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If you take the definition of racism as a person or group of people who believe they are superior to another on the basis of race (which i do personally) then yes it definitely is rqacist. However I would say that every religion falls into this trap (as well as many different groups of people). If you notice every religion has derogatory words for non-believers, christians have heathens, muslim kuffar etc etc, its a built in thing because religions on some level know what it takes to keep people believing in them, which is to believe that they are the ones with the truth. You mentioned that Jewish people have lived out their prophecy and become a very popular religion, but really every religion says that even ones that are now defunct, so obviously someone had to be right. As they say history is written by the winners
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OK ive contemplated this issue after watching a bit of the debate with Destiny and i think ive got an overall understanding of it, let me know if you agree: Essentially there are 3 different arguments around the trans sports issue - 1. Some trans people and advocates of trans people who believe that Trans women in this case, should be 100% recognised and accepted as real women, this of course includes being able to use bathrooms designated for women and competing with biological women in sporting events. Anything less than this is taken as saying trans women are not real women. 2. At the other end you have usually more conservative people, who dont accept trans women as women and dont think people should be able to change genders. In fact its seen as a degradation of society that they are even accepted and celebrated in society, its almost seen as an attack on masculinity. They of course dont believe trans women should be able to compete against women in sports. 3. The rest is those who are in between, they either dont really care too much about trans people anymore than anyone else or they even support them and theyre right to be, but on the sports issue they dont believe that trans women should compete with cis women because of biological advantages. The moderate 3rd view for me is the most logical, there is a huge difference between a trans woman and a cis woman in terms of advantages, a quick example is that the number 1 ranked 100m sprint time by a women since records began would not even got that woman into the top 10,000 mens times, which means essentially you could have the 10,000th best time as a man and if you became a woman you would literally have the best time in the history of women. Theres countless examples but i think that is the most stark. So heres where the issues arise, for the most part trans women can live there life as women without too much trouble, but the competition argument will hit against this so if the 1s are going to keep their argument they have to contend with this issue. The 2s use this issue as a way to justify why trans people shouldnt exist, although they are right about the specific competing issue the rest of their argument falls short, which is why they tend dwell and over exaggerate the issue. The 3s are not trying to sneak in any ulterior argument they are just arguing directly that trans women shouldnt compete with biological women. What ive seen happening in the Destiny debate as well as others is that the 1s try to paint the 3s out to be 2s. This is simply not the case especially in terms of Destiny who i think argues against 2s constantly about things like trans rights. If he got banned it wouldve been because they successfully managed to label him as a 2. The solution in my opinion, is to change how trans people are thought of in general but especially when it comes to 1s. Trans women are different from biological women, theres no way around that, they are distinct as trans women in that their biology is different, their life experience is different etc. But the key is that what they are as trans women is completely valid and is a category in of itself and so should be fully respected and accepted, their human experience is completely different to cis-gendered people and vice versa. Because this view is not taken by 1s it leads to these types of debates which can only exist if you hold the belief that they are indivisible from cis gendered women.
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@Yarco There is a wider context to this, the UK has a long history of racism and violence stemming from that racism, both from normal people and police. There gave been many cases in the past where black people have been murdered for being black. Also been ostracised from society or just generally harassed, attacked etc especially in regard to football, as in it would be normal for football fans to attack any black person they see. Today it has improved a lot but I think Britain sees itself as a country that tackles racism and as such, you could argue that they may overreact to an incident like this but its almost like they're making an example out of the guy. It may look harsh and may even be harsh but within the context any acceptance of this where you let this kind of thing fester can have real world consequences. The other point with the politicians, in the UK there has definitely been one if not two politicians murdered in the last couple of years by people that have tweeted hateful comments at them. This is a fine line because there has to be criticism of public figures but I think there's a line between that and actual hate speech that could lead to something worse. There's also the factor of really affecting someone and being a cause fir them commiting suicide, which has also happened. I get what you're saying in that you should be free to say what you want, but these a directed comments that the recipients see. If you're talking to your friends you can say whatever, but if you're directing comments like 'hope you die bitch' to the actual person that would be the equivalent of calling them and saying it, or leaving notes at their house or in public places, potentially even worse as the whole world can see them forever. Also UKs not that bad, I've lived here all my life and never paid a TV 'loicense' (we don't talk like that ?)
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That's pretty harsh, the fact that op posted that question could also show that they aren't toxic as that's not something a toxic person would be concerned with. Either way at least there's some self awareness and a desire to improve themselves as a person
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@Razard86 Sometimes in these debates people just kind of end up talking past each other. You seem to be making the claim that men are physically more athletic on average and when it comes to professional sports will most of the time come out on top, therefore making it unfair for men and women to compete (trans included). I dont think anyone is disputing this, if they are it would be a silly argument as its quite obvious. The dispute is in this statement, i think it would be pretty hard to make the argument that trans athletes dominant any sport. To dominate a sport youre talking about being at the top level of that sport and this is just not the case. Apart from obscure Polish mma you wont find that many competing at a high level. Dont confuse this with some may have the potential to or that they have an advantage. Now there could be a number of reasons for that they dont dominate female sports, it could be that theres such a small number of trans people, relatively speaking, that theres unlikely to be a pool that are going to compete at a high level at every female sport, it could be that they just dont want to compete because they feel its unfair, whatever the reasons there isnt a massive issue with trans-women taking over female sports, even with it being more acceptable to be trans now. So again i think this issue is way over blown imo
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@Razard86 Yes obvs the male body on average has advantages over the female byt what specific sports are trans women actually dominating? I don't see any trans women dominating ufc or the wnba, or tennis etc. To be dominant you would have to point to a specific trans woman who is at the top of the female division in a sport.
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But isnt unfair that if youre under 6 foot your most likely not gonna play in the nba? In theory if we want things to be fair we would have to have countless categories so that everyone could get a chance to play the sport professionally. If not then it would make sense just to have the best players compete without any exceptions. As a society we chose not to do that mainly because genetically gifted, athletic men would dominate completely, so no one else would get a chance. This is why it was necessary to construct categories like a female category or disabled etc. But really recognise these categories are completely made up, they dont have to exist and dont even really make sense when you really contemplate. If youre the fastest woman in the world but the 5000th fastest human it only becomes relevant with categories, if we were in the wild and had to run from predators no one would care lol. So yes of course these categories can be deconstructed, I think some categories are useful though and its good to have womens sport and disabled sport etc if it needs to be reworked or new categories need to come in then it is what it is. Ultimately the market will decide what it wants to see.
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Like @Tristan12 said its all about self-awareness. No doubt you, and everyone pretty much, will carry out actions that can cause harm to others, what keeps you performing these actions is self-interest and then deception around that self-interest. So for example you might lets say, cut someone off in traffic, you then may justify that to yourself by thinking, 'well i was late and in a rush'. Next day someone might cut you off and you get angry about it and you dont justify their actions. With things like this you need to build up awareness of the negative feeling that you are causing others, with this awareness and an intention not to cause harm, you can cut down these behaviours. If you notice yourself justifying a negative action, use your awareness and empathy.
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@vizual I agree I that it's an issue to be sorted out, but i dont think that requires everyone fighting about it. Its also really not that big of an issue in terms of the number of people it affects, the trans people that want to compete in specific sports is so miniscule that its barely an issue, but of course will still need a solution when it does arise. The only time I've seen it be a significant thing was with the 800m runner caster semanya, but she was intersex and obviously had advantages over other women. So maybe the guidelines could be around how much testorone you have or just have seperate categories, but it doesn't really warrant the amount of attention this has got, esp considering there are literal wars and human rights violations going on daily, there's still slavery even, this trans issue should be way down the docket in terms if attention it's receiving. In my opinion it's become such a hot issue because the right use it as stick to hit woke culture with, but if you make an issue bigger than it is to attack a movement then how bad is that movement really? If you look at the intentions behind woke culture it's really to have a society that finds a place for everyone within it, now their ideal might take the pursuit too far wear in other groups can be affected, but the intention is at least positive. The right don't seem to have that intention and in fact they seem to make woke culture worse in a way to not give certain people a place in society, they need to be realistic and realise society will evolve and change. Bur both sides need to actually work out a reasonable way forward.
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There are some things to iron out of course, but facts are there are going to be people that want to change there gender, there's no getting around that and in fact its always been the case with humans. As a society we then have to decide on the technical issues, the only one really is the sports issue. But what I notice is that there are many online commentators that really whip people up into feeling passionate about this. I honestly think most people just wouldn't care or even notice these trans gender issues if it wasn't being brought up in the kind of context it is. For example when you hear of teans genders competing it's always some obscure contest that no one would've even heard of if a million YouTube videos weren't made about it. I'm not saying things don't need to be ironed out but I just think this is way overblown, I don't see the affect it directly has on the op for example.
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Welcome and listen to tales of the great spiritual forum war of 2022, it was battle that led to the formation of an independent forum. For now it has settled down but there could be spies and other tactics abound, its a cold war at present but we shall see what happens
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Consept replied to Sucuk Ekmek's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
I think he's realised a lot of his viewers are into conspiracy theories and he's servicing that market. There was a distinct change over the pandemic, where the thumbnails and titles became increasingly alarmist. I think he's an interesting guy and I admire his growth but I think he's got a bit lost down this particular rabbit hole -
Could be, the only way to get an idea is when you've done something that with hindsight you consider wrong, how did you feel at the time pf doing it?
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Im not saying its good or justifying his actions obviously, im saying from Hitlers and nazi Germany's perspective it was 'good', they didnt think they were doing something bad they believed they were doing something good for humanity, most wars people think they are doing something good even if theyre invading, this has happened throughout history. Its all just a matter of perspective and if your area of concern is only your tribe then of course everyone outside of it are other and therefore bad. Look at the mongals, or persians or romans or any empire you can think of, there was enormous bloodshed and death, rape etc but they from their perspective were not the bad guys, they were the heroes!
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I'd disagree slightly, you dont even have to see what Hitler did from the absolute perspective to say he had good intentions, if you just look from his and nazi Germany's perspective, it was committed from positive intentions, they wanted to rid the world of what they considered evil. Imagine really believing what the nazis did, like truly believing they were saving mankind, of course you would think that is from good intentions. There was an interesting film made around Indonesians in power who slaughtered 1000s of their own citizens, which i think is quite relevant to the topic -
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Yeah id disagree, you can definitely act from bad intentions as in you know what youre doing is going to cause harm. A good example is psychopaths, they may want someone to suffer or they may just want something and not care if someone gets hurt in the process of them getting it, however psychopaths literally cannot feel empathy. Another way to say it is they lack awareness around other peoples pain to the point where they cant even understand it, given this its easy to see how they could commit harmful acts at the very least not caring about the harm and at worst doing it to specifically cause harm but either way they dont have consciousness to appreciate what theyre actually doing. When you consider we're all on the psychopath spectrum, its easy to see how you can momentarily lack empathy and cause harm. There are of course many cases where people are trying to do good and are causing harm as well.
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Not exactly, what I'm saying is that you may not have an awareness that what you're doing could be harming someone else. It's not necessarily to do with morality, maybe to be more specific, empathy and compassion. Morality is like an external set of rules which you use to judge whether somethings good or bad, what I'm saying is a lot of the time we can't commit harm because we feel compassion and empathy toward the victim, its not out of morality. If someone doesn't feel this then they are more able to commit harmful acts. It's why as Leo said in the war video, that they train soldiers to lose their sense of empathy toward the enemy, so that they're able to kill others.
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To be honest I don't think it's as deep as them having thought out good intentions, like a rapist is prob not sitting down weighing up the pros and cons of rape. They just are not conscious enough in that moment to see what they're doing is wrong. It's like if you eat meat that could be considered wrong but you just don't have the perspective that it's wrong, its not like you're eating meat out of good intentions, you're just doing it.
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There are people that appear to just love being evil, but by saying that it would suggest that we all operate from the same brain configuration as well as had the same kind of upbringing and experiences. If you really scratch the surface there are always some kind of issues with evil actions, either they had an upbringing that caused them certain traumas, or they were indoctrinated into a way of thinking or there brain was just a certain way. Its very rare that someone has absolutely no traumas was given a lot of love treated well etc and they just chose to hurt people.
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@Raptorsin7 Actually speaking of predictions, i remember Sadhguru talking about people who lived off the land and were nomadic and he said they were able to predict weather and danger and other things just from their senses, ie any human in a given environment can be more aware of certain things that will aid their survival, or they can even practice being aware of things or studying things and their awareness will grow in this area. So i think when we're talking about special abilities and can be brought to reality by seeing it as just advanced awareness. We dont know the limitations of our senses and mind, so its not so much of a stretch to say if you enhance your awareness you could look like you have a super power to someone who is not aware. Its like if you went back in time and could predict human behavior because you knew about psychology you would would be seen as a mind reader, i mean youll probably get burned for being a witch though lol.
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I often see this is a projection of people where they liken him those kind of scammy gurus who do magic tricks and claim supernatural powers. Sadhguru rarely talks about any abilities, im not even sure he directly claims he has any, at the very least he doesnt lead with it and actually downplays it as far as i can see because hes aware how it would be interpreted. I dont think youll find many people who listen to his teachings that are only listening because of his 'special abilities', its more a case of just what he says resonates. I think this is quite unfair but i guess its how we work as people, we make quick assumptions about someone and then it takes a lot to change that original opinion.
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Good video about cults https://youtu.be/6NWIfiV1_XQ
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That's true why haven't you been banned yet? Very suspicious ? cult confirmed
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What's your definition of a cult?
