Arthogaan

Yes it certainly isn't the same as breakthrough dose in the pure mindfucking amount of light and energy. But it has some fundamental basis I would say. Like it reveals the same structureless structure, and everything becomes covered in glitter in a similiar way.

I know it's the territory that is really hard to put into words, but maybe some facets come to your mind other than brightness? Something like interconnectedness, self-comprehension, Alien-ness, strange-loopiness and so on?

Hmmm. I see it as buddhist enlightenment/permanent ego dissolution is a revelation of actual structure of reality - so now it is obvious that there is no structure, no center, that all is perceiving itself as pure luminosity/reality/imagination with no reference to any ground whatsoever - with one word - Boundlessness/Infinity. But then when you are left with this lucid soup of God/Love/Infinity you can increase it's luminocity, it's beightness, it's self comprehension. Just like increasing the brightness of lighbulb but now you are increasing the Awakeness of this Structureless Soup. And the brightness is not binary and it can go into infinity as well as realms of Alien kinds of brightness. Would you say it's more or less about that?

I really think it's a time for a long detailed video of why you do not consider buddhist enlightenment is a proper awakening. Because for quite some time you just dismiss it without really explaining what you mean. How is the experiential and permament dissolution of separate self not the real shit? What the hell do you mean? Because for me god realization, absolute sollipsism, not only knowing but viscerally feeling that this is all a dream - all of this came before fully dissolvong the separate entity. And just like Frank Yang says, that shift, of true centerless reality perceiving itself really feels like constant 5meo. I thought he was bullshitting, until I experienced the dissolution myself. So I would really appreciate you addressing it really thoroughly, because that is like a very core of what actualized.org is about. And I believe Roger Thisdell description of 5th stage is really pure, to the point and non dogmatic, so it would really be great if you addressed his points. Some of us really care about not stopping. But you are not giving us detailed explanation. It's been more than a year without deepest awakening type video. That would be a great candidate. Or at least some longer 2 A4 pages long forum post.

No hihi. I love it. Of course not by all but we have several fucking sages on here on forum and also some brilliant teachers on youtube. After my shift (ego dissolved 2 weeks ago) i have new inspiration and I just love this so much It's like I finally understand 100% of what they speak about. Altough now I don't need anymore because journey is done. But it's like poetry. Nothing more interesting for me that this

Prouding happens

Hi hi thank you Too bad there's no-one now to be proud

I started to go really deeply into observing whenever my conditioning wants to pull me out of just pure being. After some days of digging I got to some really early childhood memories. So as I understand it now it's just our brain programmed for survival. 1) distraction for physiological needs - that one is obvious, obviously my brain/ego pulls me to think about water, food, sex, to pee to poop, to avoid pain. But when those are taken care of there is more subtle distraction: 2) distraction for information - huge part of our daily life, checking the phone, maybe I should watch a movie? Maybe I should watch some youtube video while I'm eating my snack. It's weird because even if the moment is perfect there is still that part of the brain that wants to check the phone - is it just conditioning for always gaining more information? But it doesn't fully make sense to me, why would I watch some drama on netflix, that does not provide me with survival information? How is our desire for drama connected to survival? @Leo Gura 3) okay now if both 1) and 2) needs are fully silenced. Then there is also this deep subtle need to just do something. I got really deep into my inner child, before it had any societal conditioning, any idea of boredom and drama, just perfectly sitting there - there is this pull to just grab something, to make a mess, to explore to create - todlers do not sit still they do everything. It seems really natural. And beautifull. BUT IS IT JUST ANOTHER DEEP LAYER OF SURVIVAL? This natural will to move, to change shit to make a mess, is it just a way for our brain/ego to adapt to it's environments. Or is it some metaphysical feature of reality? IS Reality fully okay with just being and standing still? It doesn't seem to be still, there's so much movement and life - so is meditation and being fully still and at peace for the whole day - is it going even beyond the conditioning of reality? The deepest conditioning? Merging into the ineffable unmanifested unchanging whole Absolute? This seems fundamental, help me out guys haha. @Water by the River @Bazooka Jesus @Osaid @Breakingthewall @James123 @Inliytened1

Hahahaha exactly.

The part when the girl is talking is Golden for post integration.

I don't know what to say but lol: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2Mte1zR3U6/?igsh=MWltNTY1azNjc2tvZg==

Yooo, that is a great inquiry. Never thought about that. After contemplating for some time I think there is a certain limitation that comes from viewing it through movie-frames-analogy. Because that analogy kind of comes with an assumption that there are small jumps between frames. But it's not entirely true. Like this NOW is also fluid like soup of sensations and colors. It's like ever morphing play-doh. It doesn't change in time, because time does not exists. It just changes like fluid. Concept od time is something that happens inside this fluid. So no need for jumps and therefore we should not perceive static.

Agreed bro

I fully agree. It's beautiful unbounded lucid luminous impersonal centereless unlimited. But still only This seems to be happening. No others. No other povs happening somewhere in eternity. Just This.

There seems to be only This Perspective happening now.

Hmmmm. I will say how I feel this. Eternity is an idea that is imagined inside the Now. So I would answer that nope, in the eternity of existence nothing other than This Now existed. Only This Now.

Amazing.

<3 <3 <3 That did it for me. Thank you @Osaid Also before I read that I was meditating and for the first time I saw everything is Flickering. Popping in and out of the absolute every microsecond. No cause, no past. Each "frame" perfect as smell of the flower. Even if the next 100 flickers will include me seemingly lost in thoughts they are just as perfect "FLICKERS". I think today the concept of "codependent arising" clicked visceraly. And in each flicker/frame there obviously is no separation.

Hahaha. I love this conversation. I have no will, there is no "i" there is no willing. Everything just happens. Unfolding. And asking and understanding just flows out of it. Just as you responding.

Thanks good remainders. But even after separate self is gone, there still seems to be contemplationg happening here. This energy to understand is just part of the weather like clouds. Thoughts and questions come on their own. I am no longer thinker of them. Maybe this will to understand will pass at some point. Seems like natural process of unknotting happening on its own.

It's crazy to be honest. I am quite shocked. I had a big shift 1.5 weeks ago which seems to be permanent and I seem to really stripped myself of separate-self. I am forgoing a fast process of cleansing all residuals. Also I wanted to publicly thank @Water by the River for great guidance and advice post this shift. Anyway, today I had my first day that I managed to have almost no thoughts or conceptual thinking for the whole day. No thoughts separating me from reality nor thoughts categorizing what is happening and so on. And it's honestly just crazy how much more vibrant everything was. Smells, colours, the pleasantness of breath and touch and even sore knees. I don't really understand it how does it work and how is it possible that thoughts and concepts make life so much dulled down. Doesn't seem obvious to me (any ideas @Water by the River @Bazooka Jesus @Breakingthewall). The only logical answer to me is that brain/consciousness has all this processing-power available when it is not busy by constant categorizing and labeling of reality. Or like it's just programmed this way that you kinda get "reward from God" for all the spiritual work haha. It almost feels too good sometimes, like I am so content, that I don't care. So meditating a lot, and maintaining that state for the whole day really pays off at some point. Changing your baseline IS POSSIBLE. Also this is my 1000th post, and I feel so grateful today so I wanted to thank everyone for being part of this special place on the internet. It has been 2 years since the infamous taken down solipsism video which made me finally set up an account here. Beautiful 2 years of dying ever more with you guys

There should be some cool word for doing a movement inside the mind.

See that every thought that comes after "falling back" like: "Oh no, I feel like I'm the doer again" , " Oh, I was just lost in thoughts " . "Oh what can I do to comeback" "oh, how do i prevent this from happening" - all of those, are just another thoughts, and you just see them smile at them and let them go their way. Thoughts appear and dissappear like clouds. They are not your thoughts. Thoughts are not anymore yours than the clouds or the weather. Just see them and let them go.

Oh totally. Ultimatelly life is precious/life is worthless is just another duality. That was reaaaly freeint to me when I realized that 2 months ago. That "making the most of it" can be really specific to my tastes. So if for me that means chilling and not being anyone special, then thats it. You can make the most if this dream by fully accepting your true tastes. And maybe that is to just chill on a beach. Love yourself and do what you really want without any idea of societys expectations or some metaphysical expectations like "I shold get a lot of experience for my soul" or sth. Just do what you want. Haha isn't it awesome that you can do that? You can eat ice cream as your life purpose and noone will judge in the end.

These are good points. It's like thoughts and labels and categorization kind of come with the feeling of "meeh, I saw this kind of object a 1000 times already". So this is an artificial filter, and when you are fully without thoughts even the subtlest deepest ones, then reality really feel like looking through the eyes of a kid. Or on lsd. Or through the eyes of a kid that is on LSD. When it comes to you using your imagination, do you experience it like universe itself generates it? Because after the illusion of personal self is gone that's how it feel to me, that it's not even me imagining things, but this imaginative images just come here.