UpperMaster

Thank you very much for your perspective on this matter guys.

I made out with a girl recently, she was drunk, I was sober. Met her through social circle. Her friends set me and her up. Her sister is super against me, main reason because I was sober and she was drunk, apparently thats like taking advantage or something. I had no idea this would be an issue, obviously my intentions were not to take advantage of her, I actually care about this girl. All my friends have slightly different things to say about this. Is it bad to get with a girl when she's drunk and your sober? When is it exploitative?

If I were to scale drunk levell she'd be a 7, like she definitely wasn't like falling on the floor or anything. She was pretty drunk and in super horny mood. Also, I didn't sleep with her or anything, I just made out with her. Like wouldn't sleep with her, but I thought making out was competley fine, especially because it was appropriated by our friend-group. Then the next day, she brings up how that may have been weird, I I lowkey feel like Im being accused of doing smth wrong, it feels shitty. Like I didn't have any bad intentions so it felt weird defending myself. Also how many drinks would be too many drinks?

@Valach yea bro this is so tricky I had no idea there was morals attached to it so I was js like yooo this girl wants to make out with me lets go. I mean doesn't Leo go do pick up sober in nightclubs, usually the girl has had drinks right? Im super interested on when he would go for it and when he would not.

Is sharing emotions a turnoff, one of my friends has this as a number 1 rule. He says all women say they love when a man is emotional, but this is a HUGE trap. Is this true?

I am a Gen Zer, so I was just a kid when RSD and Mystery were popular. How big was PUA movement at its peak? PUA seemed to become very mainstream, with Mystery going on talk shows etc. How does it compare with today's looksmaxxing in terms of popularity? I mean, clavicular etc have become mad popular, everyone seems to be focusing on looks optimization now. Also, if PUA was last gen solution to dating and looksmaxxing is current gem solution to dating, what do you think will be the trend 15 years from now? I thought this would be an interesting thread to start..

Interesting convo you guys

Looksmaxxing is very normalized in my generation. Even if my age people don't say it explicitly, the conversation has shifted from "what do I say to her", to "how to look better/get it better shape", or atleast I think so. The issue I am facing is I am scared to approach, I can get a girlfriend, but not the girl I want. I am inexperienced and hope I can find someone lol.

Damn best seller. So pick-up was super duper mainstream. Okay, that puts things into perspective. Like now it makes sense why looksmaxxing and blackpill became popular, it's like a rise of just another paradigm in the dating world. Before it was repill and pua, now its blackpill and looksmaxxing. Like it just mind blowing to be that these PUA guys have such different approach to the problem. And such a different way of view the world. Just the fact that if one came to the dating scene 15 years ago, they might have blamed a lot of my results on me just not being charasmatic and alpha enough. Now people more blame their looks. idk why its mind-blowing to me.

Although this forum leans heavily toward PUA thinking and tends to put “game” on a pedestal, it’s obvious that looks still play a major role. Even Leo eventually acknowledged this, saying that looks and status are among the most important factors in dating—despite previously claiming the opposite and stating in earlier videos that looks don’t matter. Looksmaxxing has become increasingly popular, and for many people it can lead to significant improvements in appearance. That said, it also comes with time, effort, and some risk. What I’m really trying to figure out is whether looksmaxxing offers a high enough ROI to justify those costs. At the core, looksmaxxing basically comes down to: Getting in shape Skincare Haircare (minoxidil, finasteride) Improving fashion So the main question is: is looksmaxxing actually worth to get laid? And as a follow-up—if anyone has firsthand experience—was starting finasteride worth it for you? I think preserving hair is like a very big part of that, but finasteride seems scary. Thanks for the responses in advance!

Hey thanks for the reply. One thing, what do you mean by targeted area? I mean from context I understand its where you want hair to grow, but I was under the impression that you put it everywhere on your scalp no? Thanks

Yea see Im getting a lot of mix signals irl. like looks matter a lot, but I also see people that looked clapped with girlfriends. More clapped ppl dont have girlfriends tho. Im getting so much different experiences from what is said online, sometimes even from Leo videos.

I understand thanks

Hey. Thanks for your response. I am derma penning now once a week. Thank you for your share I wasn't aware of this. Have you tried minoxidil? If so are you taking oral or topical? What is your experience? Appreciate it again.

yea you guys are right, I mean maybe stupid question obviously you should max out looks. Maybe I should of made this thread about finasteride alone, because thats what I am curious about mainly.

So many things happened internally. I want to specifically talk about the way I motivate myself. I figured out a way to motivate myself, but it's through compulsive fear. The thing is, it's so god damn effective. I can lap everyone and anyone with this. I can work super hard with this. but it's literally like I am voluntarily strapping a shock machine to my neck which shocks me whenever I don't work. Like yea obviously I work way better. But it's lowkey self hurting. Im trying to figure out other ways to motivate myself, but its not the same in terms of outside results.

Male 19. First year university (currently taking reseat exams). I'm honestly afraid I might fail the year. I want to self-actualise. This is my journal as a reminder of my growth. Many problems and issues on my mind but right now, but quite honestly my biggest hurdle is my ability to work. I've grown convinced that there is actually something biologically wrong with me. I used be the smartest in my class in middle school, I would study for exams right before the test. After COVID, my capacity to concentrate is complete dogshit. I'm a horrible results maker. My parents have pointed this out to me in numerous occasions. They can't believe how poorly I turned out, as growing up I seemed productive, but right now I'm struggling to get by in life. I already tried all the techniques to improve my work ethic and focus. I've contemplated and designed models of motivation that I could use to get myself to work. I tried brainwashing myself to think that inaction would lead to a horrific event, to fear monger myself to work. This is the only thing that got me results, but its with huge expense. Right now the only thing that works for me is putting myself in a mental state where I think I am in competition with everyone. It's this deeply egoic, dog-eat-dog mentality thats most defenitly toxic. I hesitated to keep myself in this state of mind for two reasons: 1. I become dysfunctional in other areas of life that don't involve material success like family. 2. I can't turn it on or turn it off. 3. I'm constantly stressed, it's a constant fight or flight. Like I legitamatley don't enjoy life anymore. However this mental state seems to be extremely effective in getting things done, I can work 6 hours a day on a task, with high intensity. Otherwise I can barely work 30 minutes with very low intensity. I need to be able to work or I'll remain a failure. I also don't want to waste my life away feeling like shit. I feel trapped. It is possible that I might have some heavy metal poisoning. It can explain my inability to sleep great, inability to focus and work etc. It is completely not normal for me to struggle this much to work . I don't want to become a psychopathic neurotic monster just to be able to get some work done. Other people seem to work so easily. I know for a fact that "not wanting it enough" is not a problem. My success is pretty much all I think about, and I feel a lot of pain as I feel as though I am unable to progress in life no matter what I do.

Angels in bible lowkey look like this picture you displayed

I am on exchange. A beautiful city. I got cool friends. I don't have a girlfriend, but generally speaking everything is fine, great even. But Im so fucking numb, I feel like my life is so fucking colorless.......idk fucking why. I feel it so much. I am too tired to write down what I want to, Il write it tomorrow.

Okay two weeks in. I haven't been able to journal that much recently, one reason is because it is very difficult to articulate what's going on in my mind. Long story short, until yesterday I was using a lot of fear based motivation. It's super effective. For some reason it did not feel right. I am not sure how to explain it, but for some reason I did not feel "whole" and very fragmented. It felt wrong albeit its the most effective thing I had to drive action. I was very scared to shift the way that I motivate myself. I tried so many things, cried and emotionally died so many times to be able to achieve the discipline I've achieved the past year. But for some reason, I feel like I have to change the way I motivate myself, which is scary because it means I putting the level of discipline I have at risk. One of the recent lessons I learned is that sometimes courage and boldness matters more than discipline. Motivating myself through fear makes it very difficult for me to be courageous. Approaching girls takes courage I feel. Idk why but I feel so cringe writing into this journal. Ughh

Except a girl everything in my life right now is actually pretty good. But the no girl part fucks everything. Or will I never be satisfied? idk?

1st week of exchange. 1st week completely on my own. Damn it feels lowkey good. So many small things happened. 1. Learned to do laundry 2. Spent way too much money (apparently I have to budget lol) 3. Scared to ask other women out, so have been doing so. I realize that women who I think are absolutely stunning, it's hard for me to ask them out. I mean it makes sense, but fuck. 4. Electricity cut off cuz my dumbass forgot to complete the electricity contract (I thought I did) 5. Went climbing for the first time It's been fun. But for some reason, I feel like there is no soul in my life. I can't say why. Everything seems king of impersonal or insignificant. I want to ask girls out, but scared, I use self improvement as procrastination for sure lmao.

First two days living alone. I am on a university exchange. This is a huge chapter in my development. I have to capitalize on it as much as possible. I asked a girl out today, someone I met on the first day of the exchange school, she said she had a boyfriend. I am happy I did it lmao.

Thank you for all the responses. I was traveling s couldn't read them soon.