Devin

What did they do before cobalt mining? Did someone take away their office jobs? I'd bite their dick off and take my chances in the jungle. Any more questions? I am not a slave, or a victim either.

Everyone is a victim in some sense, the problem is thinking you have no 'self-agency'. The cobalt miner or whatever getting poisoned is relative, that's their life, you probably eat plastics and get all kinds of other poisons, you probably don't intend on living forever without any type of disease do you, and you can consider your life easy, it's relative. If you quit comparing lives, could you consider your life easy, how about theirs, if no other people were living on earth except cobalt miners, could their life be "easy"?

Then read the full statement. They're not slaves, that's a bullshit comment.

Oh, life's so easy! When you quit playing victim.

Then you should get off Actualized and get back to work, we need batteries. Obviously not the intended audience of the comment, Bloomer is talking about which path to take, not complaining about drinking contaminated water. You missed where I said "Yes don't work a job you hate". They're not slaves by the way, it's voluntary, this first world guilt is a mind warp too. If someone is screwing around on this forum, life is easy, most have surely pinned themselves into corners valuing bullshit, but easy life is still within their grasp whenever they want to choose it.

I think you're mixing some things up, understandably because it's a mind warp that's been going around, but working a job and having a family is a much more amazing life than a bachelor travelling around the world aimlessly. Yes don't work a job you hate, yes try to set yourself up to be wealthy, you can do this working 9 to 5 though. No, don't marry an annoying wife, no, don't marry or have kid's until you have your life setup for it, but all of these things are much easier to attain than they are often portrayed. Life's easy dude, and great, FAR easier than portrayed, FAR greater than portrayed, just be patient and walk the path you think you should walk, it will be great. Quit believing the bullshit about what to value though, don't value things and status, those are empty.

LOL, Destiny said Rittenhouse was shot at first.

What do you think about ' The Majority Report W/ Sam Seder'?

I don't follow what you're saying about "because If you go with that logic, then most modern medical treatments and tech should be destroyed and taken away," Like what other tech should be destroyed by using my logic? In my view this "tech" is harmful. I agrèe the depression needs addressed somehow though. But to me tradition, especially for children, offers useful structure that actually can help prevent depression. Also like I previously said I think there's enough social wiggle room where these kids should be able to get by being enough feminine or masculine, etc. as they want to be, we're rolling pretty good with social acceptance lately. Just as in that's how it used to be, we didn't use to remove children's penis', Although I will say we have mutilated children traditionally via circumcision and trimming clitoris', but I think we're outgrowing that. Well you can't take it off the table 100%, but you can make it so impractical that 99% of the population no longer view it as an option. Although being that there will always be the possibility of legalizing it, it could still be desired by some, but likely just adults not children, and especially not young children.

What other modern treatments would you say could also then be taken away? Abortion? I don't think that lines up in the same manner, society dissuades children from procreating so children having abortions still aligns with common thought. I would also say, my reasoning is not based in black and white logic, it's also based in tradition. Do you not agree that the availability(legal) of this treatment fosters gender dysphoria? I don't see parents getting away with taking there kids anywhere and returning with a transitioned kid, they'd still be prosecuted for child abuse or whatever.

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/ Is this the study you refer to? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35212746/ This one is small in size and duration, I don't see this anywhere near conclusive.

@zurewLike your statistics; if you give the kids options and then see which ones have depression, the ones that were granted their choice or the ones that weren't, that would be bad statistical interpretation to come to your conclusion. Would you mind referencing some statistics for me to look at?

So what about before we had these medical capabilities? The people just didn't have a chance? I'm curious what these statistics show prior to these transition capabilities. A theory of mine is that if you take away the option you take away the specific problem, albeit not the root problem, but by puting the option on the table you're spreading this new problem to more kids.

Unless a boy is wearing dresses to school or a girl is.... I don't know, we accept masculine girls already, but unless a boy is wearing a dress to school or something to that extreme, he can get away with some pretty feminine behavior fairly well like; piano, choir, painting, poetry, writing, swimming. What more social liberty does one need? I think the trans swimmer is too far in my opinion, swimming is already a feminine sport, I don't see requiring them to swim with their traditional gender to be harmful. It's not like they don't have a men's team, say maybe some girls activity I can't think of where there's no men's team, sure let them be on the women's team. I admit I'm ignorant here, but I'm trying to see your views and just don't.

So conceptualise a time where we're socially conscious as we are now, but still lack sex transition capabilities, in this scenario are theses people hopeless?

So do you not agree with " it is because they have a choice that they even have this problem"?

That's what I've assumed, it's because they're given the option, obviously given options some people are going to take different options. To me this makes me oppose it even more though or at least refuse to support it, I would say no to kids transitioning until I hear a better argument.

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I suppose once the box is opened you can't fully put it back in though.

Yeah I agree, but by that logic if it's outlawed then it's no longer an option or problem.

? I think you're being a little tongue and cheek but I'll ask in case you're being literal, so is it mainly about sex? I don't see what I would hate about being a girl enough to transition, nor do I see where the thought to transition would naturally cross my mind(you cover this in your next post).

@gettoefl So what about before we had these medical capabilities? The people just didn't have a chance?

What would "a female brain in a male body" look like? Just a feminine man that prefers traditional female roles? The thought has never crossed my mind "what gender am I", that doesn't make sense to me, I'm just more masculine or feminine than others and have a penis. I have a penis and enjoy it, I think if I had a vagina and breasts I would love that with my current mind and biology as well, I could rock being a girl too. I really have no bearing with this concept and I've struggled thinking about it for a few years. I am unable to imagine it being to a level to change sexes except from social pressure, I just know some people feel an extreme amount of social pressure from different things that leads to depression,....

If you have the time and energy I suggest you journal daily until you don't feel you need to. Write down what's on your mind, empty out your thoughts onto paper, don't try to force it any direction, see what comes out, if then the thought why do I feel like this or think about this pops up then write that down, for me it just wants to flow itself and I just let it out, like emotional and mental constipation, then cry or scream or whatever emotions you feel, experience it. To me it seems like we repress stuff and it just stays rolling around in our mind until we express it which let's it go, I feel lighter mentally, emotionally, and physically it releases body tension. Having a journal book that I like to write in and a pen I like helps me to want to start journaling when I should. I like the typical bound mead composition notebooks and the clear bic cristal original ballpoint capped pens, about the cheapest options and for some reason my favorite, the ballpoint dries faster so it doesn't smear when you're really emptying fast. Digital is too slow and screens put me off anyway. I really enjoy it, it's emotional yoga. Just get a girlfriend then, you'll see it's an irrational fear. Some fears are easier accomplished by doing rather than thinking. Accomplish your fears?, that was a subconscious slip.

This is obviously hard for me to understand. I suppose in reality it is easier for some to physically change their body than to be accepted by society for an untraditional gender role. It seems like a punt to me from the mental health community, but hey. So long as it's not recognized as a cure but a symptom reliever I suppose I'm not so opposed, obviously a last resort and rare.