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@Nivsch In spirit of this awakening thread. What do you feel that is missing from others being able to understand the Israeli situation that they may not already have been told? @Lila9 Sorry to end the last conversation. What is it from the Israeli perspective that you would like others to understand that they may not already understand and how else could perspectives be bridged?

Im sorry but there is no comparison between Zionist leaders and Palestinian leaders EVEN IF they both have propaganda. Thats a very simplistic childish view Palestinians don't need to be manipulated. They see the damage firsthand for a century. They lose family members. They starve. They are trapped. They are killed and raped. They are stolen from. They are ignored. They hear it from their grandparents, uncles, siblings, neighbors. They see IDF soldiers and tanks from when they are young children all the way until they are old without ever seeing a pause. They live in homes and streets that are in complete ruins with no water. Nobody needs to manipulate them. The Zionists are such scumbags that they do their own marketing The purpose of this thread is something else. Argue in another one. Im done talking to you because you are not coming from a place of good faith in discussing

Hamas has makeshift weapons. Easy to accidentally kill someone IDF has state of the art, high tech, ultra surveillance radar, drones, satellite, ultra precise and accurate weaponry. No excuse to kill even one innocent Who treats the hostages better? Israel who blows up the entire Gaza Strip when looking for hostages they are wanting to bring back home. Meanwhile they take Palestinian hostages and torture them Or Hamas who only takes hostages as a way to leverage a deal for freedom and they come back smiling happy as a clam How innocent are they really? If you vote for terrorist Netanyahu and are causing the suffering of a people because you take their spot on limited land? These people know EXACTLY the dangers. They choose to stay. Are the Israeli settlers who are illegally occupying with force innocent? Did you know American Jews are buying up more land in West Bank even TODAY. But you don't give a shit

Nobody wants to live in the shithole prison that your leaders created for them! Nobody wants to leave their indigenous land. Look at how hard it is for you to leave the land and your ancestors aren't even from there This is a far out conspiracy theory that doesn't belong on this thread The leaders can make money by doing what any normal politician does. Using their state to be corrupt and funnel money into their pockets. They don't have to do in times of war of getting a state There were Jews in America going to high income businesses asking for money after the attacks. Projection much? So Palestinians deserve whats happening to them? I don't understand you. Palestinians were fine before Zionism came Thanks for exposing YOUR thought process I understand Palestinians have poor leadership. But you are taking it way too fucking far. I don't think you have studied extensively enough how deep Zionism evil goes, how bad their intentions are, and how long back it goes. Hell even Napoleon was talking about ethnically cleansing Jews from europe to Palestine Are you Zionist, Israeli, Jewish, or a specific combination of the three?

Yup. Thats what he says in the video. Both Israel and Palestine are just identities in illusion of the ego Plus if you are on this forum that is a filter that you should already know this or else why would you be on this forum at all But when playing the illusory game we should still make sure to be fair to prevent suffering. Your mom is an illusion that doesn't mean you should smash her head against a brick wall

Then he will get the liberal vote too

If you can see the propaganda you will know that Barron Trump is the next selection when he turns 35

So you watched the video and everything they say is a manipulation and there is no truth to it? Proof of stolen funds? And proof that if they stole funds that means the Palestinian issue should be disregarded as unimportant? If they steal funds it's okay for Israel to steal Palestine? Obviously there is propaganda on both sides. This is obvious and doesn't need to be stated.

Here are the two book summaries of Rich Forer "After more than sixty years, the Israel-Palestinian issue is as intractable as ever. Groups and individuals on either side reflexively point to the other as the cause of conflict. Blame and intense emotion permeate virtually any discussion of the subject. In this book, Richard Forer explains that no action occurs in a vacuum, that we all play roles in the suffering of others and that only an honest intention to discover the history for ourselves can alleviate the suffering. Through meticulous research Forer examines and reframes the most common and misunderstood arguments on both sides of the conflict. He shows that the real enemy is the unexamined mind that projects its suffering onto the other. Though not a religious Jew, Forer had been a loyal defender of Israeli policy all his life and zealously supported Israel s 2006 invasion of Lebanon. In response to what he perceived as growing global anti-Semitism, he became a member of AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Angry that two of his most trusted friends resisted his views, and surprised that a long-time Jewish friend would suggest that his opinions were not as factually based as he assumed, Forer began an intensive study of the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict, determined to discover the facts for himself. With an uncompromising commitment to the truth, he went far beyond his original intention, even challenging his very identity. Reaching into the depths of himself, in a remarkable moment he underwent a spontaneous spiritual transformation in which he awoke to his true identity, beyond the limits of the ego and its enforced loyalties. Feeling how his attachment to Israel had blinded him to the human dimension of the conflict and had led him to reject the other in a heartless way, Forer realized that the true root of conflict is one's presumed identity and the beliefs and images that emanate from and reinforce that identity, and that these presumptions are false and unnecessary. He discovered that in Truth we are all Muslim and Jewish, Palestinian and Israeli. Forer had recognized the heart of Judaism, which embraces the Universal and identifies with all of humanity." "Wake Up and Reclaim Your Humanity tells the true story of a lifelong supporter of Israel who underwent a remarkable spiritual awakening in which he realized he was as much Muslim or Christian as Jew and as much Palestinian as Israeli or American. Existential fear and confusion, the hallmarks of separate identities, were transformed into compassion and clarity and an unequivocal vision of the roots of suffering spontaneously arose. Recognizing that endless conflict only leads to alienation from our true selves, this book encourages readers to look at the documented history of the Israel-Palestine tragedy and get in touch with how they view and interpret that history. It offers readers a path that leads to freedom from false beliefs, enemy images, and the illusion of identity to equal rights for all people and a just peace between Palestinians and Israelis. An astonishing and groundbreaking commentary, Wake Up and Reclaim Your Humanity is the first book EVER written that explains the root cause of the Israel-Palestine tragedy. Wrestling with the question, "why do normally decent people, who ordinarily believe in justice, support indecency and injustice?", this book provides answers that are critical to a deeper understanding of the human condition and profoundly clarifying in their ability to alleviate the confusion that has permeated the subject for generations."

Well did you know that most Hamas members are orphans from IDF massacres? And they are also under constant threat? And they have no hope because all they see is more promises of further violence from the IDF? And they have no outside support?

"What if I told you Israel has terrorist all the way from the top to the bottom? From the beginning to now?" By this I meant their armies and commanders. Every single IDF is a terrorist and every single politician and the generals in-between. How can they not be? From beginning until now means they have never wanted peace since the very beginning until this very day and any peace talks has been a distraction for more land grabbing

You said soldiers for the Israeli side and the very next post you said Palestinian terrorists. But who gets to say who is the terrorist? The colonial powers? That's very biased. How do we know that the IDF isn't the terrorist and the indigenous are just resistance freedom fighters?

He says in the beginning of the interview that if it was the other way around and the Palestinians were the colonial power that he would criticize the exact same way. The most important part is his awakening where he describes similar things to other sages of the past In the awakening world one sees the illusionary game as just illusionary and instead of two people playing their parts it is a misidentification of who we think ourselves to be and a misrepresentation of who we the others are

@Lila9 Iran funded the Oct 7th attack but Hamas did it for their own cause. Why don't you listen to them and at least see where they are coming from. I can promise you one thing. They have listened to everything your side has said. Listen to actual Palestinian peoples interviews. The ones from the West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem, Refugees outside, and ones who have citizenship outside.

Zionism is fine. Jews need a homeland to protect against racist Europeans and Americans. This was MORE true in the past but maybe today the only reason the West supports Israel is to keep Jews away. I think the Jews are fine everywhere today but a century ago it made sense The problem with Zionism is that it wants to ethnically cleanse/genocide/enslave/entrap Palestinians because Palestinians are indigenous to the land of Palestine which is the land that Zionism chose You really have to stop playing victim or detective on peoples intentions behind criticisms. If you really think that Jews truly picked a land without a people and Arabs would still be jealous of Jews success and have anti semitism towards them and seek to destroy them then you are truly someone that nobody can help. The problems with Jews in the Middle East is Zionism because it is oppressive towards an entire people that are completely innocent to the reason why Zionism was necessary. But if you keep running around in circles like this never acknowledging that and always accusing people of things and never arriving towards a solution then it's no wonder people are frustrated with you and your people There are no more words to string together for you to understand. You are either brainwashed, malicious, or someone that can not be helped in this lifetime unless you have a serious awakening

I don't know. You should ask them what they think. You should listen to what their leaders say. Don't make assumptions Stop listening to your puppet leaders talk about how the Palestinians feel about you. See for yourself. If you have the guts

I didn't say the citizens were terrorists but the soldiers. You said 4 female IDF soldiers

I don’t think he is too biased himself and that’s the point of the awakening In this illusionary game the Zionists are playing the part of the colonial settler invaders with state of the art weaponry, media, and funds. And the Palestinians are playing the part of the forgotten, poor, lack of resources and support, ethnically cleansed ingenious people A mass awakening is not gonna be the solution to this. It will be a political solution. How many people are actually enlightened in this entire world? Not many

4 female IDF terrorists

Don't let anyone bully you. Fuck em. All minorities (people of color are the global majority by far) need to stand up against this shit once and for all. This white supremacy has gone on far too long He wants to kick out all the colored meanwhile he wants to absorb white countries like Canada and Greenland Don't feel fear for being who you are

It's just porn evolved