Anton Rogachevski

That's a brilliant definition and the most powerful part in my view is "what exists ultimately"? For me experience exists that is the only thing I simply can't doubt. But what does it mean for it to exist? Where does it exist? How do you define existence? "What is" wise sounding statement, but what does it mean?

Yep we want the Truth here right? What is the relationship between experience and Truth? How do you define Truth? If we may digress a little.

@cetus I'm trying really hard but can't see the difference between consciousness and experience. Are there two things?

@UnbornTao ❤️ What's the difference between Awareness, consciousness, and experience?

@Natasha Tori Maru Nice! It's one of the God features Leo is talking about too. I would say it's Phenomenologically omnipresent. (From the point of view of the perceiver) - therefore it seems as if it is, but it might be not. I used to get email notifications for comments but stopped getting them for some reason it's a shame really.

Yep exactly. It cannot by definition be an object of knowledge, as knowledge is second order, but being is first order.

@UnbornTao Start simply from the ground up. Have you experienced anything before you have started experiencing? To actually talk about something we have to ground it first. Before experience there was no experience, and after experience, there is no experience. Experience doesn't start, or ends, it appears infinite to itself. "humans or sentient beings" is secondary to experience, these are ideas arising within it, and could never occur without it. I can see what you mean though. If I imagine earth 4.5 billions of years ago when we were all the same floating space dust, this very dust eventually grew conscious somehow, and that's truly when experience (in a basic form) started, at least here on earth. This thought is very powerful for me, because that cloud of dust is you and me and everyone else - there is unity in that sense, and it's pretty cool.

@UnbornTao As I've said before, I'm for simplification and I don't see being as something separate from experience, it's another cool sounding synonym that Heidegger made popular. (But in his view Being is also the interpretation of the world through experience.) I would give it up easily to stay with only Undefinable Pure Experience as everything that exists or can exist from a Phenomenological perspective.

@Natasha Tori Maru I think you are exactly on point. Maybe these two aspects are not as separate as we think. I don't think there's any being at all, just pure experience. The being is a secondary phenomenon. What does this word even mean to you? "Being" To deviate slightly. Sorry Tao

How do you conclude being from experience?

What do you mean? What's the insight?

What do you mean?

@aurum For a month.

@aurum@Recursoinominado @UnbornTao @Breakingthewall @Leo Gura I have updated the original post with new insights post integration.

Agree. I tried to explain more in the comments.

@Breakingthewall Not so much just to share a cool experience and to try to find more words to describe it through talking with you guys.

Perfection comes to mind. The thought that "I wouldn't change anything about this experience." It is revealed through the higher state apparently. You can only call it a "state" if you remember other states, which are not present in the now. Like now, I can only refer back to it as a state because I can recall it and compare to the present state, that we usually call the "normal" state.

@kbone ❤️

The shape was not revealed, but it felt like every part of experience was Divine and shinning intensely with unconditional Love and just a pure bliss. It's formeless in a sense.

@kray Why do you think that your belief or disbelief matters?

@OBEler I did study and contemplate it for nearly 10 years. So I had the fish net when going fishing As I said surprisingly it was a very loving romantic relationship that triggered it!

As I said, nothing I can say will do it justice. I don't think that it was completely non-dual as I was sober, but the intensity of love was just unimaginable. I'm still in disbelief and integrating. I think it might be an intense Heart Awakening. God was there but as presence of Divine Love. The self was there, but it was like a faint and insignificant little shadow, but the whole of me seemed an infinite light. The trigger very surprisingly was a very loving romantic relationship. I never thought something like this can induce such a state. When we are together we just stare into each other's eyes in disbelief, and it feels timeless and like an amazing unity. It's not even close to any other relationship, like 100x times more loving. I just don't have words I keep saying "wow you are an angel I love you" and the words seem like empty shells compared to what's in front of us.

I did some MDMA and 200 microgram LSD that was near non dual and very profound. It's not safe at all and should be treated with great respect and caution. I just love sanity, I find it central to my epistemology, and I'm not gonna dismantle it with powerful psychedelics for the sake of some supposed "hidden truths". My approach is more akin to Buddhism in that sense, but it's also highly technical and abstract.

@Deziree I must stay open-minded about it. It's not as easy as my definition makes it look. The theme of sanity and insanity seems central to the Enlightenment practice, so I'm fascinated to hear the perspective of someone who had many many enlightenment experiences. Some say that sanity is merely one state out of an infinite amount of possible states, and when you experience more and more, it just shows you how relative it actually was.

@Deziree It's hard to understand what you mean. Try to clarify your question please.