survivors who actually were in concentration camps nor Arabs in Israel who live decently, with religious freedom and better than most Arabs in the world. Additionally, it's more difficult for Arabs in Israel to admit how good their lives in Israel are since Arabs in the world and even radicals in their community can see this as betrayal. This is your problem that you don't take it seriously, only because you believe in some delusional reality of Arabs in Israel due to your bias and demonization of Israel without spending one day in Israel, doesn't mean it's the truth.

They have problem with Hamas and their leadership as well. If someone is occupying them is their leaders. The main reason for 7 October attack or any attack on Israel, by Hamas Hezbollah, Iran or whatever country in the ME is antisemitism. It's stated in Hamas doctrine that their goal is to eliminate Jews. Not only Israel, not Zionists, but Jews. Like Hitler. When someone hate Jews because they are Jews, which is irrational by itself, it cannot be understood rationally. The cause and effect rule doesn't apply in this case. They attack Jews because they hate them and want to eliminate them. That's it. It's not even close to the hatred Palestinian children are raised towards Jews. It's literally integrated in their school program. They are humans, developed doesn't mean perfect. It's better to live in a developed country rather than in not so developed. It's better and safer for Muslims to live under a Jewish leadership rather than for Jews under a Muslim leadership.

This is not true, you selectively choose people in Israel who expressed it, some PM of Israel 70 years ago and some radical settler but history proves Israel doesn't care about having two states as long as it promises peace. Israel gave up on Sinai for peace with Egypt and Israel gave up on Gaza for peace with Palestine. Is that work? No, instead of investing in Gaza and WB and building a beautiful state of Palestinian, they invested in weapon against Israel. Israel doesn't remove the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the Jewish temple there was prior to the mosque, only because it values peace with the Arab world. Even though this place considered the holliest place for Jews and only the 3rd holiest place for Islam. Prior to attack, Israel tried to form Peace with Saudia. Israel is the most peaceful state in the ME region.

Young people usually immigrate to US or Europe for education purposes. And the rest... why would they immegrate? Most of them are Muslims who love their culture, their country and living around Muslims, they are not fond of the west and western values, especially the older generations. They would tolerate curropted leadership and less human rights and democracy rather than starting everything in a new country and living as a foreigner in a new country with secularism, LGBTQ and feminism, women with short pants and transgenders which doesn't suit their values. If they have no problem with Israel governing them, why you should have a problem? So Hamas is stage green? Gotcha. Now seriously, for the Arab world to evolve to green they should first integrate orange, you know, science, accepting the evulotion theory, logic, human rights and individual freedom over religion. But they are still very deep into Islam and dismissive of evolution, the idea that we are family with monkeys is probably triggering for the majority of them. Israel is really developed in comparison to the Arab world. And if the Arab world should give up on Israel it's not necessarily because Israel is more developed but more because Muslim Arabs have so much territory.

The Palestinian authority never wanted or believed in two state solution. This is their core value in their doctrine, they wouldn't compromise on less than 100%. That is why they will never be satisfied with Gaza and the WB alone and will keep doing attacks on Israel until they get 100% of the land. There is a change of two states if there will be a paradigm shift in the Palestinian consciousness, to accept the right of Jews to have a Jewish country in the Jewish historical land and stop fighting and trying to kill Jews. Then it will be possible to negotiate some peaceful solution. Otherwise it would be suicidal of Israel to negotiate such thing with someone that antisemitic.

Most Arabs countries are suck for living due to lack in democracy, development, liberalism and human rights. It's not unique to Palestinians in Gaza or WB which means it's not Israel to blame. People who really know how Arabs live in the middle east claim that Palestinians in Gaza and WB have life quality similar to most Arabs in Arab countries, and even better.

That's one of the reasons why the term "occupation" in relation to Israel is absurd.

Many people who have never been in Israel and don't know where Israel is even located on the map, say: "Israel is an apartheid state." Arabs in Israel:

B e a u t i f u l .

The last videos of hostages Hamas released, show that the hostages were alive when Hamas took them and Hamas executed them in the captivity. They literally show a person alive in a video and then its dead body. This is so sick and brutal. And people literally justify this cruelty and see this as legitimate "resistance".

Islam is a religion and like many religions it's suffecating, misogynist, hypocratic, self righteous, ignorant. I have respect to any religion but I don't want any religion to control the world, I don't want to live under Muslim Shriiet, I don't want to be forced to it. I don't like the fact that there are Muslim terrorists like Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood who believe that everybody must to be a Muslim and they would kill innocents just because they are not Muslims.or not following Islam rules. This is scary to be surrounded by people who prefer you dead than non-Muslim. I don't care them practicing Islam peacefully and leave others alone. In fact, moderate Muslims many times are kind and generous people. The Arab and the Muslim culture has beautiful and intresting aspects in it, if we ignore the toxic and the religious dogma. I also love the mystical Islam, the Sufism, this is a very wise, beautiful and inspiring for me personally. But I don't love the fact that the Arab Muslim world doesn't like Jews and Israel, I don't see a rational reason for that, only primitive and religious. I don't understand why they can't allow one Jewish country to exist while they have so many land to be Muslim and practice Islam. This is the the aspect in Islam that I don't like, the belief that Islam is superior to everything and that everyone should be a Muslim. They want Europe and America to be that way at the end, they don't appreciate that people have the right and the soverty to believe in what they want to believe and that not believing in Islam doesn't make you some bad person who deserves death.

Definitely 😉

Also there are many 'Palestinians' who are Egyptians, Jordanians. Arafat, the first leader of what is called PNA was born and grew up in Egypt. Because Palestinians never had real nationalistic intentions, as you said, they define themselves as Palestinians against the Jews in Israel but in reality they see themselves as part of the Arab world in the middle east, like part of some big Arab tribe. So if they are under the Jordanian or Egyptian occupation that would be fine for them. Even their flag is not different from other Arab flags. The Palestinian flag is the old flag of Jordan. In order to have really nationalistic intentions a group needs to be at least orange in SD and the Palestinians as a group are not there yet. Their excuse in fighting Israel is that they want to have soverty as a nation, but actually their Muslim Arab pride was hurt because Jews won them in the war and they cannot accept the lost against Jews.

I love Israel. I know many people love to hate Israel. But Israel always was strong and advanced depiste all the haters. And it will be so. They think that the more they hate on Israel, the faster it will be ruined. But the truth is that their hatred around the world fuels Israel to be even better and stronger. Which causes them to hate Israel even more, which makes Israel even more better and stronger 🙈

There is anti Israel and antisemitism from all the spiral, it's not limited to a particular stage. Jews are also an ethnic group, not only a religious group. This is why there are secular Jews who can be nationalist, aka, Zionists.

Ok, so Israel won the war against the Arabs of Israel and other Arab countries in 1948. Is that mean that the abuse in form of terror towards Israeli civilians is justified because of that? But there are black Jews in Israel, there are Jews of all kinds. So what? I know there are 9 million+ Jews who say that Jews do belong to Israel.

Zionism was created by secular, non religious Jews. No it's not. The comparison of Zionism to ISIS or Taliban is ridiculous. Zionism has more in common with European nationalist movements. Islamic countries are much more religious and radical than Israel. Israel is hated mainly because of irrational antisemitism.

Israel is making fun of BBC news bias, again 😂

Israel is making fun of BBC bias, so accurately 😂

Zionism is a national Jewish movement. Is Palestinian nationalism acceptable but Jewish not? They don't do that because Hamas are not nationalists, if they were they would attack soliders and institutions only and wouldn't do this religious weird "Allah Akbar" gestures. They are a religious movement first and foremost, they use the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to achieve their radical Islamic vision.

They are Muslim countries, based on Islam, not Christianity not Judaism or other religion. Many of them may not be religious by the book but it doesn't remove the fact that their official religion is Islam. ISIS wanted Islamic stated under the Sharia law, religious Islamic state under their dictatorship. Jews are historically connected to Israel, this is cannot be denied. Israel is more Jewish than Arabic, historically and archeologically. This is why it's important for Jews to be in Israel and not in other land, so people won't claim they don't belong to there. Europe proved Jews they don't belong there. You say that Israel belong to the Muslim Arabs like the entire middle East, and not to the Jews. If Jews have been settled in Africa, someone would have said they don't belong to Africa. If Jews have been settled in America, someone would have said they don't belong to America. It never ends... You see the problem? The problem is not Jews but the hatred of them and lack of acceptance of them. Even as the legit citizens in a land that it's proven to be historically related to them. The fact that the existence of Israel aligns with US interests doesn't mean that it's bad and Israel has stop to exist. This is not completely true. Jews paid high taxes and lived under Islamic leadership which always saw them as inferior to Muslims and betrayed them a lot.

Access to the sea and having the land may be one of the outcome of their presence in Gaza but it's not their main goal or something that they would bother to sacrifice soliders for. If they really wanted that they would have already done that. Historically they had no problem in giving land if it's ensures peace, like when they gave Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to Palestinians. He won Nobel peace price because of the Oslo agreement with Rabin but it doesn't remove the fact that he was a founder of Fatah which committed terror crimes mainly in form of suicidal bombers against Israeli civilians since 1965. I don't know about that, I know that it was found that she was active in a secret group of Hamas supporters.

If people supporting Palestinians without criticizing or condomning Hamas, not only because of the massacre in Israel but also for their treatment of the Palestinians, the usage as human shields, the brutal way they execute Palestinians for arbitrary reasons, this silence seen as agreement and support of Hamas. It seems that people who support Palestine, hate Israel more than they love the Palestinian people, because if they would loved them, they would be happy to get rid of Hamas and replace it with more advanced and moderate leadership, more democratic one who is pro human rights. You can, people say it all the time. It's seen as the most humanitarian thing to say and people who think otherwise seem like cold-blooded fashists. "Just make a ceasefire and all this will be solved" comes from lack of understanding of the conflict. If the solution was that simple as just making a ceasefire, it has been already ended. People can say whatever they want, people always have opinions about everything. You have the freedom to criticize someone and think about him whatever you think, and this someone has the freedom to criticize you and think about you whatever he thinks. The western society can be secure, democratic and liberal as long as it condemns terror and brutal violence. Once it stops doing that and starts to justify solving problems with terror, it ceased to be liberal secure and democratic. Even in the most democratic country there must to be principals like banning incitement to terrorism to grantee that the country will keep being secure, democratic and liberal. As country with liberal values, like human rights, thrives in secure and democratic condition and not in violent and non secure dictatorship. The western country has no clue if the intentions of a civilian living in its territory, who says that Hamas is a valid resistance movement, says that because he actuality supports terror and is going to commit the next terror attack on the Jews community near his house, or aspires others to do that, or he is naively saying that out of ignorance. This usually ignored if this is someone anonymous but if it's someone known like someone who works in the US parliament, it's problematic to allow them claiming that Hamas are not terrorists as they will affect others to believe that brutally killing innocent Israeli people is legitimate way to achieve goals.

He was also a terrorist. Palestinians never had a moderate leadership, all the leaders, whether it's openly or not openly, believed in terror and violence against Jews to claim the land. Hamas is just the most extreme but it doesn't mean that others leaders didn't encourage terrorism. She supports Hamas and this is the reason she was kiked out. Were they upset that a woman who supports a group of terrorists kiked out from the USA Parliament? Weird. It only confirms their ignorance in regards of Hamas.

Hamas: "We will keep attacking Israel again and again"