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Like @Tristan12 said its all about self-awareness. No doubt you, and everyone pretty much, will carry out actions that can cause harm to others, what keeps you performing these actions is self-interest and then deception around that self-interest. So for example you might lets say, cut someone off in traffic, you then may justify that to yourself by thinking, 'well i was late and in a rush'. Next day someone might cut you off and you get angry about it and you dont justify their actions. With things like this you need to build up awareness of the negative feeling that you are causing others, with this awareness and an intention not to cause harm, you can cut down these behaviours. If you notice yourself justifying a negative action, use your awareness and empathy.

@vizual I agree I that it's an issue to be sorted out, but i dont think that requires everyone fighting about it. Its also really not that big of an issue in terms of the number of people it affects, the trans people that want to compete in specific sports is so miniscule that its barely an issue, but of course will still need a solution when it does arise. The only time I've seen it be a significant thing was with the 800m runner caster semanya, but she was intersex and obviously had advantages over other women. So maybe the guidelines could be around how much testorone you have or just have seperate categories, but it doesn't really warrant the amount of attention this has got, esp considering there are literal wars and human rights violations going on daily, there's still slavery even, this trans issue should be way down the docket in terms if attention it's receiving. In my opinion it's become such a hot issue because the right use it as stick to hit woke culture with, but if you make an issue bigger than it is to attack a movement then how bad is that movement really? If you look at the intentions behind woke culture it's really to have a society that finds a place for everyone within it, now their ideal might take the pursuit too far wear in other groups can be affected, but the intention is at least positive. The right don't seem to have that intention and in fact they seem to make woke culture worse in a way to not give certain people a place in society, they need to be realistic and realise society will evolve and change. Bur both sides need to actually work out a reasonable way forward.

There are some things to iron out of course, but facts are there are going to be people that want to change there gender, there's no getting around that and in fact its always been the case with humans. As a society we then have to decide on the technical issues, the only one really is the sports issue. But what I notice is that there are many online commentators that really whip people up into feeling passionate about this. I honestly think most people just wouldn't care or even notice these trans gender issues if it wasn't being brought up in the kind of context it is. For example when you hear of teans genders competing it's always some obscure contest that no one would've even heard of if a million YouTube videos weren't made about it. I'm not saying things don't need to be ironed out but I just think this is way overblown, I don't see the affect it directly has on the op for example.

Welcome and listen to tales of the great spiritual forum war of 2022, it was battle that led to the formation of an independent forum. For now it has settled down but there could be spies and other tactics abound, its a cold war at present but we shall see what happens

I think he's realised a lot of his viewers are into conspiracy theories and he's servicing that market. There was a distinct change over the pandemic, where the thumbnails and titles became increasingly alarmist. I think he's an interesting guy and I admire his growth but I think he's got a bit lost down this particular rabbit hole

Could be, the only way to get an idea is when you've done something that with hindsight you consider wrong, how did you feel at the time pf doing it?

Im not saying its good or justifying his actions obviously, im saying from Hitlers and nazi Germany's perspective it was 'good', they didnt think they were doing something bad they believed they were doing something good for humanity, most wars people think they are doing something good even if theyre invading, this has happened throughout history. Its all just a matter of perspective and if your area of concern is only your tribe then of course everyone outside of it are other and therefore bad. Look at the mongals, or persians or romans or any empire you can think of, there was enormous bloodshed and death, rape etc but they from their perspective were not the bad guys, they were the heroes!

I'd disagree slightly, you dont even have to see what Hitler did from the absolute perspective to say he had good intentions, if you just look from his and nazi Germany's perspective, it was committed from positive intentions, they wanted to rid the world of what they considered evil. Imagine really believing what the nazis did, like truly believing they were saving mankind, of course you would think that is from good intentions. There was an interesting film made around Indonesians in power who slaughtered 1000s of their own citizens, which i think is quite relevant to the topic -

Yeah id disagree, you can definitely act from bad intentions as in you know what youre doing is going to cause harm. A good example is psychopaths, they may want someone to suffer or they may just want something and not care if someone gets hurt in the process of them getting it, however psychopaths literally cannot feel empathy. Another way to say it is they lack awareness around other peoples pain to the point where they cant even understand it, given this its easy to see how they could commit harmful acts at the very least not caring about the harm and at worst doing it to specifically cause harm but either way they dont have consciousness to appreciate what theyre actually doing. When you consider we're all on the psychopath spectrum, its easy to see how you can momentarily lack empathy and cause harm. There are of course many cases where people are trying to do good and are causing harm as well.

Not exactly, what I'm saying is that you may not have an awareness that what you're doing could be harming someone else. It's not necessarily to do with morality, maybe to be more specific, empathy and compassion. Morality is like an external set of rules which you use to judge whether somethings good or bad, what I'm saying is a lot of the time we can't commit harm because we feel compassion and empathy toward the victim, its not out of morality. If someone doesn't feel this then they are more able to commit harmful acts. It's why as Leo said in the war video, that they train soldiers to lose their sense of empathy toward the enemy, so that they're able to kill others.

To be honest I don't think it's as deep as them having thought out good intentions, like a rapist is prob not sitting down weighing up the pros and cons of rape. They just are not conscious enough in that moment to see what they're doing is wrong. It's like if you eat meat that could be considered wrong but you just don't have the perspective that it's wrong, its not like you're eating meat out of good intentions, you're just doing it.

There are people that appear to just love being evil, but by saying that it would suggest that we all operate from the same brain configuration as well as had the same kind of upbringing and experiences. If you really scratch the surface there are always some kind of issues with evil actions, either they had an upbringing that caused them certain traumas, or they were indoctrinated into a way of thinking or there brain was just a certain way. Its very rare that someone has absolutely no traumas was given a lot of love treated well etc and they just chose to hurt people.

@Raptorsin7 Actually speaking of predictions, i remember Sadhguru talking about people who lived off the land and were nomadic and he said they were able to predict weather and danger and other things just from their senses, ie any human in a given environment can be more aware of certain things that will aid their survival, or they can even practice being aware of things or studying things and their awareness will grow in this area. So i think when we're talking about special abilities and can be brought to reality by seeing it as just advanced awareness. We dont know the limitations of our senses and mind, so its not so much of a stretch to say if you enhance your awareness you could look like you have a super power to someone who is not aware. Its like if you went back in time and could predict human behavior because you knew about psychology you would would be seen as a mind reader, i mean youll probably get burned for being a witch though lol.

I often see this is a projection of people where they liken him those kind of scammy gurus who do magic tricks and claim supernatural powers. Sadhguru rarely talks about any abilities, im not even sure he directly claims he has any, at the very least he doesnt lead with it and actually downplays it as far as i can see because hes aware how it would be interpreted. I dont think youll find many people who listen to his teachings that are only listening because of his 'special abilities', its more a case of just what he says resonates. I think this is quite unfair but i guess its how we work as people, we make quick assumptions about someone and then it takes a lot to change that original opinion.

Good video about cults https://youtu.be/6NWIfiV1_XQ

That's true why haven't you been banned yet? Very suspicious ? cult confirmed

What's your definition of a cult?

Yeah it could be righteous action from their pov who knows. But i just dont think its that serious, this isnt a cult, i dont agree with Leo on lots of things but to view him as someone you have to help others escape from would be extreme. In reality if youre starting a business thats a spiritual forum similar to actualized, the best place to recruit would be actualized, if they were claiming anything else i would be skeptical.

To be fair its quite similar food, but either way yes i agree there should be diverse forums or forums that are similar to this one but add something different, of course, no one is saying that you have to just be on Actualized and thats it. Me personally, most content i consume is nothing to do with Actualized. The one issue is, (if we go back to the restaurant analogy lol), dont come into my restaurant and slip my customers notes secretly, about how they can get something similar and cheaper. Do your own independent marketing and get your own customers, this is the same across the board, show me one organisation that would be happy with these types of actions.

Well yeah but if they're going to court that would suggest that it's perceived to be unfair. But that's not the point, again you can steal this concept of a forum around spirituality, it's not exactly a new concept, the issue is going into something someone has built from the ground up and then trying to leech off of it to build their business. If you setup restaurant and someone puts their food cart in your parking lot offering the same food for cheaper, you're not going to be ok with it and just say 'ah well artist's steal'. At the very least it's not a very spiritual and caring thing to do, it's actually quite ruthless and under handed.

I can't think of any group, forum or business in the world that would be cool with members using it to recruit other members to create their own version of it. If they were cool with it, they wouldn't last very long. No one is saying you can't start your own forum or whatever you want to do, you just have to build it yourself, which I think is fair, no?

Hey guys, earlier today i had a coaching session with forum member @Rokazulu in which i helped him with some of his ideas around getting his spiritual business going. I think its a topic that might appeal to a lot of people on here and potentially they could get some value from it hopefully. It was really great talking to him and it was very interesting bringing up things he may not have thought about before and i think we may have set a good foundation for him going forward. It would be great to hear what others think and also if anyone is interested in coaching around business and financial matters with a spiritual twist just drop me a message, its free with a voluntary donation if you feel you got some value out of it. (hopefully this is allowed, its honestly just a way to serve people with what ive learnt over the years)

Thank you brother

This is not too hard to work out who's behind it lol. However I don't think they're appreciating how hard it is to keep a forum going especially if you don't have a consistent way of getting new people onto it, forums can easily turn into graveyards. But wow who thought there'd be so much warfare in spiritual community

I think youre taking things a bit too literal/serious, these are just ideas and ways of looking at the world. Its not a case of "4 gurus said this but 10 said something else so the majority must be right", Sadhguru and others are trying to make you understand something that essentially can not be communicated through language, he will do it using different metaphors and stories that just make you think. Regarding the heaven on earth there has been loads of symbolism around this through history, if you look at Christianity, the garden of eden is pretty much heaven on earth and then humans become corrupted (possible by the mind represented by the serpent), and exiled from it. You can take the whole parable as a metaphor for we could be in Heaven now if we just realise and are content with what we have, which is absolute abundance. This very much is the case in reality. Jesus also said - “Thy kingdom come on earth as in heaven.” Which seems to be about creating heaven on earth rather than being good and going to heaven. I think this echoes what Sadhguru was talking about.