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Because they don't have other Jewish countries, because their religion and long historical connection to this land, because they had kingdoms there for thousands of years.

Yes I know. I also know that I'm the 6 million Jews who were murdered.

I'm not going to answer this question because the comparison between South Korea and Palestine is irrelevant. It's like comparing Switzerland to Egypt. In fact, South Korea has more in common with Israel as both stuck with hostile neighbors. We have our beloved Kim. You too. You don't know what it's like to be fearful of suicidal terrorists or rockets from Hamas to anywhere you go, do you? There are many crazy antisemitic people in Europe and US, Jews people are in real danger right now, in all around the world. Even before the war, I heard every once in a while about some hater burning a synagogue or something. Because history proved Jews that even if Europe seems safe, it's not actually safe. And yes, they are safer within their own country with their own strong army. So what you suggest? They have roots in Israel, long history in Israel, their religion and bible stating they are belong to Israel. It's even written in Koran that Israel is for Jews.

What do you think?

It doesn't justify commiting horrible crimes against innocent Israeli people. There are plenty refugees in the world and they don't do such things. People have to be accountable to their crimes regardless their level of development. Don't you see how happy Palestinians were when Hamas committed the attack against Israel? When they prided this dead poor Israeli dead woman? Is that OK? Of course. Where is your criticism of Palestine and Hamas? you criticized me for taking one side but where is your diverse point of view? They are not the first people who were explled in our history. People always were expelled during the history and they just moved on with their lives. They didn't bitch about it for 70 years, especially when they have so many other options. Jews on the other side are persecuted people, you know what is a persecuted people? So persecuted that 6 millions of them were killed in the most horrific ways while the world were silent, don't they deserve one tiny safe place which is historically connected to them by blood? You seem very emotional and aggressive. Chill out, and stop talking like an idiot. Don't make it personal. I'm not your enemy just because I think differently than you, I have the right to have my own opinions, I don't have to think like you. Understood?

What you are missing is that Palestinians are victims of their own mentality, leadership and level of development before they are victims of Israel and the west. Their egos cling to this view and not only theirs. There is pattern in the middle east that keeps them stuck with undeveloped leadership and underdeveloped societies. Who cares who lived there 70 years ago? Why to cling to a land which your grandfather was expelled from 70 years ago if you have 50 other Muslim countries to live in?

I agree, citisicm from the West is valid. The expectations are valid as well. However, when I see antisemitic attacks around the world, I doubt that people can differentiate between Israel and Jews, in my intuition, it seems that they ride on this war to fuel their antisemitism even more and because of that, they are throwing a triminology that wouldn't be thrown so easily if it was another country in Israel's place.

My perspective comes to oppose the voices who blame Israel and see it as the one who's responsible to this conflict, which is isn't the whole truth. The reality is more complex that that. The Zionists who built Israel used to be the natives who were expelled from this land 2000 years ago so this is not the classical case of a strong European empire occupying aggressively lands, as it portrayed so many times. And there is also no evidence that Zionists violently occupied the land. Yes there were fights between Jews and Arabs but not by any means genocide or massacre systematically against Muslim Arabs. I don't think that Palestinians are Hamas by any means, but they chose Hamas so it may say something about them, especially about the way the see Jews. Also, often, when people mention the poor conditions of the Palestinians, they are automatically put the blame on Israel while in reality, the Palestinian leadership takes a huge part in it. They own Billions and invest millions, supported by Iran, in attacking Israel while they could have created a heaven with this money to Palestinians.

Israel is very traumatized and some leaders talk impulsively because they themselves feel surprised and lost. It doesn't mean that they actually commit genocide. What about Hamas threats for years to kill Jews and eliminate Israel? What about Iran's threats for years? What about Hezbollah threats, for years? They do this for years and nobody cares.

Hey dude, chill out I'm not a Jewish/Israeli. I'm just a woman with some common sense. Israel already exists. This is a modern, democratic and a western country with human rights, women rights, animals rights, LGBTQ+++ rights, religious freedom. Look at the Nova party there, where Hamas did massacre, these people could be people from this forum, liberal and open minded. Are you ok with replacing it with an another Islamic dictatorship in the middle east? Another place like Iran where there are no human rights and 1000000 restrictions? A place that delay the human consciousness development rather than supports it? What do you think Palestine would look like under the leadership of Islamic terrorists? It would be North Korea in the best case scenario. Are you ready working towards replacing Israel by building another Islamic dictatorship in the middle east? You are very invited, I heard that Hamas is active on Telegram, you may contact them and ask them how you can join?

This is another example that confirms, ironically, the existence of a positive correlation between the denial of evolution and the display of behavior reminiscent of classical primitive primates. This is in no way intended to insult primates, after all, we are all part of the same family.

Yes, but on the grant scale, there was a Jewish kingdom on this land, in the biblical days, in the days of Jesus, +2000 years ago, much before there were Muslim Arabs, and these Jews used to be the natives and were expelled from this land twice and return to it on the third time in the help of Zionism. So this is not the classical case of a strong empire who occupies a forgein land but people who have history in the land which their ancestors were expelled from and returned to this land to build a safe place for themselves after they experienced the horrible Holocaust, after they realized that they cannot return to the world that allowed the Nazis to burn them and kill them in the most horrific ways, as nothing bad ever happened. And I disagree that Israel does genocide in Gaza, Israel is not interested in killing Palestinians for the sake of it, it doesn't want to eliminate Arabs or Muslims, but only terrorists like Hamas who commiting crimes against it. People call it genocide because it's Israel, and the majority of people are intellectually lazy and automatically connect Israel with Judaism. And those who are antisemitic, would look close on everything that Israel does and exaggerate it, every action, and create fiction stories, and spread lies upon lies only to fuel their antisemitism and/or Islamic supermisty. If this conflict was between Arabs only, no one would called it genocide, or occupation, but war.

They shouldn't live at all. Give all the land to Palestinians and commit a collective suicide. This is probobly the only way Palestinians would have been satisfied. Fuck facts. Israel is an Apartheid.

All those definitions are wrong and are thrown because it's Israel. If it was Egypt or Jordan in conflict with Palestine, instead of Israel, no one would gave a shit.

Yes, this is the mentality. They are raised with this mentality of radical hatred for Jews and Israel. Many people don't understand this.

How can one perform those surgical solutions if Hamas places their basements in tunnels under hospitals and schools? What else can Israel do? Israel has already instructed the people there to evacuate. Is Israel responsible for the fact that they are not evacuating (due to Hamas orders and death threats)? I personally don't know if what Israel is doing now is the right way to eliminate Hamas or if there is a better way to do so, or if it's even possible. I think that things will become clearer with time. I also agree that killing innocent civilians is not okay, and it's a tragedy on its own. I feel for both sides when it comes to children and non-combatants who have nothing to do with this. But it's also hard for me to believe the propaganda from the Palestinian side and accept this narrative as the only truth. It's difficult to believe that Israel killed 2000 children with bombs in two days. It's hard for me to believe that they bombed them without warning and time to escape. It's hard to believe that Hamas did all they could to protect them and not use them as shields. It's also hard to believe that this is the actual number, that they have already identified 2000 bodies of bombed children in two days. The process of identifying bodies takes some time, not two days, especially if they are rescued from under the demolished buildings. Anyway, regardless of the number, it's a tragedy that these children were born into such a life, in such a situation, with adults who put them in harm's way instead of protecting them and an army that bombs their towns for crimes they didn't commit. "The Son of Hamas," whose father was one of Hamas' founders and who knew them very closely, elaborated on how Hamas cynically uses children and civilians. He also talked about the general mindset that these people are raised with under Hamas leadership. The general mindset is to blame Israel for everything, including their poor conditions that could be improved if the leadership weren't so corrupt. He said that Palestinians and other Arab countries should take Israel as an example rather than blindly hating it. It's a good interview.

Hamas is an Islamic terrorist organization. Its ideology is to eliminate Israel and establish an Islamic state in its place, while also targeting others they consider "sinners." Egypt and Jordan are not currently targeted by Hamas, but they might have been if Israel did not exist. In such a scenario, they could have pursued Shiites, Christians, and other minorities in the Middle East. Hamas was founded by Muslim Brotherhood activists, who advocate for Sunni Islam to dominate the constitution and social life, aiming to establish Islamic states governed by Sharia law in Egypt and other Arab countries. One of their slogans is "Islam is the solution." Hamas shares similarities with the Muslim Brotherhood in its goal of establishing Islamic states but differs in its focus on eliminating Jews and claiming all of Israel for Palestinians under their leadership before targeting others. I prefer a "Jewish supremacist" democratic, liberal, and Western country in the Middle East rather than another Islamic supremacist dictatorship. There are enough of them there, aren't there?

It looks pretty reliable to me. More than Hamas for sure.

I don't believe that if Hamas were to eliminate Israel and establish Palestine in its place, they would suddenly abandon their radical Islamist ideology and work towards peace with America and Europe. Instead, their next step would likely involve committing acts of terror and waging war against those they perceive as opposing their extremist beliefs. Because this is where they at. If you think that Hamas is a secular resistance organization fighting for the rights of Palestinians, I really don't know how to help you, maybe you will realize how radical and dangerous they are once they will commit terror in your town or neighborhood, killing people just because they are Christian from Europe. In fact, one of Hamas' leaders' sons has openly stated that their ultimate goal, after eliminating Israel, is to target individuals they consider 'sinners' across the world.

This is reasonable. It would be crazy, naive and suicidal of Israel to give an independent Palestinian state in the west bank at this level of Palestinians development and Hamas presence.

If there was not this "pathetic fascistic regime" which is a breath of fresh air in the middle east called Israel, Hamas would targeting all the beautiful pro Palestinian souls in Europe and US. They are fools being blinded by antisemitism and not realizing that it's their luck that suicidal terrorists like Hamas are currently focused on Israel and not on them. They should thank to Israel for its mere existence as it saves their asses from crazy terrorists from the middle east.

Country with a long history for Jews is not a weak foundation. Do you know what holocaust is? How come is that Palestinians are increasing in numbers every year and not decreasing? Definitely. They are crazy. Reliability level: the earth is flat.

If we are the same, then go and bitch on them, what do you want from me?

Not tens of thousands years for sure. Hundreds of years yes and they were always constantly immigrating to Israel during this time. I didn't deny it. However, there is no historical evidence of Palestinian country of Muslim Arabs in Israel, but there is evidence of Jews kingdom in Israel. It's not called colonialism if the land was already colonized by Othmans and British Mandate and there wasn't a country called Palestine, and the Zionists bought lands from Arabs who sold it to them. And Ashkenazi Jews share DNA with Canaanites as well, not as much as Oriental Jews but pretty decent precentage.

I will take this as a compliment. I find it astonishing how blindly people support Palestine. I could be one of these people if I wouldn't deeply research about it.I 'm tired of ignorance. You are probobly not seeing well because this is what I do since the beginning of this war.