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What i mean by this is obviously a lot of in-field pick up has essentially been cancelled from youtube and just generally has a seedy reputation in the mainstream, which in some cases is of course deserved but it also demonises what can be a positive experience for everyone involved. So i came across the channel below which i thought was very interesting how its framed, its not about just getting lays or closes or whatever its about pushing your boundaries and potentially adding a positive experience to someones day and it would probably play well in the mainstream despite the fact it is just pick-up, anyway check it out and add your thoughts -

I agree of course, im just saying in terms of it being accepted into the mainstream or to normalise pick up this would have to be the route as whats happened in the past has given pick up a bad name

@Someone here I think your mind maybe looking for rationalisations to keep you in that comfort zone. I know what youre saying in that it can be a lot less hassle just to go to a website and jack it to horny looking girls, but I also think you completely miss out on life, esp such an interesting part. Even if you just use it as motivator to improve yourself which will also make you more attractive to women, I think this can also be a very useful thing. Also you can have whatever relationships you want, they can be casual all the way up to potential marriage there's no rules in that sense. I can tell you real sex with someone you care about is 100x better than any porn you can find, but whether you get it or not the journey I worth while. I actually stopped watching porn a couple months ago, although I still sort myself out every now and then but without it, but you can definitely notice a difference because you're taking away that safety net of, I've always got porn.

You may have had more motivation to work on that if you didn't have all these naked women at your fingertips though. Like if you were a hunter but you could get fake meat which was good enough and you didn't need to hunt, you wouldn't have much incentive to hone your skills and become a good hunter

@KH2 Its $50 a month though not just a one off. The overall point im making though is that hes presenting a certain lifestyle to sell the course, the implication being that if you buy my course you can live this lifestyle, this is just not the case, he himself didnt make the money he made doing what he teaches, hes even got a section where hes teaching crypto, if you had got the course at the start of the year and invested into crypto because of it you wouldve lost half your money. Tate as has been said, has made his money through camgirls and casinos and this course itself, its a hustle because hes selling the lifestyle to you but its a bait and switch hes not actually teaching you what he did because the hard reality is not everyone can do what he did, but everyone can have a go doing dropshipping. So using your mcdonalds analogy its like mcdonalds advertising a massive $100 tomahawk steak for $5 in their adverts but then when you go in and buy it, its just some floppy, anemic looking burger, whilst the owner is eating the tomahawk funded by all the people who bought the $5 burger. You might make yourself feel better by saying 'ah well it was only $5' but obviously theres more going on than that.

The argument from me anyway, is not that its necessarily a scam, its more that the information just isnt really the best and there is a lot better info available for free on youtube or very cheap somewhere like udemy. HU is being sold with a backdrop of bugattis and yachts and what not this is no different to how mlms market but also how a lot of shady get rich quick people sell their courses. I dont really dislike Tate but you can even take him out of the equation and my view on it would still be the same for any course like this that is sold in this way. If someone came to me for advice as an amazon seller I definitely wouldnt advise them to get HU but there are some decent courses out there that could help you.

That is key with any teacher

I agree in that the message of stop making excuses and go get it is crucial and can change some peoples lives, Tate has identified this problem in young men, the issue is the overall rhetoric that comes with this message and is not so easy to separate if youre a follower of him. His end goal solution for his followers is to accumulate wealth and materialistic things and be a top alpha guy, I get why this is appealing but most guys that now follower didnt even think about getting these material things, he has sold this idea to them to the point that they will now make their life purpose bout getting these things. He is saying that he will help you get out of the matrix but attachment to material things is precisely what keeps you in the matrix, he has probably done more to get people into the capitalist, material world then any bmw advert or any consumer website could because hes convinced people that this should be their life purpose. Also whats worse is that i actually believe he knows better, if you read his book there are some highly developed ideas and thoughts in there so he should be aware of the trap but still he markets himself in this way, with cars, women etc. I get why he does that as it brings more eyeballs but i dont think his followers see this. So overall the question is, is he providing the best solution for men, i would argue not really

You really have to be careful with this type of teacher bro, how he comes across to me is someone who thinks he has all the answers and has more knowledge than anyone else, Im not overly familiar with his content but i have watched a few of his videos in the past and seen him post on here and this is the impression that i get. Now really look into yourself and consider that what attracts you to this type of teacher is a longing for certainty, people like Trump, Reeves, potentially Tate, offer very clear cut 'truth' and are very certain about it, this is extremely attractive and it reinforces itself because it lets you live in that truth as well as have excellent arguments for why this is true if anyone questions you. They may say things like 'snowflakes try and shut down what we want to say because they dont want freedom', there is a highly nuanced discussion to be had about what is freedom and its probably something you would consider but the idea behind this kind of statement is to shutdown that internal dialogue you might have and just accept what they are saying so you can align to them. Regarding Reeves in particular, if you look at Wilburs grow up, clean up, wake up, show up idea, Reeves may have done stuff to wake up and show up but he may also have not really grown up or cleaned up. Meaning that he may have some core issues that have not been dealt with or he just may not have the maturity that comes from experience and age, generally this can become an issue for younger teachers as there is most likely a lot of karma they havent yet burnt through. So sometimes what people do and probably what i myself have done in the past, is try to bypass the clean up and grow up stage, get some traction waking up as in having really profound, meditative experiences, then believing that you have somehow cracked the code and are enlightened and if only everyone followed you they would be too. What you dont realise is that the only reason you feel like that is because you havent actually done your clean up phase, youre just elated that you think youve found a shortcut. Then what tends to happen is these issues pop up in different areas, it might be that you are narcissistic and you havent dealt with that but now because you see yourself as enlightened, the problem is everyone else it cant be your as you get it and no one else does. This can go down a very dark and lonely path. All the teachers I respect just dont seem to have that kind of hyper doing energy, people like Spira, Mooji, Tolle and of course i may be wrong about them but just the sense i get, I think with them it is because theyve truly worked on all those things Wilbur mentioned and are now legitimately in the show up phase where they just add value and are not really concerned with egotistic pursuits. Its not that egotistic pursuits are bad per se its just you have to recognise them for what they are, these Reeves type people lack wisdom in the sense that they dont recognise that they are still in this ego phase its just theyre using the higher phases to boost their ego. Its like if I'm in an ego phase and i want to compete with you to be better than you, if im intelligent and i hear about all these higher teachings I just need to understand them somewhat and then i can convince at least myself that im better than you because you dont even know what they are, this doesnt mean that Ive fully internalised them. Of course this type of teacher is exciting because they simplify things but this is only because they are not actually fully developed so of course its more simple, the reality is a lot of development is pretty long and boring and actually not at all rewarding for your ego.

A lot of Leo's followers were big into trump as well

Someone like Barrack Obama is a good example of a successful man and guys may take inspiration from him but he doesnt speak directly to young men especially not the ones who would listen to Tate. He doesnt teach you how to be masculine he is more an example of it. But in general the issue is that mainstream and society doesnt really know how to deal with and promote healthy masculinity at the moment, its not that role models dont exist. Its almost like society is saying we dont need men but men do need to purpose otherwise they can become dangerous, so we are in a state of flux

So in terms of the HU, from what i understand i wouldnt say its an out and out scam, it basically seems like a course on different ways you can make money, I would say there are much better courses for a lot less money but that doesnt make it a scam. What people are pointing to is the affiliate part of it where you get paid for promoting HU to others, again if we go with this just being a course its quite common that there would be affiliates, this is not unusual at all. Also I would say there are a lot worse 'marketing gurus' in the space, you just have to browse coffeezillas channel to find them, a lot of these are out and out scams, nft/crypto pump and dumps, claims that dropshipping is going to make you rich etc where the only people getting rich are the ones offering these promises. Tate getting banned i dont think has anything to do with HU by itself, if he wasnt the face of it, it wouldnt be banned point blank. The issue is more his views specifically on women. Now heres the thing, Tate has in my opinion exaggerated these views and presented them in a way where if you dont agree you will be offended, hes done this to create traction and controversy and to boost up his name and sell more courses. If we go with this being an exaggeration then hes effectively selling something thats not even real (his persona) to vulnerable young men who are aspiring to be him (if you look at sneako now thats a good example), so this in itself is a Hustle theres no way around that. Also if he is willing to reap the rewards of his persona he should accept that there will also be backlash as he himself is aiming to court this backlash. So i feel like he is trying to get it both ways. Also a wider point is that his rise shows the lack of strong masculine role models who do have integrity, if these existed i doubt he wouldve got anywhere close to the traction he has been getting. Im pretty sure most young men who have a father with integrity that they look up to, would not be taken by Tate. Having said all that I dont hate or even particularly dislike him but I think you could definitely make the argument that hes a net negative for society. There are plenty of good male youtubers who can motivate young men in more healthy ways, thats pretty much what people are commending Tate for. I think the very fact waving money and luxery in front of his followers faces completely lacks integrity and it is actually what you see with every get rich quick, mlm, pyramid scheme, all of them know that the people below them will never make that money but they dangle it to get money from them, it is pretty bad tbh.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0zN02uiYg9KUwYs4JY8Nwg?si=kWouqMPiSc6WRZdxWReDFA&utm_source=copy-link Slightly surprised but good to see I think

Direct experience is always best. But I'll take I guess at what you'll get, I think there will be various suggestions for how to make money, all will be online, he won't go super in depth about each but will give you the basic framework for it. Interspersed will be motivational stuff about how to get out the matrix and how other traditional ways of making only are dumb. Might be a forum or some way to connect with other users. Of course the big one is his affiliate strategy where you promote him, set up YouTube channels etc and get a cut from the link. I will say he's very smart in how he's set it up. I always think though that there's such a wealth of information out there for free if you can drill down on something and take action, I'm just not sure how effective this is, but I'm open to be proven wrong.

This is actually gold, unless these a sorted out i feel like youre going to run into problems if you try and skip them

I get you but if you read those 2 books thy will probably change your outlook on personal finance completely and probably change your life.

Read millionaire next door and millionaire fast lane

Im going to breakdown why i believe bitcoin to be a pyramid scheme, I may be wrong or missing info on some points so please feel free to correct me or debate me if the need arises. Briefly, Bitcoin was intended to be a new form of currency to offer an alternative to the current fiat currencies used globally. The main advantage of bitcoin is that its anonymous and decentralised from governments and financial institutions using the blockchain technology. This means that money can be moved around the world and stored without it being used for investments by these financial institutions, which of course has been a problem in recent years. So why am i saying its a pyramid scheme? Obviously this tech sounds great, but here are the issues - Bitcoin is really only bought now on speculative basis, meaning people are buying it with the express purpose of selling it at a later date for a higher amount. Only 1.3% of bitcoin transactions are used to actually buy anything. Of course people will not want to buy anything if they know that they can make money from holding it, no one wants to tell the story of how they bought a pizza thats now worth $100 million. Currently Bitcoin is not a good currency for mass use, although its relatively easy to make transactions, the fluctuation of price puts people off. If i were to get paid in Bitcoin for example and the price halved, it would mean i would mean i basically did my months work for half the price, yeah i could hold onto it, but i got bills to pay. Essentially to be a widespread currency there has to be a fairly flat value, different currencies do change in value of course but nothing like crypto, in fact governments have to work hard to keep it quite flat so it can be used by the general public. So if people are only buying for speculation, the popularity is because of that, the currency argument is secondary and really an argument to get people to invest into it. If we look at the numbers of who holds bitcoin, we can see it take on a pyramid type shape, with the few who own the most at the top and everyone else at the bottom. The top 0.38% of wallets hold over $790 billion in bitcoin, this is spread between less than 150k wallets. On the flip side around 97% of wallets collectively own less than $50 billion and this is spread between around 40 million wallets. Now keep in mind the value is speculative and rises depending on what others coming in are willing to pay, the new people coming in are buying at a premium which raises the price further, meaning those at the top increase their value by huge amounts anytime someone invests at a premium, which is the basis of a pyramid scheme. Then we might look at who owns these huge amounts of bitcoin at the top, 3 wallets own nearly 3 % of all bitcoin at the very top, these are likely to be the people that created it or invested extremely early, most likely theyll have some connection with the creators if they arent themselves, the rest of the top 0.33% are said to be corporations and rich people that got in early. Corporations pour a lot of money into bitcoin for various reasons but the point is that the wealthiest are still at the top making money for nothing from the average person. So you might say, 'well this is just the structure of loads of investments, look at stocks, gold etc, you have to find someone else whos willing to buy it'. The difference is of course that there is intrinsic value behind stocks, there might be cash in the bank or the could be positive earnings which could mean you make dividends, the whole point is that companies 'produce' something that can grow the business and make income. Gold is a physical metal that is relatively scarce, it can be used in manufacturing, for jewellery etc, it doesnt make money but it has intrinsic value that can be worth something to someone. Bitcoin does not have intrinsic value, it cant make you money, you cant rent it out or use it for any production. Theres always a fiat currency comparison made, people will say 'bitcoin is just the same as normal currency all the stats youve given could also be attributed to fiat currency'. Of course this is true but the difference being, no one, especially not rich people, hold their cash in the hope that it would be worth more later. Fiat currency is simply a means to spend acquired value, its really just a temporary measure that is extremely liquid and is accepted worldwide. Comparing Bitcoin to this is really a false equivalency. Now the wider point here is that people are really looking for a work around of providing value and in some respects it makes sense because you could argue that a lot of peoples value is not being fairly rewarded, especially when you hear of ceos getting 100k x what their average worker gets. But there needs to be an understanding that you cant really work around this, either the value is there or its not and most likely if you have a middle man who youre selling your value to, they are going to make a lot more off of it than you. In fact those at the top are just giving you hope that you can make a lot of money, meanwhile profiting off of your investments. Also keep in mind, if you do make money, its most likely because some greater fool has given you theyre money hoping some other fool will give them their money.

When the bots come out to defend it, you know things are bad

To me it does sound like this is coming from a place fear, could be fear of failure or fear of not being happy but its definitely something. The thing with the system is you do have freedom to go and live outside of it, you can go buy a plot of land and live in the middle of nowhere. If you wanted to do that sincerely you would've just done it instead of posting stuff like this. Nothing is free and it never has been, people for 1000s of years have spent time gathering or hunting food, there has never in the history of man been any system that just does nothing. In fact we are probably as close to that as has ever been, with welfare and potentially ubi coming in and the only reason that's even remotely possible is because the system has been able to provide that. Of course not saying its perfect, many drawbacks including damaging the environment, but it still can be improved. Point is you just have a fear of entering the game and before you've even entered to know what it's like, you've demonised it. It's the equivalent of seeing a girl you like and not approaching and then rationalising by saying 'why do we even have to approach, women should just come up to me'. Just do something man.

That would actually be cool, I always find it can be a bit of a battle keeping them happy with that bit of distance at first they're cool with it but eventually it always comes up like 'we should be more serious etc'

How do you stop it stagnating and do you live together/ spend a lot of time together?

The energy behind this feels bitter and angry, sometimes that can be a good motivator especially if youve been depressed or something previously. However it can also lead to rash, rebellious decisions that dont work out long term or cause so much damage it takes a long time to recover. Your plan can very easily lead to burnout or breakdown. A lot of the times when everyone else is the problem for your negative feelings it could be something to do with you and if that is the case the same feelings will follow you everywhere you go. A move and a fresh start might not be a bad idea but you still have to work on yourself, thats the most important thing.

I've found this biggest problem with relationships, I feel like I always grow so much myself and almost regress in relationships. Even trying to keep it fresh is not easy, I'm currently debating whether to be in one or just do me

You need to question why you're dating, what is the intention behind it? In theory you should be dating people long term to find a life partner, as in if you can't see yourself with this person for the rest of your life after say 6 months or a year then you should question why you're with them exclusively. But also you could be dating just to burn through your karma, so let's say you're having casual relationships at some point you'll probably get bored of it and want something more serious. If you've got this urge for casual stuff and you're in a long term relationship, you'll always have that itch and want to get out. I mean you'd still get the itch regardless but at least you know you've made a conscious decision.