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I totally get what you're saying, as far as you're concerned there is only truth and falsehood, ie black and white thinking. Your model doesn't leave much room for nuance or grey areas. So this is a great example of closed thinking in that no matter what evidence is presented to you, you would not be able to rethink your position as you are locked into your 'truth'. As I said those who have worked on the vaccine are not as locked in as you as they will specifically highlight flaws and rates of efficacy, whereas your stand point is all or nothing. In terms of authoritianism this is another black and white mindset that you have. I'm sure you can accept the government has to have some authority in that it has to protect its citizens, if it doesn't do this people will not accept that government. An example is people have to take a test to be able to drive you could argue that this might be against your rights and you should be able to drive regardless but if you do you could put others at danger. Also you are free to buy land and live as you wish but you don't because you read all the benefits of you countries government, protection etc.

Would you consider that people do actually know the anti-vaxx arguments but have come to a different conclusion than you? The other point is that for you to raise awareness and try and change minds assumes that you are 100% correct in your perspective. Even the people that made the vaccines wouldn't say its 100% effective, as with any treatment they have to state the rate of side effects and efficacy. So these people who are experts in their field with many years of study would not even claim 100% certainty, however you do so much so that your actively trying to convince people of your position. I believe, and this is an assumption on my part, that you want to get validation for your beliefs, you see reality in a certain way and it irks you that others don't see it the same.

Dr Tians great, I think he teaches actual healthy masculinity which is why he won't be very popular at least for now

So are you posting stuff as a protest or are you trying to change minds here or what's the purpose?

Gym might be a good start, you can meet people as well working out can help you mentally and give you a good routine. Even better might be sports or hobby clubs depending on what your into.

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the red pill per se, it's a lens and a perspective of which to view the world through, some insights might help you, some might set you back. Where the issue comes in (this isn't limited to the red pill) is when people treat it like a religion and that its the only truth and only perspective. The name implies that this is the case.

I always find it weird that people keep going on about this, you didn't want to take the vaccine, no one forced you, you can travel and pretty much do anything now, so why keep beating this drum?

The video is entertaining but not a valid critique, to say Leo has death cult is actually comical and I'm someone who has criticised Leo in some posts. It's funny because people have always criticised mainstream media for manipulating and creating narratives, but when normal people get to present information they can be so much worse. My criticisms would be an over emphasis on the need for psychedelics and the 'I'm the most enlightened one' kinda vibe. I could also make the argument that most of his audience just need foundational advice rather than focusing on becoming enlightened. That's not necessarily his fault how people consume his content but something he should be aware of. I think there is a reason people like Tolle and Spira don't go as deep as Leo and that's because they are probably of where their audience is and they meet them there. I do respect Leo for just putting out as advanced content as he can, there is definitely something to be said for that. Another issue that has come up recently with Tate as well, is that people, for the most part, are not able to just take information from teachers and leave the rest, I've found it's really all or nothing for a lot of people. You could make the argument that this is not the fault of the creator as long as they're not actively courting this undying loyalty. I would say Leo doesn't court it but it still happens, but people like Tate and Trump do actively court it, it's also interesting that Tate and Trump both got into reality tv and celebrity media before they really got their fans.

I'll give some context but want to keep this relatively short. So basically I was dating this girl at least semi-seriously, I was trying to maintain my freedom so I never really wanted to move in or anything like that, but I definitely enjoyed the benefits of the relationship, companionship, sex, having someone care about you etc. I like to think I offered her a lot as well, although I did have a block of letting her in fully, just because I've always liked the idea of keeping my freedom. I was open about this with her though. Anyway we broke up because i just felt we were arguing a lot and certain things didnt seem compatible, didn't speak for like 6 months, but she did get back in touch and wanted have a casual friends with benefits type situation, I told her I was concerned she might get hurt, she told me she was conscious of what she was doing, so I went ahead with it. Now I have other options popping up so I could sleep and date other women and in theory it would be all above board. Previously I actually wanted to set my life up like this, but what I keep thinking is to get to a certain stage with a woman they do kind of love you and as such you have the ability to hurt them even if it is all above board. Also I don't feel some crazy motivation to fuck as many women as possible, if a situation came up and we were vibing, I definitely would but it's not a big motivation in my life presently. I was also kind of into red pill before, although I didn't go too deep I liked the idea of becoming a man of value and having a rotation etc. So am I being a bit of a bitch by not taking up these offers at least for now? Or should I just put it on the back burner and work on myself? Or whatever other idea makes sense

Your whole reply resonates with me a lot, and me ego definitely isnt thanking you for it Im not sure ive had someone who shocks me to my core as you say, they never feel 100% compatible, but im not sure if thats because i havent been open to it and been defensive of my freedom or because i just wasnt who i wanted to be or they just genuinely werent compatible. Whats difficult is that i feel that they love me and i do love them but just something wasnt completely right. If im being honsest i did like the idea of being with someone and putting my effort into that but it always felt a bit of a paradox as i wanted my freedom and i didnt like the idea of restricting myself and having to report back to someone all the time. Yeah this rings true as well, because the women ive stayed with longer and keep contact with do let me do whatever i want and i do fall in the trap of basically having them as girlfriends even if im always above board and say that we have an open thing or a casual thing. The reality is I do like the feeling of someone caring for me, what puts me off is the conditions that care comes with sometimes. Do you think its even a realistic option to have a few girls that you see and care about or is this just an ego game?

To be fair i have a couple long term relationships but i didnt see them as Id be with them forever, just had too much work to do on myself. Would you settle down at some point or just keep shagging indefinitely? That is very true, the mating strategies of men and women are very different and are often in conflict as in one side has to compromise somewhat to the other side. I checked out Adam Lyons a little bit, what ive heard so far is quite interesting and he does seem to have integrity in terms of telling his partners exactly whats happening, might be a road to go down. Yeah there has to be some sacrifice in a relationship i dont think theres a way around it, or maybe acceptance is the better word. I would actually say personal development is more important for me, Im not really into chasing women just because I dont think its worth the sacrifice, but as you do work on yourself and become a better person its inevitable you will attract more women. Definitely not rich lol but things are ok still a lot of work to do! The children thing or settling down is probably the best reason to forfeit the single life, because then it becomes more about others than yourself, which is an important step in development, not sure im quite there but its probably moving in that direction. I guess what im wrestling with is that i may not have as much opportunity to have experiences with different women if i were to settle down, but then when you do the single thing it can be somewhat manipulative even if youre actively trying not to be. Its almost as though the very nature of playing the game does create winners and losers

Keep in mind this is what he's sharing publically himself and it's still pretty bad, the ins and outs could be a lot worse. Also you do seem to be defending him by bringing up worse people or organisations. Im not even saying hes the worst person in the world, there are no doubt much worse, but overall just from what he says in the video and the description, he's definitely not someone I would recommend to young boys personally and that's more what I'm concerned with, having worked in the youth services industry personally and seeing first hand how impressionable young boys are. I think that is really the question to ask yourself in terms of whether Tate is a net good.

It's slightly different in terms of how you're describing women getting into the business. How you're describing it would probably be cool, meet a women who's open to it, help them with it, agree whatever cut you want. How Tate has spoken about doing it is meet a girl from Instagram or a dating app or wherever, get them to fall in love with you through manipulation, fly them to Romania and sell them on doing the sex work. Now the essential part of this is making them fall in love with you, this is really where the crime is because the woman is making a decision that she wouldn't have otherwise made, Tate is fully aware of this so it's not an accident. So what you should explore is how would you feel if your sister or a female friend or someone went down this path, would you say 'ah well she knew what she was doing' or would you have empathy for that situation. Furthermore, if he's then selling it to young boys that could also be a big problem. I understand your concerns with Leo, I have some of the same concerns but even if we say Leo is some evil cult leader it still doesn't excuse what Tate has done and his effect on people. Also the difference I've seen is that there are tons of threads criticising Leo on here, I've even posted a couple myself, none of which as far as I know have been taken down. Any criticism of Tate is usually shut down by Tate and his followers, some are even claiming that voice notes from him are computer generated, this to me shows a complete lack of accountability, which I think is even more dangerous and creates very deep echo chambers.

I'm not really about demonising anyone but I just want to push back on your perspective a little. I think your issue seems to be more hypocrisy on the forum ie people saying Tate is bad and not looking at the flaws of say Leo who you think is potentially worse than Tate. So your perspective being correct is based essentially who's worse Leo or Tate? Would your position change if Tate was found guilty? Keep in mind he has himself released a guide on how to traffic women, get them into the webcam business and keep them there by getting them to fall in love with him, whilst taking 70% of their money under false pretences and avoid paying tax. He also explicitly talks about how he takes advantage of lonely men and makes them fall in love with the cam girls to extract as much money from them as possible. These are all things that have come out of his mouth and that he's advised other people to do. Now regardless of Leo and any hypocrisy on the forum, would you say this is someone you would advise young, potentially vulnerable boys to follow or would you say that it could be quite damaging for them? Imagine he wasn't charismatic, would you still defend these actions?

Nothing material will really so making peace with that will bring you contentment

I think every teacher will say some things that will negatively impact people dependent on where they're at. I've started full posts about where I think Leo could affect people negatively, but I would say intention and integrity is the most important thing. You can afford every teacher a misstep here or there but when considering taking a teacher seriously it's really their why that you want to look at. Leo in my estimation, is trying to provide legit value and help people with knowledge and insights that he's accumulated. Does he also want to make money and get some status? Probably, but I don't think he would sell his integrity to do it. Is he always right, hell no. With Tate he obviously wants to make money and get status and potentially there's a part of him that might want to help people, but his actions from his own words don't indicate to me that he puts helping people above making money, in fact he's not at all above exploiting people to make money. For example he actually breaks down how to keep men hooked on the Web cam sites and get more money from them by emotionally manipulating them. To me these things show that his main drive is to make as much money and get as much status as possible, regardless of who gets hurt in the process. There is a need for more masculine role models in society i ageee. But the problem we have is that social media is so noisy its hard to get real masculine role models to shout above all the loud, flashy, click bait influencers. In reality a good role model should be comparatively boring, they shouldn't be saying things you want to hear but rather what you need to hear. If young boys are choosing their role models it's unlikely they're going to make sensible choices.

Hey man, I agree you can find something useful in all teachers, I think for me the problem with Tate is that he appeals a lot to young boys and a lot of them take on the teacher wholesale, so even if he says some stuff that can help them, because they're looking for direction in life they can also take on his views that could be harmful to their life, ie affect their relationships with women. For example (not conflating them) I'm sure Hitler said a lot things that could be useful in your life and motivate you and whatnot, but you'd probably agree his affect on people and his motivations for spreading his message are not healthy and would lead to a net negative left unchecked. So having seen the effect Tate has on young boys, personally I don't think it's healthy. From an individual perspective there are probably things you and I could take and make use of, whilst also disregarding the nonsense or the character. You get where I'm coming from?

Thanks for your input, yeah I think she probably wants a more committed situation. Thing is I do like her and the sex is great so I wouldn't be against it in theory, the issue from my side is I do like the freedom and I feel that with her and maybe a lot of women they get more attracted when you're just slightly out of reach, so it maybe that we settle down and she gets a bit bored or the relationship just gets boring. From her side we might not be compatible in that she's a bit of a perfectionist and I'm not so a lot of things I do naturally can cause arguments, however she has been on best behavior since we started talking again. I'm trying to be careful if it is just fwb but it is easy to slip into a more relationship type thing.

Was in Colombia early 2022 with my ex-gf who is colombian but i met her in the UK. Amazing experience and i would love to go there or somewhere by myself just to have that experience of going out on my own. I found the language difficult because when you travel in europe you can usually get by but in Colombia no one really speaks English so it was a real challenge. I like the idea of learning spanish in colombia or another spanish speaking country, are there any tips on this? ive never considered it but it gives you a bit of focus while your there rather than just being in holiday mode

What does she do all day, does she work? Do you have to work from home, could you not work out of a coffee shop or something? Generally it sounds like she needs some of her own stuff to focus on as all the focus seems to be on you which is probably not healthy from one side to another. Communication is always the way forward though

Why would they act differently in terms of capitalism just because its a vaccine? Theres no allegiance to a vaccine, russia is literally at war for much less than a vaccine, guaranteed if they could find something wrong with pfizer vaccine and promote their own, 100% they would do it. China are not getting paid from the vaccine but theyre still using it and paying for it, even though them doing that enriches a US company. It sounds like your trying to shoehorn your already established position into a reality that cant sustain it.

@trenton Nice, ill check it out. I was on lichess before and had around 1800 rating which was a lot more than my chess.com, what do you think is more accurate?

@Bobby_2021 Would you be ok for Tate to date your sister?

OK so specifically what i was talking about was working with kids that are vulnerable in youth services, which i did personally for about 4 years. When you work with them you realise that they are suceptible to outside 'bad' influences. In my case the young people were potentially vulnerable to join criminal gangs but we also specifically worked with young people that were vulnerable to terrorist organisations. Young people become more vulnerable if they have a bad home life or have mental health problems etc if young people that fall into this category are targeted by people trying to groom and radicalise them, this can result in devastating consequence, whereby the young person can go to deep and commit a real crime and possibly get imprisoned or hurt someone. What you need to understand is that these organisations are actively looking to do this, that is there sole reason for releasing information, its not a case of theyre just saying what they think and some people are taking it too seriously, the content is specifically designed to target vulnerable people who are likely to join whoever's movement. This is a very real thing that happens everyday. I asked you if you worked with young people in this capacity because if you did you would realise how serious this issue is. While it might be fun to philosophise on how we can maintain free speech and how everyones sovereign, the reality is real people and families get hurt by this everyday. If you went into the world and saw this i think it would be impossible to keep your position. Luckily you dont have any sufficient reach to affect anyone, but for your own understanding, realise that you just watching things on youtube and then thinking you have some solution compared to people who have spent years in the industry, specifically dealing with this issue is not even close to being comparable. The only reason why people are even responding to you is because of how ignorant your thinking is.