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This is actually a follow-on from what we were discussing in the other thread regarding race. Wouldnt a trans-gender claim that they are actually the sex they changed to, as is shown in the second video i posted? You could also say that the trans-woman is gaslighting in the same way you mention. Not saying all trans-genders do this btw. Also the with age you could say a similar thing such as 'my birth certificate age is x but my actual age is y' but the main thing is that you would get the rights of someone a different age to you, it doesnt have to be a denial.

Podcast episode with Conner Murphy, if you remember him he was the youtuber who had a breakdown/spiritual awakening

Right but some people might make the same argument with gender. If i im 60 but i feel 40 and this is backed up biologically through tests etc, what is the difference between that and someone whos male but feels female? Why should they be allowed legally to change their gender but the 60 year old cant change their age? Yeah there'd be quite a few popular 15 year olds lol. Youre right it would cause a lot more problems with law, maybe you could say you can only change your age over the age of 18 or something like that. But just because of the law issues does it make it less valid than trans-genderism? Also if you look at the reactions from the presenters in the media, one is laughed at and one is defended

Why not? Theres an expectation of what old people should be like or what young people should be like, that is also a social construction. Time is relative and experienced differently for everyone, so time itself is a concept. You could maybe make the argument that gender as a social construct is more prevalent but im not even sure thats definitely true.

@SunCat So you're here to argue about RussiaGate?

Didn't watch the whole thing but ultimately what his point was is true, always watch things consciously, never turn what someone says into dogma or take it on wholesale, and have multiple sources of info. It seems everyone's so easily led these days or probably its always been the case but it's easier to get to people now. As far as I see Leo does always say have your own sources but it's hard for people to really take that on board. The problem I find generally on the forum or even in discussion in normal life, is that people believe point of views like a religion in which case a debate is literally impossible, that has often been the case on here. If you have a perspective that you could be wrong and don't mind being proven wrong, then discussion can flow, if not its really a brick wall.

Just wanted to recommend this doc, its on netflix and features loads of contributors from the tech industry essentially warning of the dangers of social media but also literally telling you what they do/did. Essentially social media is affecting elections, destabilising governments, creating polarisation, radicalising people, as well as affecting people on individual levels. Questions, have algorithms taken over all of us? What can we do to change this and use social media for more positive things that dont affect us as a society in such negative ways? How do you warn people about when theyve effectively been brain washed by their particular bubble?

I was thinking of a way to phrase and this works really well. Here in England a lot of people have criticised Johnson for how hes handled the situation, there are some good arguments for that but on the whole i cant really see what different choices he couldve made apart from taking it more seriously before it even got to the country. In terms of letting people know the situation i would say he even over exaggerated the seriousness of it on occasion to make sure that people took it seriously, which is basically a better safe than sorry strategy which you have to take in these circumstances. But if Johnson ever did what Trump did, he probably wouldve been thrown out of office, so its really mind boggling that Trump could even stand a chance at the election. Ive seen some diversion tactics but, and i hope everyone is in agreement, i want to nominate you for the prestigious award of 'Most Ridiculous Instance of Whataboutism' for dismissing any Trump wrong doing with a comparison to the owner of a Self-Actualization forum, truly breathtaking diversion tactics. If we do agree that Leo's statement is wrong and hes evil or whatever, does that change the Trump situation or....

I would say 40% of the population is reflecting him. This story is interesting because its a direct contradiction to what he initially said ro the public, so his side of the population went along with the line that covid is not so serious. Now he's on tape saying it is serious, I wonder what the reaction will be from his followers

Agreed, it's cult like behavior almost

Theres many more btw - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/20/21188397/coronavirus-trump-press-briefing-covid-19-anthony-fauci https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/13/trump-questions-public-health-experts-twitter-359388 Even some from fox news - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-i-dont-agree-with-fauci-over-us-testing-capabilities-to-curb-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-disagrees-with-cdc-school-reopening-guidelines-calls-them-impractical https://www.foxnews.com/media/cdc-chief-contradicts-trump-on-misquoting-charge-over-virus-rebound

Youre right theres no point in philosophizing which is why this topic was brought up with audio evidence of him saying its serious and that hes intentionally down playing it, this is recorded - https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html There are numerous examples of him disagreeing with experts, which you must be aware of, unless youre claiming he always agreed with the experts im not sure, but anyway heres one such example - https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-fauci-boasts-of-ignoring-experts-on-coronavirus-2020-7?r=US&IR=T heres another - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-versus-doctors-president-experts-contradict/story?id=70330642 So question again, do you think Trumps response to the corona was appropriate considering he knew the potential severity of it ?

Are you saying Trumps response was appropriate or the best way to mitigate deaths? For example his going against experts or saying its a democratic hoax, with the knowledge that it isnt and that it is actually quite serious. His loyal followers will of course take what he says as gospel, which he knows is the case and he is wilfully misleading them

This is a massive factor, i would even go so far as to say its the driving force behind hate politics as you say. Theres a new doc on netflix called 'The Social Dilemma', which revolves around accounts from big players in the tech industry and they break down why they medium is so dangerous and how theyve actually lost control of it.

This is big because a lot of the anti-maskers, anti-fauci, conspiracy theories, have come about because of how much trump downplayed it. His downplaying has effectively cost lives, probably due to the extent at which it was downplayed and the disagreement with experts. However, it's not new that a government would downplay or not tell the whole truth about a serious situation as to not panic the public. I just wonder what his thinking was behind it. Of course he was worried about the election and approval ratings, but is there some part of him that thought this would be better for people to avoid panic and he's just very incompetant? Either way he's either very stupid or incredibly callous, so I can't see how this can look on him favourably

I get what youre saying, i think i find the trans-racial argument quite interesting as in it really pushes the social constructs of race or even the existence of race as a defining quality. Would you say Dolezal is deluded or what do you think is going on there?

I find the Dolezal case more strange because she appears deluded in that she literally cant say she is white but feels black. But is it possible to feel black as much as a trans person feels theyre in the wrong body, or is she just fully deluded and if so is it possible that some trans people are deluded? Anyway heres Whoopis take on it and then an interview with Dolezal where she got a bit grilled on the subject -

Yeah i mean calling someone black or white or blonde or whatever is really a human way to classify people they dont know too well with one easy word. This is done with jobs, your job title doesnt tell people too much about what youre like as a human but its always the first thing people ask a new person. I think we're just not good at accepting people as they are, we tend to look for ways to generalise. As you say race is really a construct, however until we all transcend race and ethnicity i think it will be part of your identity, theres no getting around it for now. Personally, i feel black, im not sure how to describe that exactly but its how i feel, it may just be because i was never made to feel 100% included with white people or because media and other influences are telling me im different or because i grew up around black people. But i also feel that there are constraints in terms of what is black, in that acting a certain way means your black, which to me is bullshit, im black but it doesnt define me. I think you can compare trans-racial and being a different gender. What youre saying is true you could be male and feminine energy, so it makes sense to have a few genders that incorporate this. But when you add 70 or so then really what were talking about is just how you feel, and if that is accepted then technically you could feel chinese for example. I guess what im pointing out is the pointlessness of the extra genders because i dont agree that its right, within the context that we have 'race', that a white person can all of a sudden say theyre black. The experience is always different than if you were born black. So relatively speaking if that doesnt make sense neither do other classifications based on how you feel.

Yes youre right this has always been the issue, there were also a lot of black people that could and did pass for white as well as it made their lives easier, not sure it happens as much these days. That is the privilege that Rachel and Jessica have in that they can apparently revert back to whiteness. This is also seen in the music scene, various artists adopt a black persona and make black music which is more accepted as theyre white, or they are able to change their music style to a traditional white genre (Justin Timberlake and Miley Cyrus are 2 examples of this). If a black person were to do this it would most likely still be considered black music, they wouldnt necessarily get a white audience in the same way. So to me it seems black people are locked into an identity whereas white people are free to be more fluid in that way. But trans-racial is not really about genetics anyway, its more to do with how you feel inside. I dont agree with it btw but im just saying if you can choose gender you should be able to choose race. So ultimately the question is can you actually choose these things? In theory, but in practice i dont think it will go down to well if i as a mixed race black guy started saying im white, it wouldnt go down well amongst black and white people. Obviously it hasnt gone down well for these trans-racial ladies. So are people being ignorant not accepting someone could be trans-racial? It would follow if people are ignorant for not accepting the many genders. Or should we just throw out all classifications of gender and race? Little relevant comedy to lighten the mood -

Interesting, i think one thing ill say for her is that she has acknowledged what shes done and apologised profusely off her own back as well as far as we can see she wasnt found out. This is very different to Rachel Dolezel, who still hasnt apologised for the deception and is going with the trans-racial line, ie saying she is black and being black is more of a state of mind than genetic. I guess the question is whether it is an overall good despite the deception, probably is, they didnt hurt anyone although some will feel betrayed by it, i think most see it as just a bit funny and by all accounts they did do good things. But it is a bit of an insult because its like getting some advantage of being black without all the disadvantages, theres a feeling that they dont really understand what theyre talking about because if they did they wouldnt have done it in the first place, its a privilege that they can declare themselves black, whereas, even though im half white, i can never declare myself white, not that id want to but just saying. There also seems to be a playing the victim component as well, this is seen in across the board, but especially in the Dolezel case she was overdoing it to an extreme extent, which i dont think is helpful at all. There can be some addiction to the victim mindset and i can see how this was playing it here. Second point, do the have an argument in terms of being trans-racial? If we have live in a society where we have over 70 genders, is it that much of a stretch to say a white person could feel black inside? This is where extreme green eats its tail, because on one hand theres the need to be inclusive of all people and what they feel they are, so we can choose from one of 64 genders regardless of hormones, but if you say you are a different race although you might feel as much as that race as someone feels non-binary, its offensive to whatever race youre claiming. So can you not choose your race because its offensive to others and can you choose your gender because theres no way to verify what you are and therefore its not offensive to others?

Massive results in portugal from decriminalisation. I know it might not be as simple as different countries have different dynamics, but looking at these stats i think why is it not a priority to work some sort of change to drug policy along these lines

That's crazy bro, sorry to hear you went through that but thanks for sharing it. Many countries in Europe have the idea that the legalisation includes making the addicts life better, therapy, helping them with work etc, as well as providing clean needles. Do you think this could work?

Is there anyone on YouTube or whatever platform who either claims enlightenment or is obviously enlightened or highly aware, who also takes psychedelics or attributes their Awakening to psychedelics?

Are there any teachers who are enlightened and did so by 5 meo? Would be interested in that perspective

@supremeyingyang I was gonna say the same thing reading that post. @LuciusV63 sorry bro but you're gonna have to break this down a bit for us dum-dums