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Nah idk about that, if I was super rich I wouldn't be against doing somethign like this. Imagine how good he feels day to day.

Mark Manson wrote that practicing vulnerability (vulnerability: intentionally making your desires and intentions been known) is the gateway to being non-needy. I mean I think we can all agree that this is true, ofc practicing vulnerability will help us be more indifferent to people rejecting us. This is lowkey rejection therapy. but does this truly cure neediness? Like Leo says that you should actively create abundance in your life, then you will naturally be less needy and your abundance will grow even further due to non-neediness. Like I’m having several experiences..and am seriously trying to look through the lense of truth..what’s really true here? Please leave your opinions for discussion.

I don't think his take is as dumb as you say but I see your point. Mark also emphasizes in investing in yourself, and shows you exactly how to go about it. Investing in yourself also decreases your neediness. Also in the book he clearly states that neediness in any form in unattractive, even when it comes from vulnerability. So even if you beg outright that you need her, it is still unattractive. He says you tackle neediness through working on yourself (looks, lifestyle, status) and by practicing expressing your intentions clearly, aswell as therapy if needed.

Nice response thanks

yea see Im realizing this by going into the real world. I mean being vulnerable matters but like the technical skills matter too. A lot of your intentions, or emotions can get lost in translation if you don't know how to behave the correct way. I think your right dude.

Maybe your memories are not consistent but you get the feeling that they are. idk how to explain that well, but when I am dreaming, the present moment of the dream makes total sense in the context of the whole dream. After I wake up I realize how the dream was barely consistent, but I didn't know that while dreaming.

Hey guys, I am inexperienced and need clarification on whether or not you should share your personal dating history with a girl you're dating, to what detail and at what point of time? I've never cheated, but if someone did cheat in the past, when or should they even bring it up? I'm getting more and more experience by the day, listening to all the stories my friends tell me (both men and women). It seems like good things don't seem to come from sharing your past because if a relationship ended there is always a reason and it's rarely one sided..but at the same time it feels like it is necessary to build trust. I'm so fucking confused. It's driving me insane. I tend to overshare, but I am so scared to do so. Thanks for the replies in advance, Im so interested to hear your opinions.

Any other opinions? Does anyone support being open in the beginning?

Okay thank you. I appreciate this lengthy answer this makes so much sense. Appreciate this so much you don't know.

Happy Birthday Teach

I made out with a girl recently, she was drunk, I was sober. Met her through social circle. Her friends set me and her up. Her sister is super against me, main reason because I was sober and she was drunk, apparently thats like taking advantage or something. I had no idea this would be an issue, obviously my intentions were not to take advantage of her, I actually care about this girl. All my friends have slightly different things to say about this. Is it bad to get with a girl when she's drunk and your sober? When is it exploitative?

Is sharing emotions a turnoff, one of my friends has this as a number 1 rule. He says all women say they love when a man is emotional, but this is a HUGE trap. Is this true?

Thank you very much for your perspective on this matter guys.

If I were to scale drunk levell she'd be a 7, like she definitely wasn't like falling on the floor or anything. She was pretty drunk and in super horny mood. Also, I didn't sleep with her or anything, I just made out with her. Like wouldn't sleep with her, but I thought making out was competley fine, especially because it was appropriated by our friend-group. Then the next day, she brings up how that may have been weird, I I lowkey feel like Im being accused of doing smth wrong, it feels shitty. Like I didn't have any bad intentions so it felt weird defending myself. Also how many drinks would be too many drinks?

@Valach yea bro this is so tricky I had no idea there was morals attached to it so I was js like yooo this girl wants to make out with me lets go. I mean doesn't Leo go do pick up sober in nightclubs, usually the girl has had drinks right? Im super interested on when he would go for it and when he would not.

I am a Gen Zer, so I was just a kid when RSD and Mystery were popular. How big was PUA movement at its peak? PUA seemed to become very mainstream, with Mystery going on talk shows etc. How does it compare with today's looksmaxxing in terms of popularity? I mean, clavicular etc have become mad popular, everyone seems to be focusing on looks optimization now. Also, if PUA was last gen solution to dating and looksmaxxing is current gem solution to dating, what do you think will be the trend 15 years from now? I thought this would be an interesting thread to start..

Interesting convo you guys

Looksmaxxing is very normalized in my generation. Even if my age people don't say it explicitly, the conversation has shifted from "what do I say to her", to "how to look better/get it better shape", or atleast I think so. The issue I am facing is I am scared to approach, I can get a girlfriend, but not the girl I want. I am inexperienced and hope I can find someone lol.

Damn best seller. So pick-up was super duper mainstream. Okay, that puts things into perspective. Like now it makes sense why looksmaxxing and blackpill became popular, it's like a rise of just another paradigm in the dating world. Before it was repill and pua, now its blackpill and looksmaxxing. Like it just mind blowing to be that these PUA guys have such different approach to the problem. And such a different way of view the world. Just the fact that if one came to the dating scene 15 years ago, they might have blamed a lot of my results on me just not being charasmatic and alpha enough. Now people more blame their looks. idk why its mind-blowing to me.

Although this forum leans heavily toward PUA thinking and tends to put “game” on a pedestal, it’s obvious that looks still play a major role. Even Leo eventually acknowledged this, saying that looks and status are among the most important factors in dating—despite previously claiming the opposite and stating in earlier videos that looks don’t matter. Looksmaxxing has become increasingly popular, and for many people it can lead to significant improvements in appearance. That said, it also comes with time, effort, and some risk. What I’m really trying to figure out is whether looksmaxxing offers a high enough ROI to justify those costs. At the core, looksmaxxing basically comes down to: Getting in shape Skincare Haircare (minoxidil, finasteride) Improving fashion So the main question is: is looksmaxxing actually worth to get laid? And as a follow-up—if anyone has firsthand experience—was starting finasteride worth it for you? I think preserving hair is like a very big part of that, but finasteride seems scary. Thanks for the responses in advance!

Hey thanks for the reply. One thing, what do you mean by targeted area? I mean from context I understand its where you want hair to grow, but I was under the impression that you put it everywhere on your scalp no? Thanks

Yea see Im getting a lot of mix signals irl. like looks matter a lot, but I also see people that looked clapped with girlfriends. More clapped ppl dont have girlfriends tho. Im getting so much different experiences from what is said online, sometimes even from Leo videos.

I understand thanks

Hey. Thanks for your response. I am derma penning now once a week. Thank you for your share I wasn't aware of this. Have you tried minoxidil? If so are you taking oral or topical? What is your experience? Appreciate it again.