Anton Rogachevski

I'll read as soon as possible! What about the fact the we both have experience in not Ultimately True?

@cetus You speak from experience? Have you been a jellyfish? How do you know it doesn't have a basic form of experience?

That's a brilliant definition and the most powerful part in my view is "what exists ultimately"? For me experience exists that is the only thing I simply can't doubt. But what does it mean for it to exist? Where does it exist? How do you define existence? "What is" wise sounding statement, but what does it mean?

Yep we want the Truth here right? What is the relationship between experience and Truth? How do you define Truth? If we may digress a little.

@cetus I'm trying really hard but can't see the difference between consciousness and experience. Are there two things?

@UnbornTao ❤️ What's the difference between Awareness, consciousness, and experience?

@Natasha Tori Maru Nice! It's one of the God features Leo is talking about too. I would say it's Phenomenologically omnipresent. (From the point of view of the perceiver) - therefore it seems as if it is, but it might be not. I used to get email notifications for comments but stopped getting them for some reason it's a shame really.

Yep exactly. It cannot by definition be an object of knowledge, as knowledge is second order, but being is first order.

@UnbornTao Start simply from the ground up. Have you experienced anything before you have started experiencing? To actually talk about something we have to ground it first. Before experience there was no experience, and after experience, there is no experience. Experience doesn't start, or ends, it appears infinite to itself. "humans or sentient beings" is secondary to experience, these are ideas arising within it, and could never occur without it. I can see what you mean though. If I imagine earth 4.5 billions of years ago when we were all the same floating space dust, this very dust eventually grew conscious somehow, and that's truly when experience (in a basic form) started, at least here on earth. This thought is very powerful for me, because that cloud of dust is you and me and everyone else - there is unity in that sense, and it's pretty cool.

@UnbornTao As I've said before, I'm for simplification and I don't see being as something separate from experience, it's another cool sounding synonym that Heidegger made popular. (But in his view Being is also the interpretation of the world through experience.) I would give it up easily to stay with only Undefinable Pure Experience as everything that exists or can exist from a Phenomenological perspective.

@Natasha Tori Maru I think you are exactly on point. Maybe these two aspects are not as separate as we think. I don't think there's any being at all, just pure experience. The being is a secondary phenomenon. What does this word even mean to you? "Being" To deviate slightly. Sorry Tao

How do you conclude being from experience?

What do you mean? What's the insight?

What do you mean?

Yes! It's so profound beyond any words. All I’ve said before is but the faint, flickering shimmer of a dying candle - dim beside the blazing light of all the suns in the universe. All words are empty shells that are so far from telling you what it really is that it's scary from this point of view. They may only spark some nice little imagination, but it's so Grand and so Profound, that it can only be experienced directly in order to understand. Thank you God! God is Love! Love is the way God sees everything. There's nothing to do but cry in pure ecstasy of Love and to just experience infinite gratitude. By the way, it's not through psychedelics. I am extremely sober. It does feel like MDMA x10 though. ------- Update: After some integration through the "normal" state. I can see that each state is a facet, a way in which experience can dance. It's True in the sense that experience may be like that, but it may also be in all the other states, including the normal and the low. They are all the Truth. I don't think that discriminating lower states because I can compare it to a higher one is wise. The best realization is to understand that I'm studying the nature of experience in all its shapes and forms and not to discriminate any one of them. God is not hidden but parts of it may be revealed through other states. When I say God, I also mean Experience or Consciousness. These are synonymous for me. The facet of Love specifically was revealed to me because I was in a very strong state of being in love with my girlfriend. So God is Love, but not only it. Love also revealed the Perfection aspect of God, because I saw experience in such a way that I wouldn't change anything about it, I saw how perfect it is. It's also revealing the Unity aspect, because I felt almost united with the whole of experience, and it was all shining with Love - It feels Divine and Pure in its nature. The secret I presume was the amazing ways in which our souls match and the deep mutual understanding and actually seeing each other while uniting in love. We made out for hours, but didn't sleep together, so I think that might be the way we generated this amazing Kundalini energy which caused this amazing state. The fact that she's reporting the same "spiritual" in nature sort of experience, and that she'd never had that kind of thing before kind of breaks my paradigm about the enclosed nature of experience. It may be connected somehow after all, maybe the awakening was mutual for us. That's pretty darn cool! After all she's God too, and finding her feels eternal like I've been missing her for eternity, missing myself my true nature. It's also Divine as it reveals the Angelic nature of humans seen through this lens. I saw it way back in my 200 microgram LSD trip where I realised that we are all like lucifer in a sense - fallen angels. We simply forget and we can't see our angelic nature, because divinity is not accessible in the normal state. So I'm saying something pretty radical. That a state of pure hate, or pure depression are also God. They are ways in which it can dance, and any such way must be therefore inherently Phenomenologically absolutely True. It wasn't a completely non-dual state as the ego was intact, but it felt so small and insignificant compared to the whole of me, Experience itself. Obviously it's not the end of the journey but only the beginning. I have much more to contemplate and integrate, and let's see hopefully my new relationship will reveal something even deeper in the months to come. Also I'm not gonna claim I'm enlightened, or that I know what you don't know. You know it, you are it. It's not hidden.

@aurum For a month.

That's what she just wrote to me, and we've just been on 4 dates. Also she was an atheist when I met her! Now what she writes doesn't fall short from even Rumi. "My love, I know you're sleeping right now, but I wanted to share another feeling and thought. I'm here on my bed, trying to fall asleep, and I miss you — and suddenly I realized that I've always missed you. I missed you even before I knew you existed. I missed you even before I looked at you for the first time. I missed you desperately. Today I realized that when we met, I introduced myself to someone I may have already known from countless other lifetimes. Maybe I truly did say "hello" at last to someone I've loved for eternity. 🩷 I love you, love of my life 🩷"

@aurum@Recursoinominado @UnbornTao @Breakingthewall @Leo Gura I have updated the original post with new insights post integration.

Agree. I tried to explain more in the comments.

@Breakingthewall Not so much just to share a cool experience and to try to find more words to describe it through talking with you guys.

Perfection comes to mind. The thought that "I wouldn't change anything about this experience." It is revealed through the higher state apparently. You can only call it a "state" if you remember other states, which are not present in the now. Like now, I can only refer back to it as a state because I can recall it and compare to the present state, that we usually call the "normal" state.

@kbone ❤️

The shape was not revealed, but it felt like every part of experience was Divine and shinning intensely with unconditional Love and just a pure bliss. It's formeless in a sense.

@kray Why do you think that your belief or disbelief matters?