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@Something Funny What you don't understand is that Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians and that they are using them as human shields. They literally murdered Palestinians who listened to Israel request to evacuate to save their lives. Yet, you blame Israel only. But that's ok, keep protecting Hamas, keep justifying it. You and people who think like you are the real enemies of Palestinians, you just don't understand it because you are so obsessed with hating Israel.

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Of course, every crime against Jews is justified. Let's eliminate them and kill all of them because they dared to build a country to save themselves from Nazis. Antisemitism is on raise. It never really disappeared.

That's why I fear "free Palestine". Imagine replacing a country like Israel with these humane values with an ISIS-Hamas dictatorship. Nightmare.

The October 7 massacre map: https://oct7map.com/

Yes, Hamas is ISIS. Wake up. They carry with them ISIS flags, they hold ISIS ideology dear to their hearts, they did ISIS like crimes in innocent people on the 7th of October. If in the past there was a doubt, now there isn't. Hamas use Palestinians cynically to reach their ultimate goal which equals to the goal of ISIS and Nazis. Hamas are a religious movement, they are Islamists who want Palestine to be under the Islamic Shriiet instead of democracy. They don't care about human rights, women rights, animals rights, LGBTQ++ rights, they are antisemitic who would like to eliminate Jews. They do care about free Palestine and Al Aqsa from the sinners in the name of Allah, even if it means to die as "shaids" and sacrifice innocent civilians on the way. They don't value life, they don't value human life, they value death. They chase homosexuals and execute them. They kill their sisters, mothers and wives when if they don't follow the Shriiet rules, they see people who took lives of innocent people as heroes. And then after they reach this goal of "free Palestine" they are going to fight with everyone else and it would be expressed in suicide bombers in LGBTQ clubs in Europe i.e. And another dictatorship in the middle east, more war, more death, more radicalized middle east. You blindly and unawarengly, out of your naivity (not only yours) support more devilry in the world if you really believe that they do what they do to make a better life in Palestine and live peacefully there. With all the billions they are holding, they could have done such a good life in Gaza and maybe even in the West Bank if they weren't a red terrorist organization, per Spiral Dynamics and this, every person with good understanding of SD, on this forum can easily see.

I'm not Jewish and I agree with you. I always was curious about why people hate or dislike Jews and I found that the reasons are pretty irrational like jealousy, annoyance that they call themselves "the chosen", racist reasons and in general, huge projection. The comments on this thread and in this forum prove the irrationally of the hatred. Antisemitic people are so triggered when people put mirror in their faces.

Why it bothers you that I support Israel? What's bad about supporting Israel? Don't I have the right or the soverty to have my own opinions? Why I have to think like you? Why do you so sure that the way you see the world is superior to mine? 1400 innocent civilians were massacred by psychopaths in such horrific ways and with such celebration only because they are Israeli. Isn't this a good enough reason to support Israel? No matter what Israel will do in this situation, there will be bad consequences. If Israel will do nothing with the terrorists, they will get stronger and commit even more horrific crimes. If it will try to eliminate them, everyone would whine about Israel doing genocide. People don't understand the difficult situation Israel is in. They don't care about Israel's survival, only about Palestinian survival. Just stop thinking, you only create more assumptions and fantasies in your mind that have nothing to do with they way I see things.

@DefinitelyNotARobot I appreciate your nuanced perspective.

This is not the same. I don't think that everyone should now leave and claim the territory where their grandfather used to live. But Israel was in unique situation, persecuted people, after holocaust who went to a land connected to them historically and by blood, there wasn't any country there at that time yet, only the British mandate, so they did what they could to built a their country for themselves. Is the execution was perfect? Hell no. Is anyone's execution of building a country is perfect? Mostly not. Is this was that popular at the news with people around the world calling it genocide? I don't know, I didn't live when it happened but I guess that most people in the world weren't aware to that.

This is what you think about me? So rude. This can be said on the survivors of Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel. Children who grew up seeing Arabs killing their people in the most horrific ways will be the future soldiers who will do everything to eliminate them.

No. I didn't ask that, nor I expect that. But you as a true loving person who embodies radical love should love all the biased humans despite of that, rather than judging us for not being radically loving. Otherwise, you are not really posses radical love and you are a biased human like most of us. And it's fine. Welcome to the club.

I don't embody radical love. Like most humans. And this forum very far from being enlightened. Yes it's open-minded place but not enlightened or radically loving.

It seems that Israelies are fond of Palestinians more than Hamas fond of them or other Arab countries fond of them.

What about all the Jews who were explled at this time from the Arabic Muslim countries? Jews people also lived in these Muslim countries for centuries after they were explled from Israel. Would it be weird if Jews would come back the Muslim countries like Yemen they were explled from and commit suicidal terror attacks against innocent civilians? The land was called Palestine by the Roman empire, but it's just a name to the land, there wasn't an Arab Muslim country there, it belonged to the British Mandate. Everyone who was born in this land before 1948 was called Palestinian, no matter if it was a Muslim, Jew or Christian.

I'm not Israeli, not Jewish. From my understanding it's only lately the government became more inclined to the radical right and I don't support this. However, Israel is still the most democratic nation in the middle east and that would be sad to lose it for another Islamic dictatorship where women are killed for ridiculous reasons and animals don't have rights. I've seen a documentary a few years ago about how many dogs, sheep, cows, horses and various injured animals Israeli animal rights organizations save from the West bank. These people have no respect to animals. There was stories like raping, burning, cutting animals and causing them serious damage, and this is normal in this kind of mentality when animals equal to 0.

It's not a stolen land as Zionists bought terertories from Arabs (even though it wasn't allowed). They believed in claiming the land peacefully. These people have already experienced an horrific genocide in Europe, they came to this land traumatized but hopeful, not will ill intentions. Arabs didn't like that they are coming, legitimately, and attacked them for that and of course these Zionists defended themselves. Don't forget there were already Jews from the Jesus days on this land, especially in Jerusalem, are the Jews who came from Europe also stole the land from the Jews who were already there? This land belonged to the British Mandate at that time and they decided to divide it to Israel and Palestine, how it counts as stealing I don't understand? This narrative that there was a Palestinian country that was occupied violently by Jews is not correct.

I understand.

Even on the relative level, there are so many reasons entangled with eachother in such a complex way that if you focus only on one of the reasons in a particular time frame, it would be a small portion of the truth.

The issue is that it's even not the root cause. Just humans being humans. And it's not necessarily absolutely good or bad. it's good to someone, bad to someone else.

Because I'm a biased human and I honor the level of where I am at right now. I'm not in place to pretend that I share love with radical Islamic terrorists or that I support Islamic dictatorship at the expense of Jewish democracy. It doesn't mean that I'm blind to the suffering of Palestinians or want them to suffer.

This is the human evulotion. Humans always played Gods, it didn't start on the 20th century. Balming US and USSR for all the problems of humanity is pretty silly. We will see.

Hamas kill innocent civilians, commits suicidal crimes against innocent civilians, lunch rockets against innocent civilians. Israel attacks Hamas when it gets attacked by it, this is factual. Israel doesn't oppress Gaza and yet, the biggest attack came from there. Hamas terrorism happens no matter what Israel does. Hamas is a radical, antisemitic, Islamistic terrorist organization, it's not a nationalistic organization who cares about creating something good for Palestinians. They planned this terror attack for a year with the intention to kill as much innocent Israelites as possible. If you think that they are innocent fighters for freedom, you are highly deluded.

Seemingly they were bombing some Hamas terrorists when were attacked, they never thought about eliminating Hamas and this is the problem, that they wasn't ruthless enough with Hamas, which made Hamas stronger. Now as a result of what is happened, after they sew how ISIS alike Hamas are, this is very reasonable to eliminate them. No. Their own people are Palestinians. Hamas are Palestinians who first and for most treating other Palestinians like a shit. This should be addressed that most of Palestinian misery comes from their own fellows. Is this a blame game?

You are being hypocrite as well, by criticizing Israel for defending itself against terrorists while you would probably do the same to save your ass. They never bombed for the sake of bombing. They reacted to attacks from anyone who attacks them. And these oppressed people are oppressed first and for most by their own people, you gotta bear it in your mind if you honor truth. Yes it's really a shame that this is what you believe.