Razard86

If something real couldn't emerge....then you wouldn't know what real is. Because you KNOW what real is....real exists. Saying everything is real and there is no illusion is EQUAL to saying everything is unreal. That is the point I am communicating. You are lost in meaning and are denying it. Reality is and Illusion and Illusion is reality, Everything is Pure imagination, Everything is Real, are ALL EQUALLY accurate statements. If it weren't so, all of this wouldn't go down the drain if I took a chain saw to you. Your next question needs to be, what does it mean to say something is REAL. What is REAL? If you can answer that, then you have full understanding. God knows what REAL is, it takes an infinite intelligence to know what REAL is, and the present moment is PROOF of that.

You have made meaninglessness into an identity and you don't even know it. It's a phase, we'll see how long it lasts. Also there is a meaning to it. If there wasn't, we wouldn't be able to communicate. Meaninglessness and meaning are the same thing. When you say there is no meaning, THAT is meaning!!! Now to someone who doesn't know English...THAT would be meaninglessness. So you see, you are communicating meaning while calling it meaninglessness and this is just mental game of self-deception. The point of saying things like its an apparent illusion, is to wake a person up to what's going on, not to have their ego attach to it and keep repeating that everything is an illusion with no meaning. When someone asked Tony Parson's if the appearance has no meaning he responded "I never said it doesn't have meaning." I bust out laughing and was like "Tony they are so scared to be deluded that when they realize it's an illusion they will keep repeating it to themselves because they are afraid to fall asleep again. Nobody walks into a movie theater and states "It's all an appearance, it has no meaning whatsoever." No, they enjoy the movie and individually, create their own meaning. There is no difference between meaning and lack of meaning. Construct awareness is the realization that you always create meaning, even...in silence. You cannot escape duality with non duality because non duality....is duality. The only way to escape duality, is to combine non duality WITH duality. Otherwise....you become foolish....or as the non-dualists say "An apparent fool."

Please read your title. And please read what I bolded.

Because of survival.

^^^I apologize that you have to deal with non-dual responses when you talk about a dualistic concept. Apparently non-duals....create an identity against duality with non-duality and then must play non-dual games to defeat duality. Such is the nature of a non-dualist after discovering the nature of the illusory individual I. They go on a torrent rampage to deny all of duality as apparent and thus utterly meaningless, unbeknownst to them, that they create meaning by denouncing meaning. Because meaninglessness is defined by meaning. The Non-Dualists does not realize that all language is part of the appearance, so they are like a picture frame with a picture and a label that says " There is no appearance...appearing in the picture frame."

There is so much fear of alone. The aloneness is obvious. A void is singular. But what can arise in that void is infinite. When I entered the void there was only me, no other. And every account of the void has been the same. I really don't understand all this fear. Calling it a concept is falsity. It is what is true. True unity would be an infinite singular. Singular..is one.

The individual I has zero control. That is the funniest thing you discover.

Does your mind find a way to think of a bunch of what ifs? Does it constantly remind you of your lack of control? Does it constantly create perspectives of how not having absolute control is unfair and how things should go your way because you see things the right way? If this is so, you have a victim mentality mindset. The single biggest cause of mental/emotional suffering is the repeated perspective thinking pattern that expresses/communicates how things have not gone, are not going, and might not go the way they are supposed to go. Here is a saying I made....there are many professions in life, but there is one profession that does not pay and that is professional victimhood. Although I could flip it and say it does pay, but you don't want the currency. It pays in misery and suffering. In fact I don't even know why I said misery and suffering since they are the same thing....we will go with suffering and simplify it. So there you have it. The more you hate not being in control, the more you suffer in life. And that is all that is going on when it comes to suffering. Seek to overcome these perspectives with the realization that you don't actually need to be controlling anything because everything is just going to do what it is. Become a professional at saying "It is, what it is." I have read a ridiculous amount of books gone to seminars, worked on myself my entire life and what I can say is even when you give a human mind the best advice, it will never stop seeking for more advice. The human mind wants every perspective it can handle. It is never satisfied. It is a gluttonous information seeker because it wants the best strategies to gain control. Understand that the burden of being human is you are born with a mind that is a control freak and how much of a control freak you are varies by human to human. At the level you want control is equal to the level of suffering you will be hit with emotionally when a lack of control presents itself. Now the secret is the ego has never controlled anything. The ego is a linguistic pattern of communication which creates an individual identity and it constructs this identity using all data at its disposal. If you were never taught language and taught how to think a specific way (socialization) you would be like a wild animal. The human ego is the only thing that can create mental suffering. Once you awaken to this construct awareness that you are literally creating suffering through constant patterned thinking that *MAKES SENSE* (if it doesn't make sense to you, you wouldn't believe it. Your perspectives have a specific logic, a specific ideology) and you adhere to this sense making like glue. This is why honesty is so important. You can only deconstruct yourself from your narratives with intellectual honesty. You must rid yourself of self-serving individual propaganda you create in your mind and seek to find the most objective viewpoint. How would you find that? The most objective viewpoint would include all subjective viewpoints joined together in a soup of understanding. Each viewpoint would have its say until one solution comes out the winner. Guess what is happening every moment? What do you think Infinite Will is doing? What is really going on? The closer you get to pure objectivity the better you will be at understanding and actually seeing the world as it is, not with the selfish blinders you are currently wearing.

Morality has never been a complicated issue. The complicated issue has been implementing it. If you want a moral code it goes like this. 1. Whichever action maximizes the individual fitness and creative expression for all. 2. This means all of countries resources should be centered around expanding opportunities for all, free training for all levels for all. Free support for all maladies for all. 3. Within every human is an understanding of how things COULD look like if we weren't so selfish but collectively we are. 4. Also there is an age old ethic about whether you should sacrifice the few to save the many, the answer to that is easy. You use available resources to try to salvage/save the few but if you cannot save them you have to sever them. It's not difference than if your leg was detrimental to your body and needed to be cut off for your survival. You try your best to save it but if you can't then you off it. Now the real question would be, when has it become too worse off to save? The difficulty in implementing morality is dealing with the various interest groups which seek to keep their power in spite of how it impacts the whole, and knowing when you cannot save the few who are dangerous to the whole. A true morality would lead with compassion, empathy, forgiveness, but also have the capability to be a stone cold killer if needed and would be decisive and swift in that action. Rare is the person/leader, much less the organization with that type of fortitude. But a true test of morality is your ability to answer ethical dilemmas. So if you want a moral system....create some ethical dilemmas right now and then think up best what is the optimal system. Understand even if you think of the best moral system, it doesn't mean others will be selfless enough to implement it. The most important part of morality, is the developmental level of those implementing it. When it comes to building and optimizing the moral system from the ground up, studying how the systems of our bodies and other bodies of living organisms and emulating them (while adjusting for the emotional bias component absent from these systems) would be a good start. Systems thinking would be at the core of building a moral code. The code would be fluid and lead with principles of first do no or as little harm as possible, focus on support and empowerment and the development of autonomy, and then streamlining of resources and communication while supporting creativity and innovation. With the ability to be cold-hearted in times of emergency when you have to amputate the rotten part. For an outside the box example of systems thinking in action in nature....here is an example. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brains-are-not-required-when-it-comes-to-thinking-and-solving-problems-simple-cells-can-do-it/

I.....swear....you made this topic before......

Reality is a construct, the universe is a construct. It is constructed of nothingness. So of course a thought is a construct that is what imagination is, it is the power to construct which is the power to build which is the power to create. God is a constant dream. It either dreams itself as a void, or as non apparent, or it dreams up an appearance, all with the power of thought. Where do you think the power of thought comes from? If you could with your mind think the sun out of existence you would literally be using the power of God.

You love to quote Leo. Leo has stated that a chair is a thought, that reality is thoughts. I am not playing with words, I am presenting something to your resistant mind that is playing games. If I ask someone what a memory is they will say a thought. If I ask someone what a dream is they will say it's a thought. If I ask someone what a hallucination is they will says it's a thought. I haven't changed any definition of words you just lack intellectual honesty and are playing games and then accusing me of playing games. I sent that link so you could see Leo explain to Curt that reality is a bunch of thoughts. You don't even understand right now that your human psyche is just an intricate web of thoughts overlaid, the thoughts of reality. You are not looking at a physical world. You are looking at a mind. Everything you see is mental imagery. Everything you experience is mental. Reality is a mental construction. There is no difference between your dreams at night which are thoughts, and what you call real life. That's it. It's simple.

Good analogy.

You are lost in concept. Watch the video link to understand. The only difference between your human imagination and God's imagination is state of consciousness. I could hit you over the head with a baseball bat and give you God Consciousness. This is why Reality is a hallucination. A brain injury, psychedelics, prolonged fasting can put you in states where your ability to think up mental imagery spawns entire worlds. You are too much in the ancient classical mystic texts. Human imagination is just a less intense version of God imagination. The day you realize that there is no difference between the mental images of your mom than what you call your mom is the day you will understand.

https://youtu.be/YspFR9JAq3w?si=4b124wJ3OQ6sAXyW

Consciousness is a universal mind. A mind produces thought. An unlimited mind's thoughts are literally creation itself. God can think of the planet earth, and there is the planet earth. To help you understand thar your current ability to think is the same as reality try this experiment. Go to a faucet turn on the water and put your hand in it. Focus on the feeling of the water on your hand. Keep doing it and really focus on that feeling. Turn the faucet off, remove your hand and through memory recreate the feeling of the water hitting your hand. With sufficient imagination you can recreate the sensation of water with memory. This will prove to you that everything you have ever experienced in life was just thoughts.

I agree, I have found that people who don't suffer anxious thoughts a lot for example minimalists for example might not need you to teach them a meditative practice. But I will admit, even though I never really suffered before spirituality, I wasn't as peaceful to the same extent I am now. I was a lot more competitive and conflict oriented so I'll admit meditation 🧘‍♀️ does have a strong impact on calming the mind.

Your vessel has those limitations because you tell it that. Close your eyes, imagine a bird flying. Now observe that imaginary bird. Feel into it. Do it until you realize that bird is just a sensation. Next touch your hand, realize that too is a sensation. Notice the bird you imagined was a form. It had shape, it had color and it had the feeling of a sensation. Now ask yourself...what is the difference between your imaginary thought just now and your hand. Keep doing this till you realize there is no difference between a thought, an image in your mind, and an image in what you call reality. If you do this long enough eventually you discover all is mind. And everything is imaginary which is the same as saying everything is thought. Thoughts are the most powerful force in existence because all creation is thought.

Real and imaginary are the same thing. Your power as God makes imaginary real. If I cut off your hands with a chain saw that will feel very real and if I steal all your belongings that will feel real. Real and imaginary are identical. If they were not, you couldn't tell a difference between your day dreams and regular reality. Don't get too hung up on it being imaginary, we call it reality for a reason.

There is no limit of thought, all of existence is a thought. That's it. It's imagination. What is imagination, it's a thought. All of experience is just thoughts in the universal mind. Also I don't play Non dual games. You are full of assumptions. I point to truth, that is all. Many of you are full of dogmatic assumptions, rigid minds, and as a result you limit your ability to experience reality. Your daily experience can be a sober trip if your mind is open enough. The only thing that limits perceptions ability to express itself is dogmatic assumptions.

Oh well then you got it. If you can feel everything inside you moving through you then you got it. Now...next up Cartoon Consciousness! Can you become aware that drawings are alive? That one really takes an open mind.

We are talking about absolute solipsism which says you are every ego and thus alone. You can reach a state where you can experience another person's body as your body. You can feel their pain, hear their thoughts, even see through their eyes, but you would have to reach a very high state to pull it off. Many people who have had NDE's report being able to do this during an NDE.

You are correct that it's a transitory fade out, but we can still call it deep sleep. For example before your first memory of your human life...was deep sleep.

You can definitely deny your human self out of existence. But it is still part of the scenary. But if you want to experience reality like those Neo Advaita do you can certainly do that.