Razard86

Your right but how you say it sounds so complicated.

It only kills other, and it only kills your human self as a non fictional character. It makes your human self a fiction just like Santa Claus or a Unicorn. You can basically say you are both dead and alive. Dead because the human self is not really real, alive because the human self borrows its realness from God. The only thing that is REAL is God so as a result everything God creates is real by proxy or relationship. But since everything is God...you could just say everything is REAL since REAL has no other because REAL IS IMAGINARY because there is only IMAGINATION. REAL has no other, and Imagination has no other, so God in it's Infinite Intelligence creates a duality between Imaginary and Real.

All there is....is eternal imagination. This imagination is infinitely intelligent and always present and always aware of what it's doing. It doesn't need to see what it is doing to do what it is doing. It doesn't need to feel what it is doing to do what it is doing. It can just...do it, no constraints exist to stop it from accomplishing what it is doing. This imagination is all encompassing because it is not physical it cannot be divided, since it is all encompassing it cannot be located or bound or held anywhere. It is completely free to do whatever it pleases and because it is Love it is fine and content with whatever it is doing. As such it cannot know evil, it cannot know suffering, as such it is absolute pure goodness. Because it is infinitely intelligent it knows everything and because it is aware of everything it cannot be surprised. It is pure power, because it has no constraints to limit its expression, and pure will because it cannot be defied or overcome so it can construct and create/manifest whatever its pure love desires. Eternal Imagination=Eternal Mind. Close your eyes, imagine an apple, now put your awareness on that apple in your mind. Focus on it. Focus on it enough till you can feel the apple like physical touch. THAT is the substance of ALL of reality. That's it! You have just discovered God!! You can do another exercise, take your fingers rub them against each other, put your awareness on that sensation. While your doing that imagining yourself rubbing your hands in your mind and focus on this until it feels as real as when you do it with your hands. Understand that you as God made two levels of imagination that are completely identical in their substance but not in their depth. Human imagination does not feel as Real as what you call Real life. But the point is to notice that the substance is the same!!! If you accomplish this it gives you access to Infinite Imagination, you feel the presence of God ALL AROUND you if you can become aware that your human imagination is really God!!! This opens up the possibility to feel PURE LOVE in your surroundings. THIS is REAL spiritual practice, because it is absolutely direct!!! Merge your human imagination with God's imagination and then you will realize why there cannot be OTHER, and why God has to hide itself to construct Other.

Which is what I said....but be careful because you are limiting God. There is ONLY imagination. As such....everything is being imagined so there is no difference between anything because EVERYTHING is imagination.

Not stealing their body lol. Breaking the boundary so there is no separation. Here is a video of 2 guys tripping together and their minds merged and they couldn't tell the difference between who was who. Also people who have OBE's have stated they could access the thoughts of people who were still in their body. What you all need to understand is this attachment to OTHER is a delusion. There is only YOU. There is only GOD and that's it. Everything else is just your human mind creating the sense of OTHER. Infinity is total, and it is NOTHINGNESS. You literally cannot divide nothingness. The only reason other is so convincing is because Infinity Intelligence makes it convincing and then your LOVE of other seals the deal. But other than that...it's an illusion. My ego doesn't like this message lol which is funny because in the beginning I didn't have an issue with it. But here is an irony...while I was tripping last year and investigating Solipsism my mind created an other (a voice) and that voice was created to debunk Solipsism!! It was very funny eventually I had an awakening through that process of how other was created and it is profoundly intelligent how God constructs other. Very intelligent. It hides information from itself so it can be surprised and it makes other unique in a different way which creates a sense of individuality. Really amazing!!

Can't divide nothingness, that's why it's not falsifiable. But at the same time everything God creates is Sovereign and equally God. Infinity of Gods still equals Solipsism. If you are doubting it then you don't understand what Nothingness is. The substance of Reality is nothingness. Please explain how you divide nothingness?

You got it. Don't let people on these forums make you think that when that human body ends some how you are going to change. You are Infinity right now. You are just experiencing Infinity as finite for now.

The secret is the Individual state is not going to drop because you need it for survival purposes. For example a doorknob doesn't need a sense of self because it doesn't have pain receptors or emotions. The only purpose of the No Self Awakening is to realize that at your core you are Selfless and that you have to use your imagination to construct/build/erect a self. This is why this ego death stuff is an illusion. The ego is supposed to only drop temporarily. And No self is only half the coin, the other half is the Universal Self which is what you should really be gunning for because it removes the illusion of separation completely. If you only go for No Self that is a delusion because you have to detach yourself from existence which is really Spiritual Bypassing if left as it is. By recognizing you are also the Self you become full circle and become the complete whole self in your experience. No Self is not this not that, The Self is I AM EXISTENCE. You are both and have always been.

I get it...but hey humans are weird as hell and that weirdness is not going anywhere because God is weird as hell! Humans are only a small taste of God's weirdness. I have a saying whenever anything weird or annoying happens...it happened cause Infinity. LOL

Thanks yeah that is my goal, I aim to be even more direct than Leo. But I need to state that even though I am grateful for everything I have got here....it was the toughest thing I ever went through. I recognize that my definition of REAL is different than Leo. I have realized that an important caveat is each individual part of God's perspective is Sovereign and as such they each must come to their own definition of what REAL is. For me there is no difference between REAL and Imagination. I had to realize that Leo's interpretation to me didn't make sense. For example he has said that if you have any sense of there being Reality that is falsehood and I vehemently disagree with him. Real= A construction. Something that is arranged. Real= Imagination, as there is only Imagination. As such there is literally no difference between Real and Imaginary and to claim there is....is what falsehood is. A unicorn is not less Real than me. Super Mario is not less Real than me. But this is because their Realness comes from ME. Because I am the only thing that is REAL. God gives the gift of whatever it creates the power to be REAL. This is the only reason life can quote on quote fool you that it is Real, because YOU are making it Real. So this thing called Maya? The only Maya is separation. So as such your human self IS REAL, because GOD is REAL and there is only GOD. Trust me I tested that nonsense Leo said and discovered he had a small delusion borne of his attempts to rid himself of his humanness. He erroneously thinks that his humaneness is some how inherently corrupt etc.... Anyway the only reason why so many people will struggle is because they can fall into depersonalization. I actually got to experience it....it was interesting to say the least.

These are all links that helped me on my Spiritual Journey (only including Actualized.org sources) there are other sources that I used in the past but I wanted to keep them exclusively to this site so we can stop having new people coming to this site having to ask the same questions over and over making Leo threads asking him the same stuff. We can all admit that Leo doesn't always give satisfying answers in some threads while in others he does (it might be fatigue not sure why) but these threads helped me in understanding my own trips and realizations (I'm blessed in that seeing through self-deception comes easy to me...many people on this forum are self-deceived and are stubbornly so). I do Spirituality in a Scientific way. I tripped multiple times, meditated, and compared and contrasted different trip reports and perspectives of various people on here and youtube and ancient teachings. At a certain point certain things keep repeating themselves. Also since my base line Consciousness is lived Soberly as Direct Consciousness I can absolutely agree that traditional Buddhist Teachings are deluded. All that exists is Universal Mind. This is what all is mind means. So anybody that makes their teachings using terms like No Mind will confuse people who are new because that language will deceive them that there is actually something that isn't mind. I know when they say that they are pointing to the human mind/ego mind/conditioned mind, but its better to just say that. Many people on this path are too dogmatic and too addicted in trying to sound profound that they destroy the clarity of Spiritual Teachings. If you are truly sincere you will only want to help spread proper understanding. Anyway just my two cents....here are the Threads where Leo Gura answers many questions that get repeated on this site. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15 16. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/15797-you-have-100-free-will-and-you-also-have-no-free-will-the-other-side-of-the-paradox/ I usually avoid threads that are attack threads of Leo because usually its some weak arguments devoid of any deep spiritual work (not always but usually) but I think this thread has some beautiful responses so I'll link it here. Now for some of Leo's blog posts...... 17. https://www.actualized.org/insights/thoughts-on-unconditional-love This next blog post is really the only reason I was able to find Spirituality and discover God. I was raised Christian, and even though Christianity is a corruption of God's message for humanity it was integral to my journey. As this blog post explains Religion only exists because God exists. 18. https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-126 Last but not least next link is a thread Flying Lotus did of Non Youtube Videos of Leo talking about various topics which can add to a deeper understanding of his content. Now understand all these threads are good for contemplation and integration but a couple of things need to be said. 1. Reading on the forums is NOT TRUE Spiritual Work towards awakening. It can be Spiritual Work as a SHARING but it is NOT Spiritual Work towards awakening. With that said...could you have a spontaneous awakening from consuming Spiritual Content? Yes!!! It has happened to me sober before so its possible as everything helps along your journey. But what is more effective in general is STATE CHANGE!!! You must focus on CHANGING YOUR STATE. The conditioned mind is VERY HARD to escape because you believe it to be you, it's really only a part of you, not the whole thing. It's funny because the conditioned mind blocks you from being able to perceive the PERFECTION of REALITY. REALITY is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, but its perfection is blocked by all your judgments. 2. The key to this work is Self-Honesty. YOU WILL NOT REACH GOD THROUGH LIES. Understand that ANYONE who denies the existence of God is a FOOL. And I am not just talking a kind of fool.....I am saying they are so supremely deluded they are the most deluded human walking on the planet. Why? Because they are God....believing that there is no God!!!! Do you know how deluded that is? It's like denying there is a present moment!!! If you see anyone on this forum denying the existence of God understand that they are a FOOL. 3. Now....this needs to be said.....and is VERY IMPORTANT!!!! Doubt everything I say, doubt everything Leo says, Doubt even your own self and ONLY TRUST DIRECT EXPERIENCE!! The only TRUE KNOWLEDGE you have in your possession is that which you have DIRECTLY VERIFIED. This is the key to not being deluded. If you have not directly verified something then you are IGNORANT BY DEFAULT and can only know it as a human imaginary concept. Human imaginary concept IS NOT TRUTH! So do not lie to yourself, if you haven't experienced something YOU DO NOT KNOW IT!!! Understand....God is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. God only adds to its understanding through EXPERIENCE!! Experience is the ONLY THING THAT IS TRUTH!!! This is the only way you can protect yourself from being lost in Self-Deception. . One thing you will discover if you do enough research is that each part of God experiences Reality differently but this includes God Realization. Yes Pure Consciousness is Nothingness so yes that part is universal, but it is also everything and that everythingness how it chooses to express itself is unique to the individual avatar. So you will ask...how do I know I reached what Leo is talking about? Well first and foremost the most important thing is to understand what was stated above, This video reinforces it. Now Leo had a quote in one of his videos where he said your sense of self will spill out into the surrounding area and everything will feel like you. So what does this mean? When you become aware of what PURE AWARENESS is (which is a feeling) you will become aware....that EVERYTHING is awareness. When this happens everything will feel as YOUR BODY. The wall, the insect, people, leaves, the veil of separation that people refer to....it actually isn't a veil....its subtlety. It was always there....but its so soft....so barely felt that you don't actually feel it. The true purpose of meditating is to make that subtlety NOT SUBTLE. When you do this....your mind will become UNIVERSAL and you will feel like you are IN everything. It really creates a whole new experiential world....and this is where you can start to feel alone...as your experience can change so drastically that nobody you know or listen to has that kind of wacky experience of reality. For example I don't watch cartoons...I AM CARTOONS THAT is how I experience them. I don't play video games...I AM THE VIDEO GAME. I'm not trying to brag here because I realize this is all possible for other humans. With that said....the process can and will probably be MESSY (it was for me) because my body had to CHANGE!!! My brain and neurons were changed and it was not always comfortable. This pursuit actually sent me to the psyche ward a couple of times because my brain started doing weird things. Anyway just know this path is not always straightforward. For example I once temporarily lost the ability to hear it corrected itself after like two minutes but it did scare me and I had to trust everything will pan out. The other scare I had was during the process of my reality becoming aware of its oneness I felt temporarily I had two bodies in one body (that felt extremely uncomfortable) when I would look at someone thankfully it corrected it after a couple of seconds where I was able to feel I was them but also my individual self at the same time. So weirdness can happen. 4. What I disagree with Leo on: Leo has stated his belief that genetics plays a big role in barring people from God Realization. This is where I disagree. God Realization is free for everyone if they TRULY WANT IT!! You have to want it so bad, that everything becomes inconsequential in comparison....even your own life as a human. You really do have to overcome fear of Death to reach God. I know its a tall task, but that is the only thing that TRULY stops you. With that said...yes your genetics do play a role. Some people are really Spiritually Super Human, but what I have learned through my communion with God.....and yes I know it sounds sappy but Love really does conquer all. If you have TRUE LOVE for your pursuit of the Infinite...it will take you and annihilate your conditioned mind. Because it is PURE LOVE, PURE TRUTH, and it loves you more than your human love could ever hope to compare too. It's actually quite funny when you discover TRUE LOVE within you, because it feels familiar like it was there the whole time....because....it was. The gift of true love is behind the passion of every Spiritual Teacher/Sharer. True Love is so beautiful....you realize all you want to do is share it and talk about it for eternity. It's grasp is so strong....you can't escape....which is why it makes sense why God has to hide from itself to create anything....because God is to good to be true....but it is....so it can only be something other if it deludes itself. I hope you discover you are TRUE LOVE!!!

I've awakened that there is no difference between the human perspective and God. We only use terms like human, and God because the experience is different. But its the same being there every time. For example I once left my body and went straight to God. I was an infinite mind creating things on the fly. While I was in that state....I still remembered I use to be a human only moments before and my thinking didn't change. All that happened was I was communicating with an Infinite Intelligence, had no freaking body at all ( I was like a camera basically lol just witnessing and communicating telepathically with what was there. At that point I started to feel sad because I thought my like has ended in my 30's and I wanted to complete the human life and as soon as I had that thought....Reality Pixealted itself back into the human life that I had known earlier and I was back being the human version of me again.

Lol I'm sorry to tell you...the Spirituality Forum is FULL of it. We actually do a good job of attracting people who struggle with mental health issues. I won't say everyone does because it takes a discerning eye to see through a person going through an Awakening Process which can create temporary mental instability, and someone who is just mentally unhealthy. But Spirituality is inherently full of Spiritual egos running amok each looking for time in the Spotlight. I'd suggest if you are becoming annoyed with anyone in particular (I apologize if I am one of those people LOL) then just block them. You can block them by clicking on your Profile in the top right hand corner of the screen. Going to ignored users and copy pasting their name. It lets you block their signatures, their mentions, their posts, and them from even messaging you. Solves the problem of annoying people for your viewing pleasure.

lol

You aight man? You seem frustrated.

Did you awake to No Self?

I left my body once and *died* and went straight to God. My entire memory of my life as a human was still there. Sure I no longer had a body and was just pure light and recognized that me and God were completely identical....but my human thinking pattern was still there. So creating distinctions between ego and God is itself a delusion also. The ego is also God....because there is only God literally.....only God here....always was and always will be...only God and that's it.

Lol he said no Infinite....without the Infinite....there is no existence at all. There is nothing but infinity. To deny Infinity....is the most foolish statement to make. At the same time....infinity holds all paradoxes so of course infinity would include....saying it doesn't exist.

Enlightenment, classic enlightenment is just the realization that the individual self is just a construction and that your true self is no self. Basically you are nothing and are just creating an identity on the fly in the present moment using your mind. It also ties into impermanence and how whatever you identify with never lasts and everything about you is always changing.

Umm you can....and its not Spiritual ego. If you think thats Spiritual ego...then you are creating a Spiritual ego to be afraid of....which is Spiritual ego. No self is nothing. The other stuff I just mentioned are the other facets of the Universal Mind that you are. If you have not awakened to Absolute Goodness and Perfection then you couldn't even properly understand Morality for example. So there is a ton of integration there to be had. But hey...assume you are the expert here and fall into the very ego you fear. That which you fear you resist, that which resists, persists.

Have you awakened to the Universal Self? Have you awakened to Absolute Goodness? Have you awakened to Absolute Perfection? Have you awakened to Pure Love? Have you awakened to Absolute Truth? Have you awakened to the fact that you are God? If not...well there ya go.

Thanks for your Sincerity

What I love about God Realization is it opens up your mind to TRUE SELF UNDERSTANDING. I mean you REALLY start to understand why cultures think the way they do. I'm not talking at the level of concept, but through the level of EXPERIENCE. You can only truly understand someone through GOD. All conditioned minds will never truly understand someone or something, TRUE UNDERSTANDING= TRUE LOVE. Picture if you could walk into a room of criminals....and completely understand why they think the way they think not as a concept....but as an experience!!! That's when you become what is called in the "Hood" a REAL ONE not a poser or faker. When I was shown this it made me laugh....God actually created the HOOD, RAP/HIP HOP etc. I'm black so I guess God was tapping into that part of me. I had an experience of God's divinity while watching MC Hammer's Can't Touch This because I became aware of the Infinite Intelligence and Creativity of that Old School Rap Song. LOL. It's hilarious how I don't see anyone talking about this. God Realization creates TRUE APPRECIATION for art beyond regular human understanding. Only people who don't try to box Spirituality into some type of culture can understand and have true appreciation but paradoxically judging them for doing so will block you from TRULY UNDERSTANDING them and why they do it. So basically keep an open mind to understand the genius of God's play here. Cause we are just God dreaming all of reality Artistically.

If you take the substance too or have an OBE....you can experience the Salvia trip as him.

Leo is people's dream character doing exactly that. I won't lie when I became Conscious of this I was like they should turn it into a Movie. Cause it's the funniest thing ever!!