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Its not about the double standards, but cool, you dont think that i can feel anything outside a logical outrage. I honestly dont care about the double standards Im more disappointed in their behaviour. Its a visceral feeling, not 'wait a minute, im not allowed to do that'. But your unwillingness to accept i might actually feel something does speak to a lot of these problems

I think you reducing this a lot. For one they dont know if i have a big dick or not, theyre saying it more based off of a stereotype. This isnt about them wanting to sleep with me, its just a way for them to have fun, kind of at my expense, im not in on the joke. I and the rest of the guys are not strippers who have accepted these type of things happen, we're just normal guys. If you think about it setting up a group, sharing pictures and making jokes in front of the target is a bit more than just looking at someone that youre attracted to, remember this was going on for 6 months. I dont think its wrong to have boundaries especially in a somewhat professional situation

Interesting, I was more saying women have their own struggles with it as I didnt want to dismiss that but yea thinking about it, I havent really experienced a group of adult men, objectifying a woman to this extent. However what you do get is essentially predators that are infinitely more dangerous and are capable of doing something egregious but my guess is its usually done solo, theres not a group dynamic. No i strongly disagree with you here, this is not a semantic argument thing of 'oh what if the tables were turned' i would only say that to give perspective. I genuinely felt objectified, reason is because I felt they reduced me to a sexual organ and made jokes that i could hear but not fully understand. If i heard it from random people its one thing but i saw them regularly once or twice a week, they got to no me etc. I had a similar feeling when a step uncle of mine, whos white, said something along the lines of 'youre just gonna look like one of those black boys' because i wore a silver chain when i was 18. I took offence because its like I see you as a complete person but you reduce me to a stereotype with ease. Obviously with the womens behaviour i didnt feel in danger or anything and Im not afraid to speak out, which is something I know is not a privilege of women. But you even dismissing that i might actually feel something that isnt just a rebellious argument, goes to show that a lot of women dont consider mens feelings. Thats not to get at you but i think it is an issue generally.

@LastThursday Thanks do much for your input, honestly so helpful. Yeah I think this definitely happened to some extent, essentially the owner was living a bit of a double life with the group and this bled over to normal social situations. I do think some of the humour was pushing the boundaries as well. Exactly yeah because there's a few them and no one calling it out it's just completely normalised. However they know it's not really right otherwise they wouldn't use coded language around me. So accurate again, I think that's it she wanted to keep her role in the group, however she does realise the flaws in the people involved and points them out, so she's aware they're not the most mature and to her credit doesn't fully follow them, for example they drink and party and she's never drunk before at all. So I do have respect for that and that she can hold her own identity. I'm not sure why she told me I wasn't really pressing her to, maybe on a sub-conscious level she felt it was the right thing to do. However, she kinda presented as, look at the funny banter we have. But her reaction of wanting to tell them not to do it anymore is positive. I do feel that she hasn't taken full accountability for her part in it, but I will grant her a bit of time with that. I am slightly conflicted about it, some things she handled well and others I'm not sure about

Wow, this is actually an amazingly accurate summation of what happened. I honestly don't think there was malicious intent as you say, it's really immature and how you describe but obviously I wasn't supposed to know. The other thing is that they would say things in front of me where I felt I wasn't in on the joke and obviously it was about me, so this kinda annoyed a little bit anyway, so I know something was going on. I guess that's part of their fun of how close can we get to the edge. What do you think about the girl that I'm seeing that told me about it, she didn't really say in a way where it was like, this is fucked up. She was also reluctant to tell me. She obviously got caught up in it and tagged along, assuming they've been doing this since I got there which was about 6 months I've only been seeing her 1 month so she wouldn't have had any specific loyalty to me before. Also unprompted she's now going to talk to this owner. I'm looking at her slightly different because I don't think I would've gone along with something like this but at the same time I get how it happens

The owner and the one driving the jokes is a lesbien, she might have been doing it because thats her type of humour or she knows the other girls find me attractive, I don't know the reason for sure but it's obviously a bit weird from my pov

Would you have sex with a butch lesbien you weren't attracted to?

That actually sounds horrible, sorry to hear that bro. It is weird though how the reactions to similar incidents are polar opposites based on gender, if you're a man it's laughed off if you're a woman it's taken extremely seriously with potentially a legal element. Yeah there's not a danger element for men, which could make it more severe, at no point in this situation did I feel fear for my safety I only felt disrespected as you say. However I think the typical situation for women is one of disrespect and sexual objectification, it's only really an extreme situation where a man will actually use his physicality. It's less likely to happen in the workplace for example (although of course it can happen). I think my situation happens to women regularly where there's also not really a fear element. You know what there's this other dynamic of 'am I being a buzz kill?', I think I'm just setting up my boundaries but I get the feeling they would feel like that. Thing is I've been in situations where a guy has made similar sexual jokes at a girl in front of girls and I didn't like it then, if its a girl I'm seeing forget it, you can't say that shit in front of me. With this situation I think the girl I'm seeing did kinda encourage it or at least not see anything wrong with it, I can give her a bit of leeway because I wasn't seeing her for quite a while and we didn't interact that much, but I think she shouldve called it out when she got to know me at least. Now she's saying she'll talk to the owner but there is an underlying thing of 'you know people take things differently, I don't think they meant anything by it really, but I get you feel like that'. Which I appreciate her saying something but not sure how I feel about her feelings on it. The whole thing is just super immature, it's maybe something I would've done as a teenager, but the owner is like 40 something. The other guys don't know as far as I'm aware, their reaction might be the whole, 'lucky guy they're talking about you' type shit. But I dunno its just annoying cos I do try and be respectful of people so to get this disrespect does piss me off. Worst case I would tell her myself, I'm definitely not worried about doing that

I knew someone would say that lol you wouldn't feel like that if you were in the situation. It's not the talking about me sexually necessarily, it's more the fact of being treated one way but knowing that they have all these inside jokes about me, as well as probably sharing pictures etc it's a betrayal of trust and a reduction of you as a person to just basically your genitals

Don't know exactly what you mean by injections. But don't get too caught up on the race thing, i don't really think it's a fetishising thing esp considering the owner is a lesbien(i know confusing), I just brought it up cos optically it doesn't look great

Thanks man, I do want to say something to them but I don't want to implicate the girl I'm talking to, just got to think of the best way. It's the end of the season now though so won't see them regularly for a few months. I hear you bro, I don't mind the odd flirt but obviously there are certain boundaries that need to be kept esp in a work environment. Yeah I guess she shouldn't have told me, but it was obvious one because she was acting a bit shady when she mentioned the group chat but didn't say what they talked about. Also the owner makes comments that are kind of inside jokes, but she'll say it around me so I'm confused to exactly what they're talking about but I know it's at my expense. Basically I knew something was up even without the leak, I just didn't know the extent of it. Yes it is very strange that this behaviour was completely normalised and no one involved even thought, this is a bit fucked up. The same people if they heard they or one of their friends was talked about the same by a bunch of guys would straight away say it's wrong. Madness of crowds I guess

I dont necessarily want to avoid non-duality, I had a period where i was deep into it and listened to a lot of content and read a lot of books about it. Then i had a period where i was going through the motions of being interested in it and slightly worried that me losing interest in it means ive somehow lost the understanding and embodiment of it. Now Ive accepted all these phases and i feel like ive taken it on as my fundamental understanding of the world, but it doesnt mean i have to always be interested in it. Its kinda like if you accept the earth is a globe, youve seen it, youve researched it etc after a while you would lose interest in constantly learning about it as it becomes a fundamental truth for you. But yes i agree its important to develop all parts of you, which i do try and do. yeah patterns i guess im using luck as an interchangeable word there, but yes i believe it plays a massive factor in peoples development. Say with me if I had been born to a really religious family, I could still be in that paradigm now, or have taken longer to be able to think freely. I think theres a temptation to say 'oh im just so great and developed' but life circumstances which seem almost random are actually key to progress. Another thing for me was having OCD, this essentially forced me to investigate and see my thoughts for what they were, if i didnt have OCD that never wouldve happened. As horrible an experience as it was and it couldve even killed me, if i didnt go through it i would be completely different now. I agree i think thats real stuff, wherever you are now is where you are and its temporary. If you build an identity around being yellow or green or whatever, you will have this standard youre trying to live up to and feel like youve failed if you dont reach it at any given time. Much better to be whoever you are in this moment. Sometimes you might actually need to be red or green or orange, i think thats when the spiral wizard description of yellow comes into play, as someone at yellow can see the benefits and the limitations of each stage and use them accordingly

I do believe I'm majority stage yellow, however if someone said I wasnt I dont think it would bother me and its not something I would really say outside this forum, I'm only saying it now to see what conversation gets stoked up. I agree with @Carl-Richard op in that it is a lot about living, not just reading or knowing all the talking points. Where I saw a lot of progress personally was where addressed past traumas, childhood stuff etc but then also made conscious efforts to connect with people wherever they were at. I also sought truth in everything, I regularly take wisdom from religious texts or learn directly from people that speak about them. I would never convert or anything but I believe there is so much wisdom in these texts and what you realise talking to a muslim or a christian is that theyre basically saying the same things, its just the mythos is different. I love living where i live in England because you can speak to such a wide variety of people, I think this is a major advantage in terms of developing, if a grew up in a place where everyone believed the same thing and were homogeneous, I dont think theres anyway I'd be at the same level of development. So i think theres a big element of luck involved in where you are developmentally, it could also be considered lucky to have some trauma in your life whereby you look for answers or you look for deeper meanings in things, whilst trying to heal yourself. Theres so many things i think that contribute to your development that are actually outside of your control. Also what I found is im not that interested in learning much more about non-duality for example, I just want to experience and live life whilst also contributing to society where i can.

I really like him his well, think ive read most of his books if not all. Respect his authenticity and its a shame being authentic isnt as promoted or amplified as much as saying what people want to hear. As far as I know he didnt really do that many interviews or have guests on in the first place so i get the feeling the new content would just be what hes doing now but longer and more in depth

It will be hard to get concrete proof so not sure he'll actually get convicted but for cps to charge him they must have something. I think the chances thar he actually did something that crossed a legal boundary is very high, basically because there are so many stories, some of which he himself has told with extremely questionable behaviour, such as exposing himself to women. Most of the time he'd get away with stuff like that because of his celebrity and the fact a lot of women did like his energy and found him attractive. But take that away if you just had a normal guy running around doing the same shit he'd be arrested very quickly. It's not a stretch to say some women wouldn't have liked what Brand was doing. If you look at the video, he is playful and some could say he's got game, but imagine if the woman wasn't into it.

Well done bro, I agree truly accepting negative thoughts and emotions is a complete game changer, keep going 🙏🏽

It could just be an issue with boomers, if you think of the cultural and technical revolutions that have occured during their adult years its actually incredible, so there is a massive difference between them and say millennials or gen z in the way they think. This isnt to say its all of them but I think it would take a lot to keep evolving and understand the new generations. Also things like the way we talk and understand mental health, which was almost non-existent in their times. Of course this is always an issue in terms of older generation being able to relate to younger generations, but I think it just seems more pronounced now because of the changes in society, whereas the last few hundred years there have been changes, but if you look even from 1990 til now its only 35 years but the world is completely different, im not sure that rapid a change has ever been seen before.

The reporter shouldn't have come out this early and just recorded the group chat for as long as he could, he would've been sitting on a gold mine of insider info

Some guys but I really feel in that instance it's just using someone's body to masturbate. If I don't feel like they really want me that's off putting

@Breakingthewall yeah exactly, global issues, i was going to mention covid as well but i was just focusing on the immediate global issues. Either way this is nothing to do with inflation being directly caused by any president, it's more to do with how it's dealt with, I would argue Biden dealt with inflation really well. Trump blames inflation on the dems which is just not true

Inflation was due to the Ukraine war (energy reliance on Russia), covid and other global issues, every country was affected and it wouldnt have mattered who the president was, the US wouldve still felt the affects. What was positive is that these global were handled the best by the US out of every other western country, record breaking stock market highs, lowest inflation of all the other countries. So essentially the US was in the best place it could be. What Trump is good at is misleading his audience with effective messaging that leaves out important context. So he was able to convince the voters that the economy was terrible, it was only good with him (he inherited Obamas economy in his first term) and that he would save it and America, all of it is not true but sounds good and got him elected. The real threat to the US is him, Musk, project 25 etc, because his plan is to enrich himself and his friends at the expense of the everyday person. Ive noticed his supporters give him the benefit of the doubt no matter what and assume that he is just a radical and is using different tactics to shake up things, nope. Bringing in things like tariffs and creating a completely unnecessary trade war is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen a leader do and its not 3d chess. I thought this is interesting and relevant, its called basic law and assumes humans fall into 4 categories - 1. If Tom takes an action and suffers a loss while producing a gain to Dick, Tom's mark will fall in field H: Tom acted helplessly. 2. If Tom takes an action by which he makes a gain while yielding a gain also to Dick, Tom's mark will fall in area I: Tom acted intelligently. 3. If Tom takes an action by which he makes a gain causing Dick a loss, Tom's mark will fall in area B: Tom acted as a bandit. 4. A stupid person is a person who caused losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses. Really you want a leader to act like 2 because you want everyone to win, its not always possible on a large scale but at least the most amount of people. For sure Trump does not act this way, not only because of America 1st but because of how he treats the other side ie people that dont support him, he doesnt care about them. His supporters want him to act as 3 the bandit, which he does for the most part if he can get it right but a lot of the time he doesnt get it right which means he actually acts like 1 when being subservient to Putin, creating a loss for public perception of him as well as trust amongst allies while giving a huge benefit to Putin. If he was getting paid or some other benefit from Putin it would make him a bandit, but he would still be creating a loss for the whole of the world bar him and Russia, which obviously is not great. Theres also the argument that a lot of his actions fall in the stupid category, as I mentioned tariffs, most likely are not going to help either side and so creates negative outcomes for everyone. The 3d chess would be if he was deliberately trying to crash the economy maybe so he and his rich friends could buy it up. So to summarise, hes either incredibly stupid or incredibly devious, I dont see any other possibilities.

Being single >>>> being with the wrong person

Jason Wilson is one of the best representations of healthy masculinity that I've seen

Imo it's most likely he's working for Russia for some reason, because as you say if he was a Russian asset he'd pretty much be doing the same things he's doing now. However, I think another possibility could be he wants to look like a hero and sort out all these problems in the world and make America a great country, but he's just very dumb and doesn't understand how complicated these issues actually are. If you line that up with how he dealt with Zel, he got annoyed because he wanted to be the one stop this war as he promised but Zel was not playing ball and he knew what Putin needed to stop it. The tarifs line up with this as well because they are easy to implement and don't need to voted in or anything. He doesn't seem to understand them and could genuinely believe that he's taxing foreign countries and will make money from it. Same with Musk cutting every department. Trump wants to be a saviour. It could also be a mix of both so he could have done a deal aligning with Russia and believing that that would give him even more power. But tbh anything could be true at this point.

Wars are very expensive and in general western or advanced nations don't want to engage in them simply because of this. There has to be some kind of pay off and as you can even see with Ukraine there probably isnt going to be much for Russia. Trump starting a war with Europe, Mexico or Canada would be insane, not saying impossible. But surely even some republicans would be against it. At the very least 50% of the population would be passionately against it. He could still do it bit I think only the maga cult and loyalists would be behind him