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I get what it is, im saying your reasoning to get there is literally the same as scientology or prosperity preachers

So youre saying the distinction is that the law of attraction has been around longer than other ideologies? How do you reconcile that the framework of what you said - Could literally be said for Scientology or prosperity preachers or pretty much anything, ie if i believe it and good things happen in my life it is because of -insert ideology here-, if it doesnt work its because i didnt believe in -insert ideology here- enough

Im not saying its complete bullshit, and yes i agree if you read between the lines there is some great insights and analogies. I assumed you werent religious which is why i used it as an example, but i dont think youre getting my point, ill give you the benefit of the doubt that youre not will-fully ignoring the point. Ill give you another example - Whats the distinction between what youve said and a Scientologist that says 'I know Scientology is real because i followed what they said and ive seen the results in my life. For example i asked for a job and within 3 months i got a job'. Would this make Scientology true?

So whats the distinction between what youve just said and a christian that says 'I know Jesus and my Christian God are real because i prayed and ive seen the results in my life. For example i asked God for a job and within 3 months i got a job'. Would this make Christianity true?

Well that's literally the point, jesus raising from the dead holds no perceived benefit for you so you don't believe it, however a Christian would say you weren't being open minded if you don't believe it. Your logic was that open mindedness doesn't consider if loa is horseshit, I'm saying it would be able to hold that position. I'm also a Christian could use the same logic you used to dismiss any non-believers, it's a standard baked in way of thinking to hold up any idealogy. You don't believe in jesus because you don't have faith, loa doesn't work for you because you don't have faith in it, what's the difference?

Wouldn't true open mindedness be able to hold the two positions in their mind without being tied to one or the other? By your logic true open mindedness wouldn't consider whether jesus rose from the dead or not

Really consider what I'm going to say, what would be the difference between you just saying what you said and a Christian saying that in order to convince that Christianity is the right way? Is the difference that loa is true?

I havent actually seen a non-duality teacher speak on law of attraction, you can show me some if you like. But even if they dont it doesnt prove that its not real or useful. But looking into it its definitely not a law, if youre saying its a scientific law, ie 'like always attracts like', it doesnt hold up as its not the case with magnets for example, the same polarity magnet actually repels. I have noticed through the thread that you have an extreme reaction of agreement if someone has a similar opinion to you and almost anger if someone disagrees. What i would ask is are you able to hold in your mind that loa is not true or are you 100% tied to your belief?

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure it's not a scientific law, so I'm not sure exactly what you mean by its a law. I would say I listen to a lot of spiritual and non-dual teachers and I've never heard them talk about the loa, I do usually hear it from more self-help and motivational teachers. But there's nothing wrong with that and if it helps you then good luck to you. You said you've had some successes and some failures with it, would you put the successes as a result of practising loa and what would you say was the cause of the failures?

I'll try and break it down quickly but law of attraction is a genius idea. It's been a highly profitable staple to have the concept of 'if you think positive, positive things will happen for you'. Think and grow rich made a fortune in the past as have 'prosperity preachers' who tie it in with Christianity, and of course today's loa teachers. Under the hood it's all the same concept, give money and time, learn our teachings and good stuff will happen. What's clever about loa is they've tied the name to a scientific sounding principle and the aim is to get cars, houses, wealth, which is very convincing for our materialistic time in history. The key thing is that if you succeed it's because of Loa, if you don't it's because you didn't believe enough or you had blocks, or you consciousness wasn't high enough. Again this is consistent with other forms of this basic idea, for example you weren't praying enough in the case of prosperity preachers. Take into account that the self-help industry is worth around $10 billion, there is a lot of incentive to teach this stuff. Now this is not to say that positive thinking won't help you or that you shouldn't have goals or even want materialistic things, but dressing this up as more than positive thinking with good marketing would be disingenuous.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'it's a law' and comparing it to gravity, do you have any studies or anything on it being a law?

Thanks. It does feel like a blockage but not sure it's food related, feels more like mental blockage and resistance, I know it's connected but also my diet isnt bad and it doesn't really change when I change into the blocked state, so I'm not sure it's the cause

So youre saying just feel the feeling and try not to focus on the perspective?

Can you expand on this a little please, i think i understand what you mean but just want to clarify

How would i listen and not pay attention to her nagging at the same time? Will try this, thanks again for your insight x

Thanks, that is a great insight and very self aware. Its funny because when we have truthful conversations, maybe after an argument or something, she says that she likes how i am and doesnt want me to change but at the same time it annoys her in the moment. So it seems like it is an automatic response and i think youre right in that she isnt always in her feminine, i would put this down to family issues. How did you and possibly your mum, become aware and get passed these issues, if you dont mind me asking?

This is good advice and part of the problem I'm having, because I don't want to accept traditional rules of a relationship and I want to, not only be who I am but obviously grow, its difficult for her to fully accept it, although she does try. It's kinda crazy how tied people are to the idea of what a relationship is or means

Yeah for real lol. Thing is it's a fine line, how I dealt with that is I told her that I'm not gonna put up with stuff like that and that essentially if you are gonna act like that I can't be around you, she got upset and kinda explained why she is like that. Now it did cross my mind to not react at all, but if I didn't maybe it would be like condoning it or making her think it's alright or I'm submissive. This was obviously a huge over reaction on her part and to be fair she hasn't had as extreme a reaction since then and this was a while ago now. But I'm kinda stuck between calling out the behavior or not giving any fucks as you say

Thanks so much for your insight, especially valuable as you relate to her. With point 1, its interesting you should say that because she has specifically said a few times that she likes the way i argue, in that i make my points well and without injecting hurt emotions and that kind of thing, so essentially she cant really argue back as im trying to solve the problem rather than hurt them or whatever, this has been the case with past relationships as well. I have read that book and a few others on the subject so ive probably taken a lot of that into the relationships. The reason i get annoyed by the nagging is not even necessarily the nagging itself, its just i know if she keeps doing it i wont be able to be around her. Although sometimes i do feel like i want validation from her, i am aware of that though and try not to fall in that trap. Point 2 she went to therapy with her ex-partner and i think this type of thing came up although not specifically what you said, i would say she would benefit from going, ive recently gone, i did about 6 months or so. Problem is i dont think she sees her issues as a massive problem as shes very focused on work, so im not sure that would appeal. But when i have brought up these issues she is very receptive, so shes not in denial or anything like that, its more that she literally doesnt know how to control them. What happened in your relationship and is it something that youve overcome or at least made progress with?

I wish I was joking about that, wasn't even a big hole lol. Thanks for the sheet though I'll check it out

It seems important though, because getting taxed compared getting your tax back at the end year are definitely 2 different things. You could make the argument that they shouldnt do it that way but thats a different argument. Also it would make more sense to me to pay a living wage rather than not tax, the problem isnt that the tax is too much its more that non-skilled jobs are paid so low

She can be although im not really a push over, hence the clashes. She has clashed with other as well, im generally more laid back. Shes from Latin America (Colombia) which is predominately blue and yes its like she looks out for things that are not perfect, its funny cos its almost like she never enjoys the perfection because shes always worrying about the next thing she has to do. Im always trying to get her to be in the moment. Ill look into the sedona method, ive heard about it but dont know much about it. This is true, sometimes i do feel like i need validation, its something i really need to work on. I know how to show i dont need it but internally sometimes it claws at me, i have improved but its a process. The socks thing i was more annoyed that she would be so angry about something i didnt think was important in the slightest. We had a discussion after that and thats when she told me about her mums high standard etc, so i can understand that culture and why she may be like that, but it still does trigger me when its in full force. Yeah she is tbf, but i think if i was to stay long term it would still be a problem, sometimes i think maybe its a good test for me to stay in presence, because when i am things are a lot easier and she can be really cool to hang out with, obviously focusing on the negatives here. We are definitely on different levels, but then it is tricky finding someone i can truly relate to. Yes definitely true, i think that is how she works in general though she tends to be a bit of a worrier and focuses on the avoiding fearful things so i guess this would extend to me lol. But also i do tend to focus on it, usually if im not feeling good and i cant just laugh it off, or she does it multiple times in quick succession. One of the best times i had with her was actually in lockdown because she felt completely free, didnt have to worry about work, had loads of time etc. I take your points though, i know its me focusing on it that makes it seem worse, so i have to work on that and open myself up, even if we stop speaking or whatever its still something i would want to bring into different relationships.

Thanks for your response x. Im definitely not perfect, im under no illusion about that, but none of us are and i think we're always works in progress. I feel a lot of compassion for her because a lot of these behaviors are automatic, through her very blue upbringing and now (i would say) shes in orange, shes very hardworking and achievement orientated, which is a positive for her, its just when she puts that on other people, mainly me, i think it causes problems. I, as you say to do, try and bring out the best in her which she recognises but i think she feels frustration in that she cant do the same for me, she wants to hence the nagging but the method is not great, she knows and she says in this respect she wants to be more like me (probably the only aspect of me she wants to be like lol). I have told her many times how it makes me feel etc and i feel like the intention is there to not do it so much, but at this point it just seems so hard wired in her, and she is probably even harsher on herself, which is why ive been encouraging her with meditation etc.

I'm not an expert on US tax but in the UK we get a personal tax allowance of upto £12500 where you don't pay any tax if you earn under that amount. I think the US have something similar. I know there are deductions for certain things, so I don't think it's as simple as just they take 23%. Your overall point that Amazon and other companies should pay more tax is definitely true, but they need to adjust the system and not allow tax loopholes. Problem is companies will do anything within legality to avoid paying tax, so if they can get away with it in any country they'll go to that country, so it becomes a balancing act for governments if they want to keep big businesses.

Its a similar structure but obviously living conditions, human rights (at least in the west) have vastly improved. Also if you are entrepreneurial you have the opportunity to start your own business and exploit others. If youre smart you can get a higher paying job as well, so long as youre providing a lot of value to your employer. But regardless its still a vertical structure where those at the top make money from the work of those at the bottom, whats clever about today is that most people will have hope that if they work hard enough theyll be higher up the food chain one day. There are some that say in the days of peasants they were actually happier because they didnt have the false belief that anyone can be at the same level of the rich, so they embraced their identity as peasants and had a disdain for the rich people. In modern day the notion that anyone can 'make it' means that wherever you are its your doing, even if you work as hard as possible if only you worked harder youd be better off. This culture is more prevalent in the States, which is why the have the worst benefits (least holiday, maternity etc). A true evolution would be a more flat structure where the workers would have more say and have a share in the company, it would be a move toward socialism, until then we havent really evolved too much from the past.