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Yeah now i dont really care they can say whatever they want even though i still dont think the numbers are in their favour, but my central point would still stand in that, they (anti vaxx people) think that there is a nefarious intent on behalf of the government. So that being said whatever is said by the government will be rejected, in fact I have a suspicion that if the government had taken an anti vaxx stance, conspiracy theorists wouldve been pro vaxx and got angry about the government keeping the cure from the people when many are dying. So the science is secondary or even irrelevant, primary is the perceived battle for 'freedom' against the government. Now being anti-government is not necessarily problematic in normal, but during a health crises it definitely can be and lives are on the line. That being said the government still has to communicate in a transparent and honest way and they have to consider those that are against them, in some ways they did fail with this. But either way if lives are on the line then of course they have to make decisions that could be restrictive to people, it is a very hard thing to balance. Also you have to appreciate the difficulty at talking with those that are primarily running on emotion. For example its hard to reason with a child that is wants to eat ice-cream for dinner, you can explain the science of how bad it is for him and how much better vegetables are but he is making the emotional decision that youre being unfair and any punishment or restriction will add even more injustice in the mind of the child. So you cant really win you have to just set boundaries and the child can either accept them or continually fight them but the boundary is the boundary. Any discussion is an attempt to manipulate into dropping that boundary, maybe he finds the one scientist that says ice-cream is healthy, maybe he pulls up a story about how someone ate too many vegetables and died, but either way he is not looking for the truth he is trying to manipulate you. He may even protest and have a tantrum, but all of this is just emotional and about getting what he wants. So its the same with anti-vaxx people im not sure what you could present them with that would get them to change their mind and so your only option is to keep the boundary but still have compassion for the fearful emotions.

I dont think it really matters tbh with the information they had it was way too much of a risk to suggest that people dont get vaxxed and just hope that it fades away, whereas the risk of actually taking the vax is so negligible its barely comparable. Even if lets say we find out the better option was to not vax and that it wouldnt make any difference in hindsight, why even take that risk, like if it has a chance to help why not do it? The only reason people really had was emotional in that there was a distrust of the medical establishment and the government but thats almost a separate issue to the actual facts.

Recently just watched most of the happiness video and there are a lot of things I can relate to Leo on. We're both around the same age and both INTPs, theres a lot of differences of course but in terms of the question its mainly relevant that we both like time to ourselves and having a freedom of routine. So im trying to figure out what would be better for me, being single or in a relationship. I notice Leo, you sometimes mention you have a girlfriend or that you date, so how does this align with your need for solitude? Personally Ive always found the idea of traditional relationships scary in that another persons needs are somewhat your responsibility and that you dont have that same flexibility of just doing whatever you want, even if thats just being by yourself for a few days without feeling guilty that you havent been in touch with your partner. On the flip, I do enjoy having someone there that cares about me and someone that you can share things with. Ive kind of always had relationships but tended to keep them at a little bit of a distance in terms of not wanting to live with them and wanting to have my own life outside of them. I dont really want to do the player type thing, Ive dabbled in it before and it is fun but its just not that meaningful and I feel that all the effort that gets put into it is not really worth a bang here and there. I've also grown and developed where i think i could be myself more in relationships, this is something i struggled with a bit previously where id sometimes feel like Id lose myself and just try and keep the other person happy. I always somewhat put the relationship not working on the partner because they were difficult but looking at it now they were doing their bes with someone who had one foot in, one foot out, wanted a relationship but then also wanted to be by themselves. So i came to the conclusion its really on me, the partner could of course be more or less compatible but generally its my issue either way. Anyway any advice would be greatly appreciated and obviously not just Leo can answer, anyone that can relate or give advice.

tbh i dont know of anyone with long term effects from the vaccine, potentially i could be biased and maybe dont remember them or maybe people dont share because of the stigma, but short term as in for a week or so after taking the vaccine I can remember quite a lot of people got sick, headaches etc but since that first week nothing else. In terms of long covid quite a few speaking with a friend who coaches youth football (soccer), he said he had it and also many of the teenagers he coached were affected by it, aside from that a lot more than ive heard have had problems with the vaccine. Also I was in hospital for something unrelated during the pandemic and speaking to the nurses a lot of them got covid and had long term effects the specific nurse I talked to knew around 10 or so colleagues and patients personally that had died, he himself got covid and was seriously ill for over a month. So thinking about from my personal experience its not even comparable.

Personally ive seen a lot more people with problems from long covid than problems with taking the vaccine

Im a regular gym goer but ive strained my neck meaning gym at the moment isnt as useful for me as i can only really do cardio. So ive been walking a lot more in nature, which is great and i enjoy it but ultimately without the gym equipment i wont really be able to build any muscle. So to answer your question it depends on what you want to do and what your aims are for exercise, if youre looking to just do cardio and get fit you dont really need a gym, whereas if youre looking to build muscle and do resistance training then you will absolutely need a gym. So no the gym will not be seen as a fad unless they find something better that can do what the gym does for you.

I agree with you on this and I would even go further. If you are in suffering I think pretty much everything you do is in some way an effort to alleviate this suffering, including something like trying to become enlightened or understand consciousness. You may convince yourself that you just want truth but it's no different than someone who is pain that wants to get rich, the only difference is the belief of what is needed to escape the pain. Most people seeking enlightenment or meta physical understanding, I believe, would drop the search if they were genuinely content and had worked out all their trauma. Which is why I think for you to even embark on the journey your first step should be working out the trauma, I can't get my head around people that say you shouldn't worry about this step or try and skip it.

Yeah fair, I havent delved into the suicide statistics but I guess what would be relevant is whether men are killing themselves at a greater rate that women now or has it always been the same ratio? It's currently 75% of suicides are male. The other issue in terms of girls doing better than boys would be more pronounced now because girls are encouraged to do well at school and in academia where they wouldn't have been before. In fact there are a lot of programs to get women into different fields that they may not have considered before. Of course none of this is bad per se but it does mean more competition for boys that older generations wouldn't have had, meaning that it's harder than it would've been before, which is great in terms of getting the best people but it will leave some men purposeless. Having said that, masculinity crisis is probably exaggerated and overblown, I'm just pointing out that there are some things that have changed in society which will make some men feel a bit lost if they dont adapt.

I wouldnt say its totally fake, it is true that boys are falling behind girls in school and of course there are higher suicide rates of men than women, men are more likely to be homeless, addicts etc. So there are definitely issues, I think most of them are due to society changing and men not wanting or not knowing how to change with it. It is difficult because there are so many factors conflicting, evolution, genetics, societal norms etc, before it was laid out pretty black and white whats expected of a man and a woman but now we're questioning if a 'man' is even a thing, what we have is freedom but we are all experiencing the anxiety of that freedom.

I wasnt necessarily equating feminism to red pill what im saying is that at the extremes of any ideology you tend to get victim narratives that blame another group for all the problems. For example at the extreme end of feminism is something like Female Dating Strategies - https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/ which isnt seeking to tear down the patriarchy in the name of equality they genuinely blame men for their issues in dating and see them as superior, this is the exact mirror image of the extreme red pill, that sub-reddit even has over 250k posters. You could also argue that this can be a pipline into extreme wokism and cancel culture, although I would agree that red pill is much more popular and probably a more potent pipeline to right wing ideologies but im just given an example of the other side. Up until recently red pill was not even close to the mainstream, it was probably closer to where the female equivalent is now, but probably due to high profile grifters like Tate and I would also argue the suppression of things like teaching pick up which, when done well and in a healthy way, could provide men with the tools needed to become better. I think what happened was the cancellation of RSD and similar companies (not saying they were perfect by any means) created a vacuum where the fresh and fits and Tates could clean up. This is where feminism can mis-step because they can see all content from a male perspective as bad but they dont realise that young males do need someone to look up to, so if guys do keep getting cancelled you will eventually get to a guy who completely doesnt give a fuck and will full in grift and tell young men what they want to hear and this is where we are with Tate. So for me this is a problem that needs to be worked out as in how do we provide good role models and purpose for young men in this new society? Because no doing so and being reactionary against all men that attempt to do so can be extremely detrimental for society.

@Emerald Interesting video, I dont think men in general blame women for the perceived masculinity crisis, but definitely a lot of red pill and anti-feminists do. Most if not all ideologies have an extreme element that usually plays up to the victim narrative and creates an enemy that is the reason theyve been held down as a people. You can obviously see this with the blackpill which is built upon this narrative but I'd also argue the extreme end of 3rd wave feminism tends to blame everything on the 'patriarchy', extreme Islam blames the west, extreme Christianity blames liberals etc etc. The victim narrative is very enticing because it absolves the individual from all responsibility and gives them a kind of quest to rid the world of the opposing side, not usually with violence but with ideas. But its all the same just different flavours for different identities.

Try Dr Tian on YouTube, not really red pill per se but I think he's got great advice for guys

I think the idea of being motivated by women, although it seems real, is not really the case as there is so much lying under the surface. Everyone gets primal urges to want to have sex but this could be at least somewhat quenched by paying a sex worker or even just masturbating. So I think really, getting a woman to like you and want to sleep with you offers validation in that you might not like yourself or might feel inferior but if you could get a woman to sleep especially an attractive one that other men want, it means that you are actually worthwhile. If you look at a lot of unhealthy pick up it is mainly based around apeing attractive alpha male traits ie having a fuck boy attitude, not giving the woman attention etc. All of this confirms that you are not good enough internally and you need a persona to attract women but the whole reason youre doing it is to be validated internally. So getting with women seems to be an easy fix for deeper problems, in the same way that a lot of people want to get rich because they sense they lack internally. If you get to the stage where you have genuinely taken care of all your needs you wont be motivated by women in the same way, not to say you will lose interest but they wont offer the same hope that you once put on them.

@mr_engineer In reference to the 2 definitions I gave it's literally copied and pasted from the dictionary, so it can be used both ways, many words can be used in different ways so it's not thevsane as maths.

@mr_engineer I think this just comes down to a definition issue and no one is really wrong here. If you look in the dictionary, the definition for respect has 2 meanings - 1. a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. "the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor" 2. due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others. "young people's lack of respect for their parents" What I gather what you're talking about is the first definition, in which case of course you don't have to have admiration for everyone automatically. But I'm sure you can agree on definition 2. In which you can have respect for another's rights without necessarily admiring or even liking them as a person. If you say I don't respect women that could mean you don't admire or like them for whatever reason, that would be generalising of course but you could still have a respect for their rights. If someone didn't have respect for another's basic rights no doubt that would leave the door open to not worrying about hurting them etc for example when a new group comes into a country they may not be given that basic level of respect and be treated terribly.

I think maybe taking out the human perspective with an example might help. Let's take dogs, you would have a respect for the life all dogs, it wouldnt be conditional as in you wouldn't say 'this dog is bad so I don't respect its life'. Even if it is bad you might learn of its history and realise that it's acting out because it had a hard life or it wasn't trained properly. Now that doesn't mean you 'like' every dog or want them around you, certain dogs are even dangerous so you might not go near them or you might need strong boundaries, but either way there's a basic respect for their life. When we move to other humans I think because they have more ability to affect us directly, we are more weary of them. Another human has the ability to cause terrible harm to you, we also see ourselves in others. So if someone has a trait that causes us not to respect that person, really we're demonising that trait, including within ourselves. So the stakes are higher as a human, but this is where transcendence comes in and if we can look at it from this perspective it would obvious that every life should be respected, again necessarily liked or admired but respected.

It's strange how when your health gets taken away from you, you suddenly appreciate good health in a way you would've never even comprehended before. Gratitude for what you actually have is so important

You could frame it as though you're either making a choice to respect all humans or you're selectively not giving respect to humans that you don't feel are worthy of your respect. If you respect all humans this is a choice you are making, so the person doesn't have to do anything. This is like love, if you love someone you just love them regardless of what they do. Now in both situations someone might be toxic or affect your peace or whatever and so you may choose to setup a boundary or even stop associating with them, but even within there can be respect. Respect for where they are and how they got there, as in if they are in pain you won't add to it or you won't be disrespectful of them. When you're talking about women, I guess this question must be coming to you because you don't respect some women or women have let you down etc. But still this is a choice you're making to respect all or not and I think as you grow giving respect freely will become natural. Unless you are talking about respecting women as in being a 'nice guy' or simping in which case this again is not really respect it's just you think by being nice you can get the woman to like you, real respect would you just being who you are.

I think the black pill provides a path of least resistance which in any circumstance most people will take an easier path. With pick-up its actually hard work depending on your starting point, there are some PUAs that overpromise even and when guys dont see results they either have anger toward the PUAs or hate themselves because they feel like nothing works and this is when the blackpill can almost seem like a life saver for them because it absolves them of all personal responsibility. It tells them its not their fault because women are shallow and they will never want them because their eye shape is almond or not almond or whatever. I wouldnt even say PUAs are the best to follow but i think, if it doesnt get too toxic it can at least be a starting point and be progress for the guy. As someone else said the whole PUA industry was decimated by #metoo and things like that. But i dont think its a bad thing because now if you do want to be on youtube helping men you actually have to bring healthy content and i think its great to see people like Dr Tian and Hamza or the younger guys who do actually provide healthy advice for men. Its not going to be as popular as things like the black pill because it requires that you do a lot of work but its definitely as step in the right direction.

This is your actual problem and what sub-consciously you want to change. You have the belief that if you can get a girl to sleep with you, you will no longer feel inferior but trust me this is not the case, might as well say if you win the lottery you will no longer feel inferior. This is something that really needs to be looked at and worked on, I would go to a therapist or try and do some shadow work. Once this starts improving, finding a girlfriend won't seem as impossible because you will no longer put your worth into whether some girl likes you or not.

It definitely seems quite shallow how you're explaining it, if there is a larger context you haven't actually touched on it, all of youve said is an exceptional man is one that can proclaim he's exceptional

@Nilsi I think you are interested mainly in the idea if exerting your will on the world. I do get this and it is an important factor in terms of a child becoming an adult and also becoming self actualized, it's essential in fact. I can also understand the holding it above all other things, if you once felt powerless, the idea of having your own individual power to do as you will can be captivating. This is really Tates target, he wants to seem like he is empowering those that feel powerless, he identified this need and capitalises on it. But that shouldn't blind someone to hold anyone who exerts their will on the world in high regard, there should be more discernment than that of course. You can respect Pablo escobars determination and ruthlessness but you can also see that what he did was not right and he left a long trail of victims. Being an exceptional man can not really include intentionally harming people to fulfil selfish desires. If you want a simple definition that being exceptional is just exerting your will on the world regardless of consequences then that is your definition, but it is a very shallow one. Side note I found this talk on Tate quite interesting

@Nilsi ok cool so your definition is any man that can exert his will on the world is exceptional. So in theory if they can't impose their will because they do something illegal and go to prison, by definition they wouldn't be exceptional right? Also what if someone's true will is to not enforce their will despite being capable of it, wouldnt that make them exceptional as well?

@Nilsi The arguments are nowhere to be found because your mind is not open to them and you seem to be avoiding the questions that push your ideas. The point everyone is making is very simple, we asked you what makes an exceptional man because you said an exceptional man should be allowed to assert their will on the world regardless of outcome. Your only criteria for an exceptional man is that they are able to assert they are such. This doesnt really describe an exceptional man because it would also include someone who was delusional, as in the criteria for a professional scientist can not just be that they assert it for example. So the question you don't want to answer is what actually makes an exceptional man in the real world? Yes if you assert it to yourself you can be exceptional in your own head but that will need lead you to be able to assert any will on the world. Please just answer plainly

@Nilsi Bro just get to the point, what makes an exceptional man? And none of this just me seeing it means I am, because if you were in prison and you said that shit youd definitely be an 'exceptional' man's bitch