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Does all experience require the appearance of a localized experiencer/I/self? I know ultimately there’s none of this- I’m speaking about the relative nature of what we term experience. If so then why? Shouldn’t a prerequisite of a localized apparent self/center/I not be required by WHAT IS?

Ultimately is permanent/impermanent a duality? I’m really stuck on why form needs to be impermanent. Can’t there be a form that subsists forever and ever and doesn’t “die”? If you say no then that seems limiting to infinity. Everything should be possible including a permanent form. Also why does change require “death”? Couldn’t there just be change with forms constantly morphing and evolving without the full stop called death?

Hi- sorry didn’t know where to post this. Is anyone else constantly getting EX144 errors when trying to sign into the forum now? It is highly annoying. I’ve tried three different browsers and finally had to go to a fourth to log in this time. Can someone fix these issues? I tried submitting a technical support request but that wouldn’t go through either

It is fixed! Thanks Leo.

All good with being patient. I’d just like to know that an issue has been identified and is being looked into. Otherwise the next time I get logged out I may never have access again

Has this issue been addressed? I couldn’t log in all night and most of today. Finally had to go into incognito mode on chrome to sign in

Same- used to be able to browse the forum without logging in

Thank you

I’d like to explore this topic further. If “God” is truly infinite/unbounded then that means no limitations. Therefore “dreaming up” an immortal being should be 100% possible, otherwise you are placing limits. Now maybe what we think of as immortality is not accurate- maybe this being would be able to morph into something else/dissolve its form when needed then reappear. So many possibilities.

Why does every natural body (human and animal) die? If we’re not truly the body or mind then why the charade? Can’t consciousness come up with something more creative or original?

Is permanent vs. impermanent a duality we must ultimately collapse? Oftentimes I get confused or thrown off by the ideas of birth and death. Why must every animal or plant that “appears” on Earth seem to appear to be born then die? Ultimately am I creating a position that permanent=good and impermanent=bad? Want to get people’s thoughts on this tricky subject.

Why do “human individuals” fear death if there truly are no individuals that exist? It’s a universal fear.

In many corners of nonduality (I.E Rupert Spira) deep sleep and death are often compared. It’s explained that your “true self”/consciousness loses all the extra layers (relationships, desires, personal stories) in deep sleep and also in death. Of course deep sleep is temporary- it isn’t feared because you have the expectation of waking up again in the morning. Why are deep sleep and death talked about by many as a way someone returns to their true self? Doesn’t that sound dualistic? There was never a someone to return to a true self- it’s all THIS. Also why is death talked about as no problem because it’s akin to deep sleep? As I said before you expect (most of the time) to return from deep sleep. In death we truly don’t know what occurs but returning to the physical life as you know it isn’t in the cards.

Why are living things born just to die? Realize I’m talking relatively here- of course ultimately there is only THIS. Nevertheless- why? Is it just the way it is?

What are the other possibilities?

Is that the only possibility though? Creation and destruction? Seems limiting. Or is that maybe just what we experience in our human reality? I have to imagine in some other dimension it could be different. All words in the end- I know

I might have been a little confusing and unclear before in why I was even pondering this. All in all, it doesn’t really matter to me on a personal level no. It matters to me on how THIS/the all is. If THIS only creates “beings” that must be born and must die- isn’t that kind of unoriginal and boring? It clashes with the idea that THIS is limitless and ultimate/full potential. THIS/the Ultimate can’t imagine a form that doesn’t go through the same old story of being born and dying? That’s what is hanging me up right now

I mean THIS i.e the infinite all/“god”

That just seems limiting and that idea has always given me issues. If THIS is infinite and all powerful there should be zero restrictions or impossibilities, up to and including non-transient forms.

I get that from a scientific framework. Are there dimensions/realities (in the relative sense) beyond our comprehension where “forms” subsist forever/don’t die? Maybe beyond time

My heart is broken right now. My beloved cat, 18 years old, passed away last evening. We had her for many years. We adopted her when she was a “senior “ after she had been in two not so great living situations. Finally when my wife and I took her home she had a place where she was the focus and could be fully loved. We gave her a peaceful and loving life these last number of years. You could see her joy that we made her such an integral part of our family. I know ultimately she’s now one with everything (and always was) and I feel her presence in my heart. I know the tenets of nonduality believe me. Maybe a foolish question but my mind is tired at the moment and I feel awful. Even in the context of nonduality there’s still that hope, that spark that after I pass in the future I may connect with her again right? Maybe in some energetic, different type of body sort of way? Maybe like Rust Cohle said in True Detective- maybe we meld together in some sort of substance after death. One that can’t be described and isn’t like being fully extinguished but something we feel is real. I don’t know…just looking for a spark of hope here. I may be grasping at straws looking for an answer that soothes me in a forum for nonduality but I respect everyone’s insights here. You guys look deeply at things. Thanks

Thank you both

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Is it just me or does the idea often posited in nonduality forums that the reason for this apparent separation/reality/multiplicity is because the “Infinite was bored/wanted to pretend it wasn’t itself” seem very sophomoric and human-centric? THIS being bored or having desires is limiting….and THIS can’t be limited or shouldn’t have limits if it’s boundless. Isn’t it not one/not two? Doesn’t boredom imply a “one” that has some sort of feeling of lack? Just seems these explanations seem like something you’d hear at a Bible school class….tinted with Christianity and the “old man in the sky” having a personal reason to “create”…rather than THIS just being THIS, apparent separation or not.

Why are there bodies? And why are they so inextricably linked to conscious experience? Are they a prerequisite for any experience?