Razard86

1. You don't understand what late to the party even means. Its not a time issue, if it was Leo would be late to the party since Spirituality is an ancient practice. Hinduism is the oldest religion and many of the Spiritual concepts are heavily influenced by Hinduism. So from that perspective you don't even make sense. But again its not a time issue. Second there are many people on this forum who have contributed many unique insights and perspectives on Spirituality and Leo isn't the only teacher there are many. Since you are trying to equivocate Tate in the manosphere to the people on this forum I challenge you to tell me something Tate has said that is profound or meaningful. Now be wary I was in the manosphere for 2 years. I understand the manosphere inside and out. I know there ideology I even know the history of why it got started and why it currently exists. I could write a book about this cultural movement which is a movement that actually helped Jordan Peterson become successful. So my issue with Tate is he isn't original, he does not give off a desire to push the movement to new heights, he is just hear there for money and attention. Also you cannot be in the red pill mindset and be into spirituality. The red pill can be boiled down to service to self, mistrust of others, there was a redpill Youtuber I used to follow who literally said You should not love, in fact a couple I know said that. The manosphere is a movement that is literally afraid of love because they believe they will be taken advantage of if they love. Some even say love doesn't exist. You really don't understand how dangerous and a step back the manosphere is. The only real benefit from the manosphere is personal development, and practicality which is all important. But it makes you blind. The manosphere itself is an expression of love, yet the people in the movement are telling you that love doesn't exist. Love is passion. Do you see and hear the passion of the men in the manosphere? They love masculinity, they love manhood, and they are telling you love doesn't exist? Its foolish, its the blind leading the blind!! Most will fall in and NEVER escape. So again what has Tate contributed besides fancy cars, and videos with hot women in it? Many of the red pill guys would actually warn you to not admire such a lifestyle and to focus on yourself.

I agree, I believe everything in life is a profound message of the divine if you look closely so we are in agreement here. I just don't believe most have the discernment to get the right message and might actually try to be like him. But sure if they have the right maturity they would understand how to glean from him the aspects that are positive but again here is my issue. 1. Tate is late to the party. 2. Everything Tate currently says...has been said before. I haven't heard a single new ideology or theme from him that the manosphere hasn't said. 3. I used to be in the manosphere myself 2 years ago studying the female male social dynamic because I was tracking the global divide that has been happening. 4. So while I agree Tate has some good messages the problem is he isn't original, and there are better messengers who also embody a more positive ideology. If you have to go through the stages I would call Tate a trap.

I agree I have always said your haters love you its why they pay attention to you. You only pay attention to what you love, attention is attachment. Its why I laugh when people complain about something and then say "I don't really care." It's like you do, stop deluding yourself lol.

I have often heard it say, oh your identity is your beliefs, and this is true. But I just had an awakening (sober so you can call it an insight) that this is too confusing. I believe that you should look for the simplest map to understanding and it suddenly came to me and it blew my mind. I finally am able to see clearly through the illusion and it was so simple. Thought= Identity. You don't have to take a notebook out and try to rack your brain to figure out what your beliefs and identities are, that is too complicated. Make it simple, all thought is identity. Its that simple. So any thought, any story, any exploration= identity. Its not you. Its part of you but its not you. An identity/perspective is just there to serve you, nothing more nothing less. So anytime a thought arises realize its not you, its an identity, its your Survival A.I., your assistant trying to decode or interpret what's going on. Its the inner critic, the narrator, of all experience. But its not you. You can only suffer identity as long as you believe any thought is you. All thought is just an assistant along for the ride. So what is you? Its simple!! Its so simple and so profound! We have been stating it but its so freaking obvious!!! You are the feeling of love. That's it!!! When you are kind to others you expand, when you are kind to yourself you expand. You only feel pain when you hurt another....because its not another...its YOU!!! Your heart your entire life has been trying to tell you this!! But then your thought comes in and translates the pain you feel when you act unlovingly and calls it shame, guilt, etc. You have never felt shame or guilt, because the heart does not judge!!! The heart never speaks in labels!!! The heart speaks in sensations and its the Survival A.I., the critic, the narrator, that calls it shame, and guilt!! This is a trap!!! You have never felt shame or guilt!!! All you experience is pain/fear or love!!! Everything else again is just the identity game of labels. You can get lost in a seas of concept and labels, which have no meaning. All meaning comes from love. So the key to finding yourself is through your heart, that which speaks through sensation!!! The logical mind is just an assistant to help guide you, but what you are is the heart, the love that exudes within. So how to not suffer your thoughts, or perspective/beliefs? Recognize they were never you, they are the part but not the whole, the whole is the heart. Once you realize this, you become free from the prison of the ego, the prison of thought, the prison of beliefs/concepts. Your thought is the advisor of the heart, you have been raised to have it be the ruler, to imprison the heart and so you suffer. But the problem is we demonize the ego in spirituality which is A TRAP. All demonization is lies, nothing is bad or evil. The only identity is love, anything else is a mask, a cosplay. So observe your thoughts, acknowledge them, but recognize they are not you. Example: There is something tasty that you want to grab. Thought "I want to eat that." Recognize "That thought is not me." Focus on your feeling/intuition. Is this what you love and want to experience? Once you are able to decode your love properly then choose/decide based on that. Its simple, this is the proper map for a healthy relationship with all the parts of you that interact.

Correct great response. Thanks for your post. That was divine. Exactly, but I been refraining because people have been telling me to stop turning every thread into a spiritual thread lol. But yes everything always connects. That is why it is love because love is connection.

The simple answer is God creates because that is how God expresses itself. Since God is love, creation just happens. Remember, love is a metaphysical construct, the universe is made of love. So that's the answer, not sure it is what you are looking for but its all love. Its also a cosmic joke because God is playing the biggest practical joke on itself and it does it with life. So funny.

Speak for yourself. I'm already living my best life.

Yes playfulness is the essence

Why does any of this matter?

You do realize you are just talking about yourself right?

When did I say you defended him? Not once did I say that. You are feeling attacked and are projecting onto me. I merely said in a summary Andrew Tate is a late to the party conman in the manosphere. And this ^. All of life is a teacher, so yes you can glean nuggets of wisdom from anything, but I think ignoring Tate until his short minutes of fame dries up is a better option personally.

I disagree, why get serious? Its a cosmic joke.

I got that one from Rupert Spira.

I wouldn't say that alone is the full end all be all, because that illusion would fall as soon as the person noticed their thoughts were not them. I believe it has to do with awareness. Their consciousness/awareness is too low. They just aren't in a state that allows them to perceive the illusion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u5M6tDc5TE&ab_channel=Actualized.org

Low awareness is a thing. I don't need to find anything out. What exactly are you looking for?

This is correct, I'm trying to figure out how this illusion was pulled off so smoothly the only answer I can see is that as long as your awareness is low you can't feel it. So its interesting from that perspective.

Exactly! The Clown that bows at the end of the play...but never did anything at all.

Lol you gonna keep that joke running huh?

I didn't say you attacked my position, you are just adding more complexity. You don't make things clear with complexity you just add more variables and potentialities. A map is only as good as its ability to lead you to where you are trying to go, not point out all the aspects that exist and could happen. If what you are trying to teach needs more and more explanation then its not transferable. When you enter systems thinking you need to focus on simplicity. If what you are teaching cannot be explained to the average lay man then its not a good map. Don't fall into the trap of loving the depth of your logical thinking that you cannot make sense to the layman. The layman is a much larger group than the educated, than the philosopher. I had the same issue in the past when I was younger and have learned how to simplify concepts. Its called keep it simple stupid. Now this isn't exactly the same, but is simple. https://explorable.com/occams-razor https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/article/kiss-keep-it-simple-stupid-a-design-principle https://topquestionsandanswers.com/home/2016/4/1/how-to-master-the-art-of-brevity-and-present-clear-simple-communication#:~:text=The modern%2C multitasking mind is,in the first few minutes.

Shame is just fear. That's all it is. When there is no fear there is no shame. Its why I say wisdom is simple. Don't overcomplicate with more labels.

Love you too. Thanks for your response.

.....Here we go....look I used to do what you do...which is overly deconstruct something into more categories and more labels, what you just did, you can do onward into infinity. Right now we could sit here and debate and deconstruct this topic right here from so many different perspectives. We could bring in different philosophical theories, we could argue social influences, history, evolution, even spirituality. At a certain point you have to realize, it is, what it is. Does it matter how many different ways we can deconstruct a point of view and what it could be? Or do we simplify it. Wisdom is simplification, complexity is chaos. You are doing what you are doing because its fun to mental (fundamental) to how you currently cognize things. I used to do it when I was younger...but I realized its just a mental game of perspectives. There is no absolute truth to any one perspective. All you find is what is more relatively true for that particular situation in time/space/history. I'm going to stick to my premise, its simple and straight to the point. I don't have the patience to deconstruct it from all these different angle, that time in my life is over.

1. I used to go to college and take full classes and I was on the track team. I worked out morning, afternoon and night 6 days a week. I maintained this for 2 years. When I graduated every job I worked I busted my behind off. My last job before the pandemic I was working 80 hours a week and I wasn't even getting paid for those extra hours and had to work a weekend without pay once a month because of some silly law in criminal justice. 2. My current job is the easiest, most high paying job I have worked and its work from home and guess what? Its making me weaker. Sure it gives me more time to think, and contemplate and save money (gas prices are ridiculous) but I realize if I continue doing this to long I will become lazy. 3. You only become smart and wise through application, you only become mentally tough by going through hard times, you only become more loving by learning to forgive trauma/pain inflicted upon you, and you only become physically strong through physical exertion (stress) on the body. This is non-negotiable and is the current design of this universe. Maybe through technology we will find a way around this, but as it stands right now its the current state of things. The only reason your generation is lazy, is because the strong before you elevated the living conditions to what they are now. The key to life is balance, don't be too slothful, don't be too industrious. Jack is a dull boy if he plays too much and works too much, but if he is in balance he is at peace.

I love the way they break down my favorite movie and also how many cool ways they probe into different perspectives you can glean from it. Watch and enjoy their masterful breakdown of the Matrix. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did watching it.

I once felt paranoia when I admitted myself to the hospital in the past. What worked for me was I constantly told myself that the thoughts that were arising simply weren't true. Instead of fighting them, I just disagreed and ignored them and focused on other things. It took a lot of energy especially being surrounded by so many others who were unstable, also the medication I was receiving helped as well for that time period as my reality was unstable. Best advice I can give is observe yourself, I mean really observe yourself. Are you attaching/engaging with your thoughts? Don't do that. See it, acknowledge it, disagree, and focus elsewhere. Consider your ego like an A.I. that is tasked with protecting you. Its a part of you, but it isn't you. Its the passenger, the part of you tasked with assisting you. So once you realize it isn't you, its just your assistant take back your power.