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Agendas have always been injected through media, it is what it is. How many war films, action films with patriotic Americans defeating foreign terrorists, family films pushing nuclear families, this has been injected into media for years. There was even early media normalising slavery or black people in roles of servitude. Lots of right wing Conservative values have been injected into media as long there's been media, often to the detriment of the marginalised. If you want to be consistent you'd have to also accept this. Also keep in mind the right is still trying to do this, it's just that they don't have the pull that they once did and are losing the culture war. You only have to look at fox news or any right leaning media to see this. That doesn't mean that the left can't go to far, I can agree that there are some woke ideas that are just not really viable and even dumb but to say that this is just a thing the left is doing is very far from the truth. Keep in mind the extreme version of the right qanon, literally believes that the left are harvesting the blood of young people so that they can ingest it and gain youth, so crazy ideas are everywhere. In the age we're in no one has to be force fed anything, there a multiple options for the media you consume. So if Leo did do that then people would just stop watching him. But again this is no different from when the right gets criticised, if you went against abortion, gun rights, religion you would be shut down by the right. As I said there were rappers literally arrested because their lyrics were too sexual in the 90s and that era Conservative ideals were at the forefront. So my point is the exact same thing happens on both sides and its usually an excuse not to engage I'm real, good faith discussion with the 'opposition'. The right as you know it will die out probably in 20 years or so, they will not get into power, the new battle will be between center left and progressive left

No one called him creepy, they said what he did can come across creepy which he took as was intended. You're adding your own issues onto this

@bebotalk You're stuck on the demonisation of the left. What I'm directing you towards is that when the right was where cultural norms were more aligned with there was still a severe problem with censorship to the point where people were literally getting arrested for saying things that went against Conservative ideologies. Remember it was literally illegal to be gay in the western world up until the 60s and is still illegal in many countries in the world, so to dmsay that there wasn't censorship is far from the truth. What is happening is because the left is becoming more powerful, they have more power to censor those that don't align with them but don't fool yourself into thinking the right wouldn't do the same. You are more aligned with the right which is why you can't see this

That's amazing, you should be proud of yourself! You will find and probably have found, that once you make that shift and truly love yourself, you can now give freely. When you don't you'll always be in a taker mindset, as in you go into every situation in terms of what you can get out of it, or you feel like those around you haven't given you enough. You seem to have gotten into this giver mindset, when I say giver I don't mean just literally giving people money or whatever, I mean giving with your intention, your love, your compassion etc. People really feel that even if they dont articulate it, obviously in your situation your parents are feeling it and it's incredible you've reached that at a relatively young age!

Yeah essentially in your 20s ideally it should be an experimentation phase where you're just trying different things and seeing what sticks and what you enjoy. Most people in their 20s do a lot of partying as they feel that's what they should do because everyone does it, but as you mature you start to narrow down to what you actually like doing. Also I think in your 20s you want to really delve into any unaddressed trauma you might have or any mental issues and build up your self-awareness and self love. Essentially you want to make sure your ship is steady as you go further into life, from this perspective you will always make increasingly better choices as this improves. If you don't improve this and get into a routine, it will be harder to address the issues and then harder to get out of whatever situation you find yourself in. But as they say its all about the journey so enjoy it wherever it takes you

I think you always have to be authentic with whatever state you're in. What makes you not want to go is that you don't want to exert the energy it takes to force yourself to be upbeat. But if you just let yourself be whatever you are in the moment it takes a lot of pressure off. Also 9 times out of 10 if you do something fun with someone cool, your state will change for the better anyway because your mind is being occupied. It's harder to go into it from a negative state but I don't think you'll regret it

I dunno, just giving dictator states land when they start invading hasn't really worked out well in the past

Here's the thing in any culture group, there will always be the extreme 1 or 2% who treat the ideology as a religion. What happens in modern day is the the one side will often try and paint the whole opposing side as that 1 or 2% extreme. Conservatives are particularly good at this, which is why a lot of their focus and policies are based on 'battling wokisim', they're portraying a threat that even if it is there is no where near as extreme as they're making out. Someone said before in the thread that the 90s were a good balance and we were more free, this is completely misguided. You could not talk about gay issues or trans issues or even racial issues freely, you would get shut down by conservatives. Hip-hop music was constantly battling censorship, there were protests all the time to silence NWA, 2 Live Crew etc where members were literally arrested because of sexually explicit lyrics. The whole reason there is 'explicit content' sticker on physical media is because of this censorship. People tend to paint the 90s as some ideal time when everyone could say what they want, it's just not true. The only difference was the right ideals were more prominent, as in more of the population had a conservative mindset. Now the window has moved to the liberal mindset starting to be more dominant. Which of course the right is scared of and so they have to strawman the left and over exaggerate the threat so that you vote for them and they can save you from big bad wokism. All the republicans running for office have used wokism to campaign, they're not stupid, they know their potential voters are scared about it, there's probably market research companies who can would've worked out that most potential voters see wokism as the biggest threat to America. So the candidates play it up as if they can 'solve' this exaggerated problem, they would've saved america. Its nonsense, but they are good at it.

I can imagine it mustve been very tough, but also keep in mind a lot of people dont have good guidance when theyre growing up whatever their situation. Your situation is less well understood by your parents generation but so are a lot of mental health issues and challenges of growing up in the world as it is. Point being dont beat yourself up, it wasnt your fault but now, as an adult, it is your responsibility if you want to make the most of your life. The flip of what youre saying though in is that lets say hypothetically you werent really trans but had other issues and thought you were trans and then took hormones and changed your body, you may later have regretted that and blamed your parents as well, which is the case in some situations today.

haha I was gonna reply to him but i cant be bothered to get into a stupid debate, i dont know how he comes up with his takes

Yeah its a great way to debate in good faith, if you notice most debates online including here on the forum, will take the oppositions point and make it the most extreme version of it and then argue against that exaggerated point. So it'll be something like 'Wokism wants to inject kids with hormones' the reality is most people on the progressive left probably dont agree with that but they do want equal rights for trans people, but if you dont believe in equal rights for trans people its hard to argue that they shouldnt have rights, its easier to say the whole movement is crazy because of this extreme view. To be clear this does happen on both sides but i think its really good practice to try and argue the best points from the other side, even if you still dont agree you would have more emapthy and understanding for their position.

I was gonna post this myself, Trump does not give a fuck about black people. This story and the fact he still refuses to apologise it is a great example of this. Not only that there were a lot of issues with him not allowing black people to rent his places - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html I dont think hes necessarily racist in a way where he has nazi or white supremacist beliefs, I dont think he has any beliefs in fact, aside from what can give him status and money. If black people can help him do that he will be 'on their side' like with Kanye West. But his main voting block is almost at direct odds with the black community so his no incentive to win their vote, in fact i remember the last election his speech to win over the black vote was along the lines of, 'your situation is crap already so what do you have to lose, you might as well vote for me'. Some black people like him, because he represents the american dream of getting rich and capitalism, which is prevalent in certain strands of hip-hop, but i couldnt think of a worse representative of climbing up the ladder and making your fortune on your own. But no he has not and will not benefit the black community if he does it would be by pure chance not intention.

What you guys should contemplate is what are the positives of 'wokism'? In most cases the term used to demonise the progressive left, its kind of like dismissing all conservatives as maga, qanon, Trumpists. That is the real test of critical thinking when you can steelman a position you dont agree with, rather than strawman it.

You guys act like 40 is the end I'm 39 so I guess the end is near for me, but i actually think they can be the best times of your life if you've been improving and working on yourself leading up to it. When I was young I felt a lot more lost, anxious, scared of life, I didn't know myself that well. Now I'm so much more comfortable in my own skin, I do things I want to do, I've started learning an instrument and started a band, I've started a local football team, I volunteer for a charity, I have a business much better relationships and I just enjoy these things. When I was younger I was just worried about what I should be rather than what I actually want. So I think the clarity is a big gift and I also feel like I need to make the most of things, before I felt like I'd be young forever.

Exactly, ultimately if you like someone you would want to share things with them eventually but of your own volition. Tbh even if a girl id just met asked me that out of the blue I'd be a bit weirded out. I guess the rule of thumb would be never ask for a picture but if you yourself feel comfortable you can share something with them, as long as its not a dick pic

The incel mindset is a victim narrative and ideology that is used to absolve responsibility from the person for their inability to attract a female. Meaning they blame society and women specifically rather than looking at what they can do and the reason why someone might not be attracted to them. Where I might sympathise with them, is society does give you the message that sex and relationships are so easy to attain and so rewarding. The general message is that if you don't get a date, you're a loser or if you're not married with kids you're a loser, which can easily make you feel depressed if you don't get these things. Also, unless you have a healthy masculine role model who can teach you positive mindsets and practical ways to talk to women, you will be lost in how to actually improve. So much so it may seem impossible and when an ideology comes along that explains to you none of this is your fault and it's all because the distance between your eyes is too much or too little, you can see how attractive that might be. Essentially they feel hopeless and the ideology gives the message to embrace the hopelessness, further cementing it through different ideas about female nature etc, even if they don't have direct experience of challenging these ideas, they will still take them on. For example they will convince themselves that they're ugly even if objectively they're not, which for most of them is true. They'll also call any attempt to improve a cope. It's like having an ideology that there's nothing you can do about being fat, it might be true for some of them but the vast majority would be able to change it.

A big part of this process is making the girl feel safe and comfortable around you. This is heightened if you're cold approaching as you could literally be anyone, so she's looking for signs that something is off, she will not give you the benefit of the doubt, in fact even if something is not suspicious but she gets a bad feeling from your vibe she will cut you off. So asking for photos of inside the house and family would definitely be a red flag. If I just met you and you asked me for that I'd think you were weird regardless of safety.

Ive had some thoughts about this, so I want to break down this topic - Everyone is born with particular genetic advantages and disadvantages, if we use a rating system, imagine on a game, you would have a score out of 10 for each category. In this case we'll focus on categories that are important for a man to attract and keep a mate, so lets say the following (I know I will miss out some) -Looks -Ambition - Masculinity - Athleticism/Aesthetic Body -Emotional Intelligence -Intelligence - Social ability - Confidence -Sense of Humour -Style -work ethic/mindset Now we all have these attributes to different degrees, the genetic (although some of these can come through nurture) component is your potential level these can go up to. So for example you might have great genetics for intelligence, so naturally your a 6 without much effort, but if you work on it you could be a 9, however you may not work on it or may not get the necessary coaching you needed to get there and so you will stay at a 6. Whereas someone not as gifted as you, whos top level of potential is only a 7 from a starting point of 4, could overtake the genetically gifted 6, if they work really hard, essentially the old saying - 'hard work beats talent, when talent doesnt work hard'. So this brings us to looks, because they are the first thing people see they are a big factor in terms of attraction, so they can definitely get your foot in the door. However, if you are low on a lot of the other factors, it will still be very hard for you to attract someone. Lets say you were good looking but really low on masculinity or confidence, you would still have trouble, if not initially, definitely in a long terms relationship. Looks are also notable because there is only so much you can do with your looks, so the increase in score for that category is not that high. If you made sure that you had a good haircut, good skincare, teeth etc it still wouldnt boost your looks up that much, maybe a point at best. So the payoff is not great. However if you worked on say your body, you could go from skinny to a good, muscular size which would then boost that ranking up a few spots in terms of attraction. Same with confidence, if you worked on that it could make you a lot more attractive. The problem is, people tend to focus on looks because that is the first thing people see but its actually not even the most attractive. Something like ambition which could lead to status would actually be more attractive if you get there. Also there is more emphasis on looks because of social media and dating apps where looks are everything, they have always been important but the current landscape has supercharged them. So if youre not ranked high for looks it is very detrimental for you to be on apps. You may get away with it if youre able to properly demonstrate your higher ranking criteria, so if you can get across how ambitious you are or your sense of humour. What guys miss is that they only show off their looks which puts them in direct competition with guys higher ranked in looks. Regarding the ranking system as well, most people will get to a point where they are 'good enough' and stay there. Meaning if you get to say a 7 for athleticism, you will start seeing results for that, so your motivation to get to a 9 or 10 will most likely not be there. Usually if you are genetically strong in one area it takes away your motivation to get better in that area because you may see yourself as gifted. Whereas someone who is lower in athleticism will be more motivated to work harder. But there are very few that are both genetically gifted and incredibly hard working, these are real outliers who are at the top of their field, if you think football, someone like Ronaldo who was probably a 7 at football genetically got up to a 9 or 10 through hard work, most at a 7 would have a great career anyway and dont get to those levels Ronaldo set. So the best thing is to work out what your strength's and weaknesses are, you want to be at least average in all and then excel in as many as you have a genetic proclivity for. So for example i might double down on Athleticism and emotional intelligence, which then gives me a usp with potential partners that they wouldnt get elsewhere. But I also need to work hard to be more social and confident, because without those I wouldnt have a chance to show my strong points.

I think the whole post had some great insights so thanks for sharing! I agree as well, i think as men we often judge ourselves on how many and how attractive the women we get are, not taking into account our own attraction to them as an individual. There will be certain women we're with where it just feels smooth and easy and these always lead to more satisfying relationships, short or long term. So i think as you say, its really about working out what you want and what suits you.

Is this Leo's blackpill arc?

@rnd So you're equating Wikipedia to Putins control of Russia? If youre claiming that what I posted is not true or that its framed in the best possible light because its on Wikipedia, then I would ask what media source would you say reports the facts independently in your opinion? The story I linked was what happened as reported everywhere apart from in Russia most likely. Next there are numerous articles on Wikipedia that do show the west in a negative light, how do you explain those? Here are some examples - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse?wprov=sfla1

Not sure I'd peg him at a 7 but of course it's subjective, his height probably helps as well. But I agree his charisma and intelligence in his situation, is the main factor, if he didn't have that and was just homeless he would not get any girls. Unfortunate he had his addiction problems, there are obviously some deeper issues at play.

So what's your definition, you did t answer? This is the definition of definition btw - a statement of the exact meaning of a word, especially in a dictionary.

Oh you're talking about spiral eyes. But really it's just presence, it does definitely work

I dont know man, genetics obviously play their part but I think most guys are not maximising their potential, by definition most guys looks are average but also most guys dont actively put in work in terms of fitness, social and internal so logically you would be ahead of most guys if you put in some work. Even just being good looking, chances are girls are not gonna approach you so you still need to do work and you definitely need work to sustain a relationship. To be the best you need genetics + hard work, but you can still do really well with average genetics + hard work, most likely youll do better than genetics - hard work. Personal anecdote, for research purposes I got rated by a well known black pill youtuber, he put me at a 4, which although was a slight hit to my ego, doesnt really match with my reality and the girls that I attract both irl and on dating apps. Not saying its a non-stop line of women but its certainly better than they would lead a 'below average' man to believe he could attract.