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@DefinitelyNotARobot I appreciate your nuanced perspective.

This is not the same. I don't think that everyone should now leave and claim the territory where their grandfather used to live. But Israel was in unique situation, persecuted people, after holocaust who went to a land connected to them historically and by blood, there wasn't any country there at that time yet, only the British mandate, so they did what they could to built a their country for themselves. Is the execution was perfect? Hell no. Is anyone's execution of building a country is perfect? Mostly not. Is this was that popular at the news with people around the world calling it genocide? I don't know, I didn't live when it happened but I guess that most people in the world weren't aware to that.

I agree, citisicm from the West is valid. The expectations are valid as well. However, when I see antisemitic attacks around the world, I doubt that people can differentiate between Israel and Jews, in my intuition, it seems that they ride on this war to fuel their antisemitism even more and because of that, they are throwing a triminology that wouldn't be thrown so easily if it was another country in Israel's place.

Israel is very traumatized and some leaders talk impulsively because they themselves feel surprised and lost. It doesn't mean that they actually commit genocide. What about Hamas threats for years to kill Jews and eliminate Israel? What about Iran's threats for years? What about Hezbollah threats, for years? They do this for years and nobody cares.

This is another example that confirms, ironically, the existence of a positive correlation between the denial of evolution and the display of behavior reminiscent of classical primitive primates. This is in no way intended to insult primates, after all, we are all part of the same family.

Yes, but on the grant scale, there was a Jewish kingdom on this land, in the biblical days, in the days of Jesus, +2000 years ago, much before there were Muslim Arabs, and these Jews used to be the natives and were expelled from this land twice and return to it on the third time in the help of Zionism. So this is not the classical case of a strong empire who occupies a forgein land but people who have history in the land which their ancestors were expelled from and returned to this land to build a safe place for themselves after they experienced the horrible Holocaust, after they realized that they cannot return to the world that allowed the Nazis to burn them and kill them in the most horrific ways, as nothing bad ever happened. And I disagree that Israel does genocide in Gaza, Israel is not interested in killing Palestinians for the sake of it, it doesn't want to eliminate Arabs or Muslims, but only terrorists like Hamas who commiting crimes against it. People call it genocide because it's Israel, and the majority of people are intellectually lazy and automatically connect Israel with Judaism. And those who are antisemitic, would look close on everything that Israel does and exaggerate it, every action, and create fiction stories, and spread lies upon lies only to fuel their antisemitism and/or Islamic supermisty. If this conflict was between Arabs only, no one would called it genocide, or occupation, but war.

They shouldn't live at all. Give all the land to Palestinians and commit a collective suicide. This is probobly the only way Palestinians would have been satisfied. Fuck facts. Israel is an Apartheid.

All those definitions are wrong and are thrown because it's Israel. If it was Egypt or Jordan in conflict with Palestine, instead of Israel, no one would gave a shit.

Yes, this is the mentality. They are raised with this mentality of radical hatred for Jews and Israel. Many people don't understand this.

How can one perform those surgical solutions if Hamas places their basements in tunnels under hospitals and schools? What else can Israel do? Israel has already instructed the people there to evacuate. Is Israel responsible for the fact that they are not evacuating (due to Hamas orders and death threats)? I personally don't know if what Israel is doing now is the right way to eliminate Hamas or if there is a better way to do so, or if it's even possible. I think that things will become clearer with time. I also agree that killing innocent civilians is not okay, and it's a tragedy on its own. I feel for both sides when it comes to children and non-combatants who have nothing to do with this. But it's also hard for me to believe the propaganda from the Palestinian side and accept this narrative as the only truth. It's difficult to believe that Israel killed 2000 children with bombs in two days. It's hard for me to believe that they bombed them without warning and time to escape. It's hard to believe that Hamas did all they could to protect them and not use them as shields. It's also hard to believe that this is the actual number, that they have already identified 2000 bodies of bombed children in two days. The process of identifying bodies takes some time, not two days, especially if they are rescued from under the demolished buildings. Anyway, regardless of the number, it's a tragedy that these children were born into such a life, in such a situation, with adults who put them in harm's way instead of protecting them and an army that bombs their towns for crimes they didn't commit. "The Son of Hamas," whose father was one of Hamas' founders and who knew them very closely, elaborated on how Hamas cynically uses children and civilians. He also talked about the general mindset that these people are raised with under Hamas leadership. The general mindset is to blame Israel for everything, including their poor conditions that could be improved if the leadership weren't so corrupt. He said that Palestinians and other Arab countries should take Israel as an example rather than blindly hating it. It's a good interview.

It looks pretty reliable to me. More than Hamas for sure.

Country with a long history for Jews is not a weak foundation. Do you know what holocaust is? How come is that Palestinians are increasing in numbers every year and not decreasing? Definitely. They are crazy. Reliability level: the earth is flat.

I don't think this mentality is necessary but this is because I have fantasy in my mind that all the people regardless their race or beliefs, are living with eachother without borders. While in fact, humanity isn't there yet, it's not peaceful and conscious enough for such global ideas. There is definitely economical globalization and globalization of information but having globalization in practice, with humanity living peacefully as a one united tribe without borders, with no danger to any culture in particular... we are far from there. The history of Jews taught them that they must have their own country and it seems still relevant today because there is still lots of antisemitism in the world. Humanity scapegoated a few cultures and one of them is the Jewish culture.

Yes, bombed by Hamas, the irresponsible and toxic adults who should take care of them but instead...

Israel doesn't kill innocent civilians on purpose, they are not driven by such ideology. They fight against terrorists which are Hamas and not against Palestinians. I watched IDFs declare and they explain the systematic usage of Hamas of sensitive places like hospitals, they included illustration of the tunnels located under these places and the entire underground system where the control rooms of Hamas are. Very informative. https://youtu.be/-ggBF9rnBe0?si=_QUzjZC7N4NpkJE4

Israel has the right to have its own safe place, especially the place that its people historically rooted in for thousands of years. No terror is justified against Jews or Israel. Terror is never justified.

Don't you see how minimum Hamas does to protect Palestinians? They not only do nothing, they are actively pushing Palestinians to death by using them as a human shield, isn't this a war crime? Israel at least does attempts to evacuate people from the places it would like to bomb because of Hamas' presence in them. But what Hamas tell to their people? Do they tell to their people "leave, we will fight alon in defending you"? No. They tell people "stay" and they kill people who dare to escape. Which is insane. Hamas with all its fortune and money could make Gaza like a sweet candy, literally make some decent place and yet, they chose to be curropted bastards when their leadership having luxury life in Qatar with billions in their bank accounts while their people living poor, and not because of Israel as Israel doesn't even occupy Gaza. Don't you see how they mistreat their own people and push them to die in the name of Allah and the religious ideology of freeing Al Aqsa and as a human shield to be used cynically? So why to blame Israel for all the problems in Gaza but close eyes to what Hamas, the ones who supported to protect them, do? What they do to defend them? Their own people? And no, killing innocent Israeli civilians in psychotic ways is not defending, it's out of nowhere attacking. Attacking and consciously knowing that Israel will attack back. Attacking from Gaza, from a place of pure hatred for Jews and the will to eliminate them, from a place of radical delusional Islamic views, and not because they are occupied or repressed as the attack came from the non occupied territory. And no, lunching rockets on Israeli children and innocent population is not defending themselves, it's a terror and war crime. War should be between soldiers. The soldiers in Israel would rather die in defending their people than using them as shields. It's not something that can be said about Hamas.

Israel doesn't operate like that. It isn't bloodthirsty or fueled by some radical agenda to kill all the Arabs in the world or something. It's just a nation who loves themselves more than they hate anyone. Unlike Palestinians and Arabs there who hate Jews/Israel more than they love themselves. If Israel was a type of a country that commits genocide, there were no Palestinians and no Arabs in Israel, period. Because everyone would have been already dead by Israel. But there are. Hamas literally risks the lives of Palestinians, and they don't care much about it, they would lunch rockets on Israel non stop with the awarness that some percentage of it will hurt their own people. If it hurts their own people they will use it cynically to blame Israel and to appear more of victims in front of the fools who buy their stories. Why are you closing your eyes to Hamas terrorism against Israel the and betrayel of their own people? Do you support Hamas?

1. It's a bit complex to fight with Hamas while they hide in populated places, with their tunnels located under civilian buildings. I've heard that there are tunnel openings in many residential homes in Gaza. 2. It's also difficult to determine who supports Hamas and who doesn't. There is evidence that during the October 7th attack, when the terrorists crossed the border, many Gaza civilians entered with the intent to steal property, take people as hostages, and kill. 3. While Hamas paraded the bodies of the Israeli people they had killed, the civilians of Gaza were the ones who praised them and threw sweets at them. 4. I don't believe that Israel wants to kill civilians, even if they support Hamas, just for the sake of killing them. It appears that Israel's focus is on Hamas terrorists themselves and it happens that they locate themselves among civilian areas because they show little regard for their own people. 5. I've heard that while Israel issued announcements requesting that Gaza people living on the northern side of Gaza evacuate to the south before bombing it, Hamas issued announcements in South Gaza requesting them to evacuate to the north. Hamas also blocked the roads leading to South Gaza and even targeted people who were on their way to the South. 6. I'm confident that a significant percentage of the bombings and civilian casualties in Gaza are caused by Hamas and other terrorists themselves, and they often try to shift the blame onto Israel, as they did with the hospital incident.

Intresting phenomena. Do you think it's more likely for them to regress to blue/blue-orange (in their political views and maybe also in general) or to evolve to yellow (by integrating less naive and more nuanced view on the conflict and some possible solutions to it) after the terror attack? Do you personally believe that praying as a group could make such impact? How do you explain that? Do you think that peace is a realistic solution? I think that the Israel-Palestine conflict proved that it's impossible. What do you think Israel should do to in order to garantee peace with Palestine?

Horrible.

I'm realistic. In Arab world Israel should speak Arabic. Facts prove that the nicer Israel, the more attacks it gets from Hamas aka ISIS. They literally savages and if you can't see this but only justify terrorists who killed innocent Israeli people, something is very wrong with you. I've never seen Israeli soliders parading naked Palestinian women with thousands of Israeli people praising them on the streets. I've never seen Israeli people burning Palestinian flag and screaming "death to Palestine" There is no evidence of Israeli soliders raping Palestinian women, cutting stomachs of pregnant women and chopping body parts of Palestinian people and uploading it on TikTok. This is unique to Hamas/ISIS. Why you justify it? Is that a conscious way to free Palestine?

People don't understand that in Israel's situation, there is no such thing as not occupying Palestine and being safe. It's either occupying Palestine and being secure or not occupying it and being subjected to the most horrific ways of murder. Where did Hamas horrible attack come from? Did it come from the occupied area or not? Of course it came from the non occupied area where Palestinians have free hand and guess what? All those who think that if Israel would only not occupy the West Bank, everything will be good and peaceful are severely deluded. If they are not deluded and understand that non-occupation would lead to the murder of innocent Israeli civilians and still support non-occupation, they are literally antisemitic.

This is a very good take. People don't understand that Israel doesn't have the privilege to not occupy the west bank. This occupation is essential for Israel's security, it ensures that terrorists from Palestine wouldn't murder innocent Israeli civilians. As long as this is the Palestine's level of development, it's better to occupy them and be safe and alive rather than not to occupy them and be killed by terrorists in the most horrific ways.

Muslims have Kaaba in Mecca as their most sacred place, they pray to the direction of it. While Al Aqsa is built upon ancient Jewish temples that are sacred for Jews. At that time when it happened to the Jews it was terrible for them as well, that Muslims built a mosque on their Jewish sacred temples, it's horrible. This is Jews holiest place much before it was Muslim, it's like Kaaba/Mecca for Jews so religious Jews definitely won't leave it soon if ever. Better for Muslims to realize the truth history of this place and live it to the Jews. Building a mosque upon a Jewish most sacred place was arrogant thing to do, what was the reason for that if not their belief that they are superior to the Jews?