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If you're the best at something that there's a high demand for, is hard to do and makes a lot of money then you will be put on a pedestal in society. Back in the day the hunters in tribes were probably put on a pedestal as well.
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Youre not 'hoping' that someone will also value whatever trinket youre given in exchange for work, thats the whole point of a centralised currency, its backed by the goverment and you are assured of its value. This is just a necessary mechanism for trade its not a pyramid scheme. The scams come in when something (crypto, tulips, dotcoms) of no agreed value or government backing, are pumped up to have value that they don't actually have and then those who own these valueless entities sell it to people who now believe its valuable. Crypto and nfts are a perfect example as they have no value as they aren't something physical so the value is in the speculation that they could be a currency but many factors prevent it from being a better alternative than centralised currency. In many cases those who start these altcoins know that it's not going to replace currency so they are outright scamming people. Money can't really be a scam because it's inflation is tracked and its not an investment its just a way for something to hold value for you so that you dont get scammed.
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Value is just what someone's willing to pay for something and fiat currency is just a way to use tokens to to measure value. Its used that we don't have to barter a 100 times swapping things until we get what we want. The only thing this token needs to be is trusted by everyone that uses it and something that itself remains relatively stable. The reason why there are central organisations in charge of it is because decentralisation can lead to scams, theft, unstable currency which we've seen all of with crypto. If you got scammed in the past with a ponzi scheme, with fiat you'd more than likely get your money back as banks will try and protect you, with crypto if you lose it, there's no one to run to. That being said there are of course pros and cons of both crypto and fiat, however crypto would need to have some features of a centralised currency such as protection.
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I wrote this 2 and half years ago in the height of bitcoin being valued at over 50k. I've eased up a bit on bitcoin, although I probably wouldn't invest in it I get why others do, however most other if not all other crypto is pretty much a scam in my opinion. Also if you had invested I bitcoin when I wrote the post you would've lost a little bit but most likely you would've sold at some point at a loss when it started dropping.
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No ones setting rules bro, even if I did it wouldnt matter as I have no authority. You don't have to listen to anyone, keep over thinking things, not caring if people feel uncomfortable, trying to get women to change the 1000s of years of evolution inbuilt in them, shaming women, whatever your strategies are go for it. Other people are just disagreeing with their own real life experience, I don't really get why you post here expecting people to agree with your takes. But basically everyone else is wrong or you're wrong, if its everyone else then obviously we're not on your level of understanding so there's no point in trying to convince us, if its you then there's some internal stuff you need to go off and really sort out, or not just keep thinking maybe one day the world will change to how you see it.
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Yeah this basically, in a way its sad because its such an obvious sticking point to others but theres literally noting you can say to make the horse drink. It's like you can see the whole defense mechanism in play.
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The video i presented was real life interactions, similar to how it would be if anyone approached women. The gym creep videos is done specifically to get views by women in which they basically set up guys to look at them and call them creeps for their followers, in real life this doesnt happen. Also these women would fall in the insane category you mentioned, no one takes them seriously specifically because they are not presenting real life. Ive been to the gym consistently for years and I rarely see people filming themselves in this way. I have seen guys filming girls without their consent though, although only once or twice, even then the girl didnt outright call the guy a creep she just avoided him. Its both, so if youre socially anxious, youre in your head and not thinking about the other person, the solution is to get out and become more social as a kind of exposure method. Part of being 'good' socially is taking how other people feel into account, thats the whole thing. Its not that people have to do this or that its your responsibility to make people feel comfrtable, this is only if you want to be good with people socially. You are free to make people feel uncomfortable or not take into account that something youre doing is making people feel uncomfortable, but people dont like feeling uncomfortable and if they do and you are the cause of that then obviously they wont want to be around you. Essentially you have to pick whether you want to not give a fuck about how people feel around you, in which case some will feel uncomfortable depending on how uncomfortable you make people feel. Or whether you want to connect with people socially and possibly romantically in which case you will have to foster a relationship where you both feel comfortable. Also it may not necessarily mean no one will like you if you dont care how they feel, but definitely romantically you would need a level of comfort, theres no way around it.
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Youd have to show me some kind of evidence of women pointing at guys that approach them and calling them creeps, otherwise i dont know what we're talking about or how to prove your feelings about this. Most women will not call a guy a creep directly they will use it or similar to describe a guy who was acting in an uncalibrated way and usually when it seemed they were just interested in the girl for sex. I hear it sometimes from girls ive been with and theyll show me messages of guys sending them messages or tell me stories about a guy that approached them. They dont say every guy is creepy or not every guy comes accross as creepy but there are some that are very inappropriate and still persist even though theyve been told that she isnt interested, which is very socially uncalibrated. Of course if you really push her boundaries they may call you a creep directly, but in my experience of seeing/hearing about it, most women try several reasonable ways of getting them to back off before they resort to something like that, the guy would really not know how to take a hint and would need to calibrate before approaching anyone. This is no different than say sales people, if someone was trying to sell you something on the street and wouldnt take no for an answer, there would be a point where you might get a little aggressive and tell them to back off. As I said its not really gender specific, in terms of communication the 2 people have to feel comfortable talking to each other, if one doesnt for whatever reason they definitely have a right to cut that conversation asap. It doesnt make you a criminal that you dont care about womens comfort level but obviously women will not want to communicate with you if you make them feel uncomfortable. Its like a sales person saying 'I dont care about the people i sell to's comfort-level around me'. Then when no one wants to buy whatever theyre selling, blaming it on the people. If the sales person wants to actually sell and making people uncomfortable is his problem, he needs to work on that himself. If hes like 'im not changing for anyone', hes absolutely free to do that but hes probably not going to sell anything.
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Do I support insane people wrongfully calling the police? No obviously if they're insane they probably need help. What I'm talking about is the majority, sane women who don't call the police as evidenced in the video. Feeling fear when you cold approach is natural as its out of most people's comfort zones and when we have fear we likely think of a worst case scenario, like the woman calling the police. However fear is a feeling and not necessarily real, as you've pointed out fear shouldn't rule you. So to challenge that fear it might be worth approaching to find out. If you don't want to do that I have presented 100s of guys, mostly socially uncalibrated who approached women and did not have this worst fear happen. What you're actually doing is making an argument for an irrational fear that I'd not actually based in real world evidence.
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This is a bad faith, ad hominom argument. Youre attempting to attack me rather than my argument. My argument is simple, but ill break it down for you, you made the claim that women are likely to call the police on men who they consider 'creepy' that approach them. I'm offering evidence to contrary which literally shows video proof of mostly socially, uncalibrated guys approaching women with no police being called and I'm asking if this changes your argument. You also suggested that you are someone who listens to facts and evidence over your feelings, however it doesn't look like you are taking the evidence I've presented into consideration, which sounds like a contradiction. Of course you are free to feel and believe whatever you want regardless of the evidence but it doesn't make it true.
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As I said women rarely call the police or escalate things in that way, its literally only if the guy is being dangerous, check the video I posted and all the videos on that channel 100s of approaches and not once were the police called. It seems like if you're not taking this mountain of literal evidence into account then you maybe have come to your conclusions on feelings rather than facts.
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They have a beta detector but they don't necessarily act threatened around 'betas'. In this instance betas basically means someone they're not attracted to, its more when a man beta or otherwise acts in a strange uncalibrated way that they then will react negatively. Women don't tend to act aggressively to the extremes you mentioned even in uncomfortable situations, I've known women to even give out their number or a fake number to deescalate the situation. There are some women who act offended when certain guys talk to them but these are usually insecure women. Generally rejections are never that bad, it's normally, I've got a boyfriend, I'm not interested etc. Unless the guy is overly persistent. Yeah this happens all the time, but the key is that the guy doesn't act toxic or dangerous before he emotionally ties her in. Essentially the man is scamming her, scams happen all the time, the woman really wants a certain type of guy, toxic guy acts like that, woman falls in love, toxic guy acts toxic. If you get scammed out of money by a business partner all you can do initially is use your best judgement, if the business partner is doing all the right things to gain your trust and then runs away with all the money there's not much you can do apart from have stronger boundaries next time, you might even go over the top with them. Exactly you develop a protocol for dealing with strange women, the same way women develop a protocol fir dealing with strange men. You as a man might not like that but it's not your safety in jeopardy. Same way it's not for people to tell men in colombia trying to stay safe that they should talk to more random women and communicate with them so they don't feel bad about being rejected. People are gonna do what they feel they need to do. You can't rely on facts because you may not and probably wont have any facts about a random person. If a strange guy goes up to a woman and is acting a bit weird and uncalibrated she doesn't have time to get his whole history and work out if her feelings are true, this is not how it works or even can work. Same way if a girl approaches you in colombia and you suspect she wants to drug and rob you, even she doesn't, you are much better off going with your feeling, because it only takes you being wrong once and you could be dead. I would also argue that unless you've approached or in general have talked to a lot of women, you are just going by a feeling that all women are going to shame or act negatively toward uncalibrated guys, but this is just a feeling and in this case you should gather real world experience and report back Here's an example of women reacting
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Being creepy is when you have some ulterior motive or at least you seem like you do, for lots of pushy sales people can give off a 'creepy vibe' because you feel like they are preying on you and trying to get you to buy something you don't want. For women this is heightened, mainly because the stakes are much higher, if they trust someone that they shouldn't trust they could get raped, abused, killed anything especially given the size and strength difference between most men and women. So it's understandable if they reject a few innocent but socially uncalibrated guys to be on the safe side. A good comparison is, in colombia there's a real problem of local women, meeting foreign (gringo) men, going back to their place, drugging and then robbing them. This is extra dangerous as sometimes the drug they put in their drink is too much and can cause an od and has killed men. Now in this circumstance it would make sense for men to be more aware of the signs of a woman that might do this, in which case the man might reject an innocent woman because she makes them feel uncomfortable or it 'feels' as though she has an ulterior motive. If you feel like this in this situation it's because there is a potential risk and so it's completely rational to listen to your feelings even if your feelings are wrong. You cant then put this on the gringo guys that they shouldn't listen to their feelings, I know I definitely would be listening to any negative feelings I got in those situations. Anyway here's some cringey pics up
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I think what happens is that males have a tendency to go overboard with logic, so sometimes you can fall into the trap of the logic actually preventin you from taking any action. For example, a guy could 'logically' work out what he understands to be a females nature just from youtube or others experience and then come to some kind of conclusion like 'women dont like it when youre nice to them so im not even going to bother talking to them unless they talk to me'. This may make sense within the constructed logic and so it gives them an excuse not to be social or talk to women. What we need to do is build up social understanding from our own experience ie getting out and talking to people. Really the issue is simple there is fear holding you back, work with that fear and go and socialise, learn as you go, build up confidence etc. If you think about it this is literally how you learn anything, like if you want to learn guitar the best way is to start playing it, if someone constantly talks about how to play guitar and the mechanics of it but theyve never picked up a guitar because of fear then you just wouldnt take that person seriously.
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Ultimately it will come down to the results men are getting from using these 'strategies' that people like fresh and fit promote. In my opinion they just don't work in terms of actually becoming a better person and building connections. This was proven when they asked a fresh and fit audience during a live show who has no women in their life and the whole audience of men said they didn't. There's some ideas that maybe had a bit of value but this iteration of the red pill has just been way overdone. Pearly things has been demonitised, fresh and fit have been as well, no one's taking Rollo seriously since he told 20 somethings to get a vasectomy. Hopefully guys will finish their redpill journeys and get into something that will actually help them, instead of getting grifted by these donuts.
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I actually think his takes are pretty good where they do look at both sides, he also looks the flaws in mens thinking as well, whereas repill is basically just attacking women for having higher standards. His levels of thinking isnt perfect but i think hes on the right track and is a good explanation for a wide audience. The issue is that whatever group someone belongs to feminist, redpill etc they are viewing his teachings through that lens, Ive put a vid below of a redpill reactor, reacting to his video and she literally can not see it outside of the 'modern women dumb' lens. Also a wider point on groups and ideologies, redpill is big at the moment but all these groups follow the same structure - - Group feels theyve been hard done by, by society - Cherry picks stats and history which presents a world view of oppression of their group (think redpills gynocentric society or feminists patriarchy) - Creates enemy that are mainly responsible for their oppression (redpill vs feminist) - Presents opposing side in worst possible light in an attempt to convert more people to their ideology - Claims they have the 'truth' (redpill, blackpill, truth pill, escape the matrix) There are probably more points im missing out but you get the idea. These points can all be attributed to any organised religion or ideology you can think of not just redpill or feminism. Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Protestants, conservatives, democrats etc etc.
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The difference is youre makng an assumption about them being harmful because they happen to be in your opinion pretty. If you knew them a little bit and found out they were harmful then it would make sense to protect yourself from that but, as you dont know them you are only making assumptions. Also you should consider that because you have a negative idea about them they could possibly be matching your energy. For example if someone in your country treated your rude and abruptly because youre a particular minority (as you do to pretty ladies), your reaction toward them would be negative, from that persons perspectives you would just be confirming their assumptions about people from your minority. This is what could be happening with you. Its impossible to say all pretty women act the same, especially as you havent had an open conversation with many if any of them. If a pretty woman was really nice and generous to you how would you feel?
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Its kind of a paradox, you do not feel fulfilled so you are looking for something to fulfil you, you actually dont care what that thing is because you would do anything to be fulfilled. If you could sit and play with your belly button and it fulfil you, you would have no problem doing that, so the feeling of fulfilment is what you want. Real fulfilment would be more about the doing the thing not necessarily the feelings that come from it. So for example if i want to help people with mental health issues which i do personally, then its not about how i feel whilst doing it or if i complete an arbitrary mission, the important thing is just helping the people. Like even if i feel horrible whilst doing it and afterwards its still worth it because i was willing to make that sacrifice for a greater goal. So get over the fact that you may never feel fulfilled, the idea of fulfilment is something in your imagination. Once you mourn this you can start looking at what do you actually want to do and maybe for now you dont want to do anything, thats fine as well, just listen for the call when and if it does come.
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You want them or at very least want them to be nice to you, but you feel that they dont want you or that they have any obligation to be nice to you. Think about it, if you had the same preconceived notions about any group of people your interactions would actually go the same, like if you thought all Chinese people were how you described (entitled etc) you would get the same confirmation bias. In fact it could be very possible that youve had terrible interactions with a particular group of people however you dont notice it because you may not have grouped them together. Youve grouped hot women together because they trigger you as you want their positive attention. Sounds like basically racism for hot women the way describe it and as you say people can get by with it but it usually affects them more than their particular targets of hate or dislike. So your dislike of hot women says something about you rather than the women, we can all accept that no group of people is uniformly "bad" or "evil", so it comes down to whether you want to explore where your bias comes from, look into your shadow etc or you just want to live with misplaced hate within you. Of course youre free to do as you wish, but this being a forum about growth would indicate on some level you want to push passed this
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Yeah of course, im just thinking of him in terms of a potential replacement for someone like Tate
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Apart from humans having sex for pleasure, lots of animals do that as well, some chimps have sex to calm down aggression for example. Aside from that there are gay animals as well. As @koops said its just a perspective that the purpose of humanity is to propagate itself through sex, it could be we evolve to not have sex for reproduction and just have test tube babies or AI takes over, either way being gay or having sex for pleasure wouldnt make any difference.
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I like him and think hes a good masculine role model, however I dont think many guys under 25 will engage with him just because he does get very technical in his content which i think is important but doesnt work in for tik tok generation
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Consept replied to Danioover9000's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
The youtube censorship issue for me breaks down like this - There is freedom to do whatever you want, within legal limits, but there is not the automatic right to a platform. You have no specific right to be put in front of a lot of people and for them to have to listen to you. Youtube gives more of a platform then there has ever been to the average person. If we had total freedom of speech for everyone in which there could be hate speech or just things that might be highly offensive, the platform would suffer as most people would turn away. This has been the case in several instances, check out the monster Island experiment. It's also impossible to have a platform where there is unlimited free speech from a business point of view, because yt in this case could be liable for the content that's released. Moreover many advertisers may not want their adverts associated with certain types of content. It's possible that you could have a non-corporate, non-profit platform but it would be difficult to provide running costs, which would be millions. Creators also wouldn't get paid direct from content. So the freedom has to be balanced with sustainability of the platform. There are other sites where anyone can say what they want or telegram groups or wherever, even reddit offers a lot more freedom in what you xan post, mainly because it can seperate users into different subs so youre mot exposed to anything you dont want to see, so the choice does exist. What people get annoyed about is not necessarily the freedom but moreso the large platform offered by youtube which can only exist because of moderation. So it's almost a paradoxical request to have absolute freedom and have a really large platform such as youtube. -
@Razard86 summed it up nicely but just to weigh in, it does come down to your expectations of the forum and that will determine how you use it. So if you expect that this forum will get you enlightened or get you whatever results youre after, you will end up highly disappointed, especially if you see the use of the forum as doing some kind of 'work'. Ultimately you can only see results from action in your real life, theres no way around that, blaming the forum is just pushing blame which also doesnt help you. The forum could be used to get advice from and then try out the advice irl or just to have debates and hear other sides of an argument or whatever you want to use it for but its not unhealthy in of itself its just how you use it or see its purpose. What might be a good use of it for op is to use it to hold yourself accountable for real life stuff.
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@Yimpa Definitely man, you know when i was 14 i had to do a presentation in front of my class at school. I choose to do it on hip-hop music as I really loved it at the time. I prepared for ages and thought about it constantly. I got up in front of the class and pretty much froze, I couldn't say anything, it was a horrible experience and I thought, this is just something I can't do, so I know what you mean in terms of having that wall. But the last few years of done the odd thing that's really pushed me and what I found is the more you do these things the more reference experience you have. So when something comes up you just think 'well I did that other thing so I know I can do this'. In the last few months of sang in a bar in front of a crowd, done this speaking thing and then also recorded an interview with them. Its genuinely amazing how you can switch your mindset just be testing your beliefs now I actually enjoy these things, they are still a test but I like the challenge. So for you I would say check the integrity of your walls and you'll be shocked at how weak they actually are