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If you look at the big picture, it's a war between Western and non Western values. Democracy vs Dictatorship mentality. North Korea, Iran and Qatar financing Hamas. Syria, China, Russia also support Hamas and Palestine. Why? Because they share the same values and they all have a common enemy which is US, Europe, the West and Western values. It's a war between Western values such as liberalism, democracy, human rights and between conservatism, dictatorship, violence and human rights violation. Why would America support Palestine and Hamas if it's supported by countries who hate America and want to eliminate it? Kim Jong Un said himself openly that North Korea would like to eliminate US. He is very passionate about it. I don't know if he is really capable of it alone that's another question. Also, Israel is the only America's ally in the middle east, which is beneficial strategically to US because Israel serves as proxy if required. This is why no US president with minimal brain will ever cease to support Israel. Even Trump supported Israel. Countries with certain values naturally incline to support countries who share the same values. The issue with Western liberals is that they don't see the big picture and easily fall to stupid compassion and manipulation by Hamas who knows how to market themselves and use the western nativity to gain support in order to promote their radical Islamic, anti-american, anti western, antisemitic, homophobic and myogenic ideology. They literally believe to everything Hamas says because they assume that Hamas is just like themselves.

If there is such a torture, why the population not decreasing but only growing with the years? Why there is no normal education to be a civilizied human being instead of being radical antisemitic Islamist depsite all the money poured to there? Gaza isn't occupied by Israel for 20 years why it's still stuck regardless the enomourous financial support it receives from the world and Israel? Why Palestinians resist the two state solution, peace with Israel?

Luckily Israel's existence doesn't depend on people who don't even know where Israel is on the map or discovered this only a month ago 😊 If Israel's existence was dependent on their opinions, shallow understanding and empty definitions like 'occupation', Israel would've existed. There is Israel, and there will be Israel despite their evil wishes, they can be angry and sad as much as they want. It's their luck that they live in safety and no one is threatening their lives and people don't blame them while they are trying to defend themselves. I wish they had the wisdom to appreciate it.

UN is biased AF against Israel. If you think UN is objective this is hilarious. It fails to condomn Hamas crimes which are a real threat for humanity. And it's not only me who's thinking that, a person who grew up with Hamas and was one of them says it in his speech to UN.

Criticism is always necessary. However, when it comes in a disproportionate amount with questioning the right of Jews to exist in Israel, despite their strong history and connection to this place, despite being explled from dozens of countries due to irrational antisemitism, despite Muslim Arabs have so many countries, disproportionate blaming on Israel without condomning savages more dangerous than Nazis like Hamas, it's very clear that it's antisemitism. Any attempt to deny antisemitism and say that there is no antisemitism involved in this conflict, is gaslighting. Jews also were expelled by Muslims in the Muslim countries, after they escaped to Muslim countries from Europe so painting an image that Muslims are more tolerant towards Jews would be a joke. There are barely any Jews in Muslim countries. This is why having Israel is so important for Jews. History proved no place is safe for Jews. Even in Israel they prescued by radical antisemitic entities like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas but at least they have army to defend themselves.

Lol, you compare Arabs in Israel to Jews in a concentration camp. This is so disconnected from reality and doesn't respect holocaust survivors who actually were in concentration camps nor Arabs in Israel who live decently, with religious freedom and better than most Arabs in the world. Additionally, it's more difficult for Arabs in Israel to admit how good their lives in Israel are since Arabs in the world and even radicals in their community can see this as betrayal. This is your problem that you don't take it seriously, only because you believe in some delusional reality of Arabs in Israel due to your bias and demonization of Israel without spending one day in Israel, doesn't mean it's the truth.

They have problem with Hamas and their leadership as well. If someone is occupying them is their leaders. The main reason for 7 October attack or any attack on Israel, by Hamas Hezbollah, Iran or whatever country in the ME is antisemitism. It's stated in Hamas doctrine that their goal is to eliminate Jews. Not only Israel, not Zionists, but Jews. Like Hitler. When someone hate Jews because they are Jews, which is irrational by itself, it cannot be understood rationally. The cause and effect rule doesn't apply in this case. They attack Jews because they hate them and want to eliminate them. That's it. It's not even close to the hatred Palestinian children are raised towards Jews. It's literally integrated in their school program. They are humans, developed doesn't mean perfect. It's better to live in a developed country rather than in not so developed. It's better and safer for Muslims to live under a Jewish leadership rather than for Jews under a Muslim leadership.

This is not true, you selectively choose people in Israel who expressed it, some PM of Israel 70 years ago and some radical settler but history proves Israel doesn't care about having two states as long as it promises peace. Israel gave up on Sinai for peace with Egypt and Israel gave up on Gaza for peace with Palestine. Is that work? No, instead of investing in Gaza and WB and building a beautiful state of Palestinian, they invested in weapon against Israel. Israel doesn't remove the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the Jewish temple there was prior to the mosque, only because it values peace with the Arab world. Even though this place considered the holliest place for Jews and only the 3rd holiest place for Islam. Prior to attack, Israel tried to form Peace with Saudia. Israel is the most peaceful state in the ME region.

Young people usually immigrate to US or Europe for education purposes. And the rest... why would they immegrate? Most of them are Muslims who love their culture, their country and living around Muslims, they are not fond of the west and western values, especially the older generations. They would tolerate curropted leadership and less human rights and democracy rather than starting everything in a new country and living as a foreigner in a new country with secularism, LGBTQ and feminism, women with short pants and transgenders which doesn't suit their values. If they have no problem with Israel governing them, why you should have a problem? So Hamas is stage green? Gotcha. Now seriously, for the Arab world to evolve to green they should first integrate orange, you know, science, accepting the evulotion theory, logic, human rights and individual freedom over religion. But they are still very deep into Islam and dismissive of evolution, the idea that we are family with monkeys is probably triggering for the majority of them. Israel is really developed in comparison to the Arab world. And if the Arab world should give up on Israel it's not necessarily because Israel is more developed but more because Muslim Arabs have so much territory.

The Palestinian authority never wanted or believed in two state solution. This is their core value in their doctrine, they wouldn't compromise on less than 100%. That is why they will never be satisfied with Gaza and the WB alone and will keep doing attacks on Israel until they get 100% of the land. There is a change of two states if there will be a paradigm shift in the Palestinian consciousness, to accept the right of Jews to have a Jewish country in the Jewish historical land and stop fighting and trying to kill Jews. Then it will be possible to negotiate some peaceful solution. Otherwise it would be suicidal of Israel to negotiate such thing with someone that antisemitic.

Most Arabs countries are suck for living due to lack in democracy, development, liberalism and human rights. It's not unique to Palestinians in Gaza or WB which means it's not Israel to blame. People who really know how Arabs live in the middle east claim that Palestinians in Gaza and WB have life quality similar to most Arabs in Arab countries, and even better.

That's one of the reasons why the term "occupation" in relation to Israel is absurd.

Many people who have never been in Israel and don't know where Israel is even located on the map, say: "Israel is an apartheid state." Arabs in Israel:

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The thing is that patriarchy is based on society not being safe for women, of men not being safe for women, and in a society that isn't safe for women, women should be protected by men from other men. They must be dependent on men and be at their mercy to be saved from other men. Also, if something bad happens to a women by a man, it doesn't grantee that she will be saved and justice will be made and the agressor will pay the price. In patriarchal society, mostly women are those who pay the price of men hurting them, for example, if a man rapes a woman, she usually would be the one to blame. But when society is safe for women, and men are safe for women, there is no need for this unhealthy dependence on men for survival which also limits the woman's personal and spiritual growth. In fact, the fact that men as a collective relatively safe for women and women are given rights and the protection from the law, it's the ultimate protection, thus, patriarchal society in particular isn't required. When a woman isn't dependent on a man for basic survival, she has the power to choose a man she wants and not the one she needs, the choice is made by a free will and not because of necessity, which opens the possibilty of higher and more authentic form of love. However, there is a need for compassionate yet strong form of masculinity in the society, healthy masculinity. Not compassionate but weak and not strong but lack in compassion. There is a need for a healthy balance between the masculine and the feminine, a society which honors both. This is not to demonize patriarchy as it is a step in the human collective evolutionary development, a step we are stepping on altogether. But it's not and shouldn't be the ultimate goal.

Antisemitism is not limited to the most extreme right-wing ideologies. Ironically, it can also be found in extreme left-wing ideologies. Are you immune to antisemitism?

Interesting, thank you. Hopefully 🙏 I agree, our understanding tends to be limited to our survival bias and it's not enough to resolve complex issues.

Gantz seems like a good and moderate option. I hope he wouldn't be eaten alive by the radicals though, they seem dangerous. @Nivsch What SD stage Gantz is in your opinion?

Do you think Hamas gives a shit about dead Palestinians? Please don't be naive, they use them as human shields and execute them for arbitrary reasons. The world should be putting more pressure on Hamas, and their sugar daddies Qatar and Iran.

I don't say that terrorism needed to condomend especially for women. This post is an expression of my disappointment and criticism of the feminist organizations in handling this scenario. I'm talking about women rights organizations in particular, not about human rights organizations (which are also biased against Israel btw and don't condomn Hamas properly either). I'm talking about feminists which their entire agenda is to be sensitive to violation of women rights in every scenario and not selectively. There are war crimes and human violations which are unique to women like rape, and violence for sexist reasons that many times men don't see or understand.

So is that mean that Hamas should never be accountable to their crimes?

That's wonderful what you say but can you elaborate on how it's related to the topic?

It's not only UN, women organizations in the world are biased in favor of one side and it's upsetting. Even if they can't do anything about Hamas, it would be enough to mention it at least and bring it to the collective awareness. Because if they as feminists don't talk about it, it's as if they are fine with it or support what Hamas have done in the name of "resistance". Yes, totally different values, and they can't really control Hamas but they could at least not be that silent about Hamas crimes against women and make it clear that occupation or not, colony or not, rape, murder and torture of women is wrong and not legitimate. Raping women is always wrong and unnecessary. Even if the women raped are not in my "political party". True feminism should care about all the women and not being selective. Historically it helped women to get equal rights to men, less depended on men for survival and saved women from abuse and limiting tranditinal roles that limit human's natural development.

It's not about that. It's about the UN Women and other women organizations in the world being biased in favor of one side while it's expected from them to be more objective and condomn all the harm caused to all the women in this war, regardless their political opinions. The UN women didn't mentioned the severe and brutal acts done by Hamas against Israeli women. If you really read this you see that they don't mention Hamas murder, rape and kidnapping of Israeli women by Hamas, they just say some general statement: Again, there is no mention of Hamas commiting brutal acts such rape murder and torture of women bodies, no mention of kidnapping of Israeli women of all the ages.