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So do you believe there's no behavior that could be classed as creepy? Some examples - if a guy is following a woman late at might on a street and not saying. If a guy stares at a woman's crotch or tits whilst speaking to her. If a guy touches a woman's ass on purpose on a crowded train. If a man tells a woman he just met he's imagining having sex with her. Would these examples be on the women for being creeped out? Keep in mind none are illegal

@mr_engineer What do you regard as real toxic or creepy behavior in men?

i still dont understand his point

Fucking is overrated but true connection is probably underrated

@Reciprocality So wait I'm still confused, in your example who is it that repulses you (as per the topic title) is it the African tribe or the healthy suspicion people?

Everyone would agree with this definition. Even if you used the word civil they would have a similar understanding. This is where you are very confusing. So just I'm clear you're saying a civilised or civil person would be around strangers in a public area and see them as a threat, so using the definition you've researched, this attitude toward strangers is one of a member of an advanced society who is polite and refined. This is categorically not true it doesn't work with your definition. A member of an advanced society would definitely not see other random people as an arbitrary threat. If they were in a deprived area that they were not familiar with, then maybe they would see people as a threat, but even if they didn't it doesn't make them uncivilised, it just makes them naieve and ignorant to danger. On the contrary someone who sees danger where there isn't is going to be more likely to be uncivilised. I don't know man, maybe I'm missing something, maybe you're really smart and everyone else is dumb, but this just seems like a lot of words for absolutely no substance. I could be wrong and also I don't mean to be harsh esp if English is not your first language

It feels like op is using words they maybe don't understand or have a different meaning to than other people. This is a very confusing thread, when he said civil I assumed something like being very careful what you say and going along with how society wants you to be. But then his example is sitting carefree in a city lol. Op don't worry about sounding smart, try and communicate in a way that others would understand. I think a better lesson from this thread is how to communicate.

You have to watch the more than a minute, he's using that as an analogy

Around 55:40 he answers a question about being creepy

Why would he leak that 😂😂😂

It is really difficult as theres no hard and fast rule, but I would say red flags for me are aggressive marketing, way overpriced course with upsells, style over substance so if theres more focus on the personality rather than the actual content. In general its more of the vibe you get from them, but also look at reviews, careful if theyre sponsored or have an affiliate link. It is minefield out there though

Treat yourself as someone you truly love, imagine a a good friend or family member youre very close to. If they told you I messed up my diet how would you react to them, would you criticise them and tell them how bad they are for messing it up? Or would you help them look at the positive, that theyve been doing so well and its ok to slip up sometimes? Really start thinking of yourself as someone worthy of compassion, otherwise its almost like youre your own bully, you only do stuff when your forced to through negative emotion. No one would be happy being bullied constantly.

Bro it is not a normal thing for a woman to just call a guy a creep just for approaching, even if they think he is they're obviously not going to say something that would wind him up if they thought he was potentially dangerous. Here are many examples of the exact scenarios you talk of where the guy was never going tonbe called a creep

It can be single fathers of course, but usually it will be mother as the single parent, single parent fathers are a lot more rare. But in general a single parent household is going to be more detrimental to the child. Heres a quote from a report on the subject - "Impact on Cognitive Development and Academic Performance. Various studies have found reduction in academic performance, motivation, and creativity among those growing up in single-parent households. Children were likelier to drop out, have poorer grades, and get jobs outside of school." https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09731342231179017#:~:text=22%2C 30-,Impact on Cognitive Development and Academic Performance,get jobs outside of school. As I said single parent households have increased dramatically over the last 50 or so years which has lead to a detrimental affect on children. My theory is that not having men on the household has severely affected a lot of boys. I also speak from first hand experience dealing with teenage boys as a youth worker and 9 times out of 10 that ones that had emotional problems and a fragile, hyper masculinity were those that had bad home situations including not having a positive male figure in their lives, which is what we employed to provide.

Of course, I'm not saying that it's perfect by default if there are 2 parents or that its terrible by default if there's one. What im saying is that for those guys that do have hatred toward women a lot of them are from single mother households, it is definitely a factor imo. For these guys it's easy to get swept up by red pill content because they don't actually know what healthy masculinity looks like

@Emerald This a good post and very necessary in terms of whats going on in general and on this forum. What I'd also add though and this is mainly anecdotal, but I think a lot of this anger men have toward women stems from household issues, so the scenario of the dad not being around and mum having to raise the child herself usually turns out problematic. If the father has left the mother will maybe justifiably, have resentment toward the father, she'll then teach the boy to be 'good' which is not masculine at all good and bad traits, this can lead to anger from the toward women child when them being nice doesn't lead to any success with women. Also keep in mind single parent households have been rising in number for the last few decades, so the sheer number of boys without good male role models in their life has become significant. On the other side if a boy just has a bad relationship with his mother, in which he didn't get love, that can also lead to a hatred of women because it triggers those feelings of rejection. Society definitely does have a hand in the repression of the feminine but I feel if there were more healthy role models around it wouldnt bevas extreme, the problem now is that if there are more unhealthy males they will also raise more unhealthy males.

Imagine talking for literal years on a forum about how you should be allowed to be creepy towards women, whilst never actually talking to any women irl. This is peak Internet. Let's say you win this argument @mr_engineer and everyone agrees with you, youll still be in the position. Just go out and talk to women, theyre not that bad i promise

I've always had a weird feeling about Jay Shetty, he just has an inauthentic aura about him but seems to be able to get a lot of high profile celebs (J.Lo, Will Smith etc) to become fans of his. He's supposed to be a spiritual leader who was an ex-monk but there's a lot of evidence showing that a lot of his back story if not all was fabricated, his ex-wife and ex-employees have come out with stories about him. He charges £7,500 for his course and claims it can be used as a university credit, which no university had verified. Very long article about all this here un the guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/ng-interactive/2024/feb/29/jay-shetty-self-help-empire?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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If someone comes up to you, lets say a bigger man and acts in a weird, socially uncalibrated way, would you feel comfortable with them?

@mmKay Do you think those at the top know its bullshit though? Like PBD, i get the feeling him and a few of his cohorts know exactly what they're doing, he himself said only 1 out of 100 will make it. Those below I understand them getting caught up in it, it functions the same as a cult where the members do genuinely believe in it and are sold this amazing dream.

Goes to show he good pbds gift was that Leo was taken in Tbf he is smart because he was able to cloak his mlm as if it was some legit insurance company, it wasn't, the main income was from recruiting others and only 1% made any real money from it, meaning the other 99% were how the 1% made money. This is why you need to have your own judgement on things, don't just take what Leo says automatically. The other thing with pbd is that he would never disavow mlms meaning he fully knows what he's doing and how he's taken advantage of people without any repentance. He isn't someone I'd want to learn from personally

Speaking on behalf of men on here -

I'm using it cos you used it OK be however you're being cos I'm sure every girl loves dumb debates about how you shouldn't be creep shamed. But also i cant get across how much i dont care about how you behave, i dont think ive got the vocabulary to fully explain how much i dont give a fuck