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David Deida teaches that purpose is inherent within us, while Leo, as I understand it, teaches that purpose should be consciously and strategically constructed. I’m struggling to determine if one method is better than the other and would love to hear from anyone who has experience with the benefits of each approach. Here’s a summary of my understanding of both methods: David Deida: Purpose is not something you either have or lack; it’s something you either acknowledge or ignore. To discover deep purpose, you need to sit quietly and enter a state of deep not-knowing until a purpose reveals itself. This might take weeks. Initially, you may feel the urge to pee—that's your purpose then. Once you’re done, you return to your state. Avoid entertaining any thoughts or distractions, as these are seen as forms of the changing or feminine. When you realize your purpose, allow yourself to be fully driven by it until you no longer are. There’s a distinction between pretending to be in a state of not-knowing while chasing attractive mind distractions like partying, and genuinely committing to a state of not-knowing until purpose arises. “Finding your purpose is fully sinking into the present moment and letting reality manifest through you as a gift to all.” More details: https://deida.info/2016/02/14/deep-purpose/ Leo’s Life Purpose: Purpose should be carefully constructed based on value assessments, personality tests, and deep introspection. It is not inherent but rather created. More practical, discusses concepts such as 10,000 hour rule, and addresses ways to actually motivate yourself. Overall seems more holistic and practical. Does not treat purpose as inherent to man, but rather something you should construct. Is purpose inherent to individuals or should it be created?

Deida says this: You are your mission, and if you don’t know it, you are not relaxed in the moment. So you don’t have to find your mission, you need to relax in the moment to discover it. It is being shown to you right now. You are being lived by a force deeper than you. Masculine practice is intuitively feeling and identifying with that force so that when you wake up in the morning, you are lived by your mission. If you don’t know what that is, it is because you are thinking. Your mind will never know your mission. You will never feel your mission if you are attending to your thoughts hoping to see what your mission is in the future. So to answer your question, purpose is always there you just have to realise it. Not my words.

Yea but it sounds way cooler if it just comes to you. Like oh idk what my purpose is let me just sit down in my room for 3 weeks in solitude. Boom, you know your purpose. But it seems like Leo talks about this aswell, its just that in David Deida's model, the outer layers of purpose or initial purposes are gonna be materialistic fear driver crap, Leo teaches this as burning karma so I guess both teachings overlap

@Wisebaxter Whats the significance of this? From my understanding it just says: Action must be part a series of actions that lead to goal Action must respond to your environment Actions have to relevant and not random I don't understand the last part Could you explain this further please, I don't seem to grasp it.

Nah bro I think most woman are self critical asf. Also they can't afford rejection. For woman rejection is fucked. For men its really bad but for woman it hurts them even more I think

ok I'll forget about it until I do

yea man life is so uncertain, you don't know if something is good or not

Did your rate of failure decrease after your first lay?

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Yea I saw this video. Crazy because messages like this I feel like I won't even understand fully until I get the material things that aren't worth while.

I have to try, I don't think I can live life knowing I didn't do it.

Yea see that's one thing I was wondering. Like you said you had to do 400 approaches before getting a single lay with a girl. How do you even do that without losing hope? How do you have faith that it will eventually work out? When should you know when something isn't working? Like I definitely see most people quitting and saying it doesn't work before 200 approaches let alone 400. But that's like not even a bad effort, I would they know that they need 200 more approaches. And by the way, that's the only thing that's giving me hope right now. Like the fact that all the blackpiller may have spent 1000 of hours reading game and probably did 100 approaches, but I don't think they did 400 or 1000.

@Leo Gura The first video I saw of you was in the 7th Grade, when I got into self development. From around that time I believed that I could Get very pretty woman that I am attracted to Become a successful musician Build a life for myself that other people can dream possible. Live life with 100 percent passion. To honour life. I believed I could achieve all of this provided I worked hard and got rid of limited beliefs. That the only thing in my way is myself. Fast forward to now, I'm starting to believe that Woman mainly care about looks the most. The chances of being a successful musician is incredibly rare, most people who try fail. Life is nothing but a game of luck. People born in war-torn countries are fucked. People that have disfigured faces can't get woman. If you're blessed with normal genetics, there's an automatic cap on what you can achieve. If you're a normal guy, maybe you should be realistic, try to do the best of what you got, but don't expect that you can achieve what you truly want. (I really hate having to think like this, I grew up with self help content and was always filled with hope, this type of thinking is painful for me, but then again I really don't want to brainwash myself) There's no free will, so self actualising as a whole seems pointless. Yes Leo, I watched all your free-will videos. I've asked you about this 2 years ago, and you told me that the real question in Do "you" have free will is what the meaning of "you" is. But you must understand that I have not experienced what you've experienced, I have to go on my own personal experience, and right now all I see is material determinism. So yes, I don't believe in free will, because I don't understand your vantage point. I just see evidence that all our actions, desires and capabilities are manifested because of our genes. This viewpoint has been parroted by Sam Harris, Robert Sapolsky and now much of the blackpill community. I hate having victim mindset, but it seems to me that we are victims of life. It's somewhat problematic for me because I intuit that I am stuck between two levels of development. I intuit that my understanding of the nature of self is very primitive and that I must temporarily let go of all the pessimism and the idea of no free will in order to develop. But by doing so I feel like Im gaslighting myself again. Maybe I need permission to do so. I believed I could really do big big shit in my life, like I could work 20-30 years with a company and make a 100 million dollars. Now I'm like, maybe I should be realistic.

Yea and one more thing, like this whole blackpill thing makes sense in the Darwinian sense.

I don't mean to play the semantiv game here, So many spiritual teachers and intellectuals got me confused, what is "you"?

So material determinism is absolute and life is just a big, if its going to happen, it was always supposed to happen

So then there is no free will? Everything that was supposed to happen does happen. So everything is determined yes? Im struggling to understand the implication of this? What does this mean in daily life?

What have you been historically attracted to. Maybe that will give you a clue.

Hey everyone, I've been thinking a lot about marriage and relationships recently, and I wanted to get your thoughts on it. I recently watched a podcast featuring divorce lawyer James Sexton, and it really got me curious about the reality of marriage. In the podcast, Sexton mentioned that more marriages fail than succeed. Even among those that don't end in divorce, many people stay together just to avoid the pain of separation or for the sake of the kids. This made me wonder, can marriages truly be successful? I'm curious about how one can achieve a successful marriage, considering these points. Is a marriage that lasts a lifetime something worth striving for, or should we lower our expectations? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and experiences. Thanks!

Not much. So you're saying that there are 100 pieces that fit the puzzle, and I have to focus on trying to get all the pieces one by one. That there isn't a single reason why marriages work/don't work, that I must focus on trying to acquire skills before I even think about getting married. I hope I'm getting the gist of your message correctly. Yes, the grandmaster example makes sense to me. Alright I'll get to work. Thanks for the reply.

@Leo Gura Whats not Maya? How would you be certain that what you think is true isn't an illusion either, I mean the non-dualists were sure their perspectives were true. I feel like this is an annoying question ahahaha

@Butters don't quit, keep going.

Yes I agree on what you're saying. but let's not pretend that a lot of marriages end for very similar reasons. Like there are defenitly patterns to recognise. But yea I am different from you so my problems are going to be different from yours.

Your post is very well written, and this part really touched me. I think you are right, I am getting ahead of myself.

@Marvelllious Hey man. I read your story twice and you definitely have gone through a lot. I'm 19 aswell, we're in the same age group. I think the fact that you posted in this forum shows that you know intuitively that there's more to life than what you're experiencing right now. That's good news. That's better than most people. I want you to remind yourself the times you did achieve good results in life. The fact that you meditated for two hours a day is great, no-one does it. Take small steps. But keep moving forward. I am super dissatisfied with my own progress and have to keep reminding myself that compared to the person I was 2 years ago I am much better. I have exams right now, but we can get in touch after my exams finish. I'll be happy to talk to you if you think that would help.