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Yeah id disagree, you can definitely act from bad intentions as in you know what youre doing is going to cause harm. A good example is psychopaths, they may want someone to suffer or they may just want something and not care if someone gets hurt in the process of them getting it, however psychopaths literally cannot feel empathy. Another way to say it is they lack awareness around other peoples pain to the point where they cant even understand it, given this its easy to see how they could commit harmful acts at the very least not caring about the harm and at worst doing it to specifically cause harm but either way they dont have consciousness to appreciate what theyre actually doing. When you consider we're all on the psychopath spectrum, its easy to see how you can momentarily lack empathy and cause harm. There are of course many cases where people are trying to do good and are causing harm as well.

Not exactly, what I'm saying is that you may not have an awareness that what you're doing could be harming someone else. It's not necessarily to do with morality, maybe to be more specific, empathy and compassion. Morality is like an external set of rules which you use to judge whether somethings good or bad, what I'm saying is a lot of the time we can't commit harm because we feel compassion and empathy toward the victim, its not out of morality. If someone doesn't feel this then they are more able to commit harmful acts. It's why as Leo said in the war video, that they train soldiers to lose their sense of empathy toward the enemy, so that they're able to kill others.

To be honest I don't think it's as deep as them having thought out good intentions, like a rapist is prob not sitting down weighing up the pros and cons of rape. They just are not conscious enough in that moment to see what they're doing is wrong. It's like if you eat meat that could be considered wrong but you just don't have the perspective that it's wrong, its not like you're eating meat out of good intentions, you're just doing it.

There are people that appear to just love being evil, but by saying that it would suggest that we all operate from the same brain configuration as well as had the same kind of upbringing and experiences. If you really scratch the surface there are always some kind of issues with evil actions, either they had an upbringing that caused them certain traumas, or they were indoctrinated into a way of thinking or there brain was just a certain way. Its very rare that someone has absolutely no traumas was given a lot of love treated well etc and they just chose to hurt people.

@Raptorsin7 Actually speaking of predictions, i remember Sadhguru talking about people who lived off the land and were nomadic and he said they were able to predict weather and danger and other things just from their senses, ie any human in a given environment can be more aware of certain things that will aid their survival, or they can even practice being aware of things or studying things and their awareness will grow in this area. So i think when we're talking about special abilities and can be brought to reality by seeing it as just advanced awareness. We dont know the limitations of our senses and mind, so its not so much of a stretch to say if you enhance your awareness you could look like you have a super power to someone who is not aware. Its like if you went back in time and could predict human behavior because you knew about psychology you would would be seen as a mind reader, i mean youll probably get burned for being a witch though lol.

I often see this is a projection of people where they liken him those kind of scammy gurus who do magic tricks and claim supernatural powers. Sadhguru rarely talks about any abilities, im not even sure he directly claims he has any, at the very least he doesnt lead with it and actually downplays it as far as i can see because hes aware how it would be interpreted. I dont think youll find many people who listen to his teachings that are only listening because of his 'special abilities', its more a case of just what he says resonates. I think this is quite unfair but i guess its how we work as people, we make quick assumptions about someone and then it takes a lot to change that original opinion.

Good video about cults https://youtu.be/6NWIfiV1_XQ

That's true why haven't you been banned yet? Very suspicious ? cult confirmed

What's your definition of a cult?

Yeah it could be righteous action from their pov who knows. But i just dont think its that serious, this isnt a cult, i dont agree with Leo on lots of things but to view him as someone you have to help others escape from would be extreme. In reality if youre starting a business thats a spiritual forum similar to actualized, the best place to recruit would be actualized, if they were claiming anything else i would be skeptical.

To be fair its quite similar food, but either way yes i agree there should be diverse forums or forums that are similar to this one but add something different, of course, no one is saying that you have to just be on Actualized and thats it. Me personally, most content i consume is nothing to do with Actualized. The one issue is, (if we go back to the restaurant analogy lol), dont come into my restaurant and slip my customers notes secretly, about how they can get something similar and cheaper. Do your own independent marketing and get your own customers, this is the same across the board, show me one organisation that would be happy with these types of actions.

Well yeah but if they're going to court that would suggest that it's perceived to be unfair. But that's not the point, again you can steal this concept of a forum around spirituality, it's not exactly a new concept, the issue is going into something someone has built from the ground up and then trying to leech off of it to build their business. If you setup restaurant and someone puts their food cart in your parking lot offering the same food for cheaper, you're not going to be ok with it and just say 'ah well artist's steal'. At the very least it's not a very spiritual and caring thing to do, it's actually quite ruthless and under handed.

I can't think of any group, forum or business in the world that would be cool with members using it to recruit other members to create their own version of it. If they were cool with it, they wouldn't last very long. No one is saying you can't start your own forum or whatever you want to do, you just have to build it yourself, which I think is fair, no?

Hey guys, earlier today i had a coaching session with forum member @Rokazulu in which i helped him with some of his ideas around getting his spiritual business going. I think its a topic that might appeal to a lot of people on here and potentially they could get some value from it hopefully. It was really great talking to him and it was very interesting bringing up things he may not have thought about before and i think we may have set a good foundation for him going forward. It would be great to hear what others think and also if anyone is interested in coaching around business and financial matters with a spiritual twist just drop me a message, its free with a voluntary donation if you feel you got some value out of it. (hopefully this is allowed, its honestly just a way to serve people with what ive learnt over the years)

Thank you brother

This is not too hard to work out who's behind it lol. However I don't think they're appreciating how hard it is to keep a forum going especially if you don't have a consistent way of getting new people onto it, forums can easily turn into graveyards. But wow who thought there'd be so much warfare in spiritual community

I think youre taking things a bit too literal/serious, these are just ideas and ways of looking at the world. Its not a case of "4 gurus said this but 10 said something else so the majority must be right", Sadhguru and others are trying to make you understand something that essentially can not be communicated through language, he will do it using different metaphors and stories that just make you think. Regarding the heaven on earth there has been loads of symbolism around this through history, if you look at Christianity, the garden of eden is pretty much heaven on earth and then humans become corrupted (possible by the mind represented by the serpent), and exiled from it. You can take the whole parable as a metaphor for we could be in Heaven now if we just realise and are content with what we have, which is absolute abundance. This very much is the case in reality. Jesus also said - “Thy kingdom come on earth as in heaven.” Which seems to be about creating heaven on earth rather than being good and going to heaven. I think this echoes what Sadhguru was talking about.

Could you write a couple quotes that you personally disagree with?

I think with any teacher it's better to just judge on the actual content, like for example there could be something in particular he said that doesn't really make sense to you or seems really driven by ego, in which case there could be valid criticisms. But in general I don't think he talks in an overly mystical way, he tends to break things down in ways people can understand, which is one of his strengths in being able to talk to people where they're at. You may not like the delivery but I don't think that negates whether someone is quite advanced, a lot of people dont like Leo's delivery bur that doesn't mean he has a lot of great insights to share and is a developed person. But also it doesn't mean you have to like sadhguru, there are many different teachers that might be able to connect with you better.

The paper isn't great, he uses Osho as the example of what a guru should be, which although I believe Osho was awake he was arguably more flawed than Sadhuguru esp considering what happened with the community he setup. Also generally he's not even saying Sadhuguru is a fraud in the paper. In general ive always got quite deep vibes and general sense that Sadhguru is enlightened and in general has done a lot for mankind, esp with causes like this and trees which are not really fashionable, when the dust clears I think people will be very grateful for his contributions. Having said all that of course he's not above criticism and he himself has said something along the lines of don't just be devotee accepting everything I say, judge everything I say with whether it resonates and makes sense for you

I think i might be able to help with this, drop me a dm if youre up for having a chat via zoom to explore some of these issues

Yeah the thing is fear mongering works to get peoples attention whether it's mainstream or social media. I would say the social media fear mongering is much worse because they have very little checks and balances compared to mainstream, even though they fear monger about their freedom of speech being taken away ?

You have to really be careful with this content and i include Russell Brand in this. If you notice Ralph talks a lot about hot button issues even if he doesn't really know much about the topic and yes there could be some truth there, but he always seems to setup a "I'm on the side of truth against these evils (inorganics), are you with me". This creates an us against them mentality and shifts away from actually trying to learn about a topic in a nuanced way. I think he knows what titles and thumbnails and topics will get the most views and a lot of people realised during the pandemic that if you play off people's fears you can get a shitload of views. Even if you buy that he's a great spiritual teacher, which I don't personally, then that doesn't translate that he would about complex political situations. Its kinda like the Chappelle joke "what does Ja Rule think about this??". There are some yellow political podcasts and content that could give a much better analysis.

If you ever want to chat about it just drop me a message, im studying to be a financial advisor, have a business etc. I know its tough in London, i grew up there and still live near, its like everyones just there to grind and make money esp coming from over seas

I understand why you might think this, but i dont think its a case of Leo just not accepting views. If we look at Nahm as a teacher who, at least previously, holds some authority by being appointed a mod by Leo, it is very important that he meets people where they are at, which i think he rarely did imo. This forum has many vulnerable people on it and just having the inflexible 'you are not your thoughts' reply to every question, has the potential to be quite damaging. I had a couple discussions with Nahm myself and i left it very confused, either he just wasnt making sense or it was just way over my head. As i remember it was a discussion about LOA, in which i was skeptical about manifesting and he left several replies but i just couldnt understand it. Now i think its really on the teacher to teach in a way that could be understood and if we say Nahm is just incredibly enlightened, which could be the case, he has not found a way to communicate to people in a way that resonates, not on a wide scale anyway. So i think he should still make his content and those that want to consume it resonates with i think thats cool, but in terms of being on a large platform and being able to influence people as well as charge for his time, i dont think it works unfortunately.