Devin

shed all of your beliefs, you'll feel infinity, you don't even need dmt

well there are absolutes in both those statements but, that's still not the problem, just a symptom what you're describing, that "what if there's something else we're not experiencing", consciousness is infinity, it's not an experience, it's not a thing. Experiences, that you are not experiencing, are all within consciousness. You saying we could be illusions of aliens, that's within consciousness, if 'your' thoughts and experiences are made by aliens, that's within consciousness, actually, your thoughts and experiences being made by aliens IS within consciousness there's not even an 'if'. Infinite

and you don't recognize you have a belief from such knowledge? "it's the highest degree of liberation from fooling yourself" (Absolute Truth?) I think where you're stumbling is with what consciousness is, it seems you think it's your conscious mind, what you're aware of

this is why i said you're superimposing your belief, i know you're saying you can't know, but in your next sentence you state knowns

same thing from my first post, that you can 'know' something

my comment wasn't about your language "people", it's about your belief being blatantly apparent throughout the thread while stating your enlightenment or whatever you want to call it is about no beliefs, you have to be able to see it

@Strannik LOL, this coming from the guy trying to teach that to other 'people'

@Strannik so other than for arguing with people on the internet, what difference does anything you're saying make?

now you got it

@Gabith can you think of any small things you enjoy, easily accessible things; watching the sky, stars, a walk in the park, yoga, a nice glass of water, swimming, sleeping, eating an orange? "first seek the kingdom of heaven, then...." seek joy(the kingdom of heaven) first, then decide how to use your life, don't think there's something you must do to attain joy. just enjoy life, enjoy life first, now, then figure out what to do have you noticed you're more truly productive when you enjoy life? Being busy does not mean truly productive if you're working in the wrong direction, which is the case when you can't see which way to go, enjoying life brings clarity. *i don't mean fake enjoyment though; partying, travelling, gluttony, excess, vanity ..... enjoy, and follow maslows pyramid, that's how you will change the world in the way you want to. As paradoxical as it sounds, you need to enjoy with how it already is first

to me you're sounding very contradictory , you say this below and then state concepts as reality, to me it's evident you're doing what you call "confusing conceptual content with reality" i just figured you'd appreciate it if i pointed out possible 'blind spots', as you call them and this makes what your saying not make much sense to me, you state something as not to do, but then you do it in the next sentence. Again, to me it's like you're superimposing one belief over another, switching back and forth mid thought, I'm just pointing out inconsistencies that i believe are what is confusing me about what you're saying.

okay, but suffering is a concept, along with solipsism, and communication

our consciousness definition discrepancies are FAR from a word game, our definitions are almost completely opposite both of your examples are concepts/beliefs that you believe are true #1-why is that 'harmful'? #2-how do you know there even is communication?

we disagree on the definition of consciousness but I'll set that aside, I've stated my grievance on that. here are some beliefs/concepts in this post you appear to be unaware of -you say the concepts become harmless. How are they harmful? -you say we need concepts in our everyday life. How do you know what will happen if we don't use concepts, you believe or conceptualize something will happen i think you're stuck in concepts and beliefs, thinking they are true, even though you're saying not to.

@Strannik "conscious experience is a type of knowing, direct experiential knowing" would saying this be the same thing "conscious experience(being) is having no knowing(concepts/beliefs)"?

it seems pretty clear to me you're talking about direct experience, not consciousness

conscious experience would be the absence of any knowing(or knowing everything depending on how you want to say it) not a kind of knowing. I think you have it pretty much backwards, you're believing a concept of consciousness

i didn't say nor mean your experience isn't real, the problem is the 'knowing' I'm not regurgitating Leo's teachings either, I'm sure he wouldn't say what I'm saying

no, anything you 'know' by direct experience is an illusion, a concept

i haven't seen anyone here argue that, I'd say almost the opposite was alluded

your use of the term 'know' again you can't know your direct experience in the same way you're using the term know when it comes to knowing what consciousness is that's like flying to the moon on a... shoe.. or even a better example, a verb. Or saying this shape is purple

your use of the term consciousness is what i would label as 'direct experience', not consciousness, that's within consciousness

i think you're viewing consciousness as a 'thing'

aren't you stating that as an absolute truth the disconnect i have with what you're saying is when it comes to 'knowing' and 'truth' "what if nothing we can know is absolutely true other than a simple and bare given experiential fact of:" -Strannik that knowing is no-ing; it's finite, 'relative'. do you need to identify/use something as a "relative truth" for "being useful or practical", no, that's being lazy and not in a beneficial way. "Things tend to fall down, we call this gravity", we don't have to say "gravity makes everything fall back to earth" i think you're superimposing your idea of 'truth' and 'knowing'

well, i would say i covered this in my first post, it's less like saying this is true and more like saying everything else is obviously not true. see my first post again on 'no-ing'