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That definitely wasn't my only argument, that was an observation. I refuted the points that you raised and more in the earlier text. What you did there is called a strawman which is literally take something, in this case was just an observation and not at all the crux of my argument and then attacked that position saying its my only argument even though your only argument literally was 'everyone knows it'. If you look at what I wrote I even agreed with Murray on one point. I'm jist saying that he didn't actually provide any clear argument for me to even dispute. Back to the original question can you argue for the treatment by police for the 2011 riots being significantly different from these 2024 riots? If you can this would help prove the two tier system that you claim as its 2 very similar incidents with the only difference being the social group they belong to. Its OK to say you can't btw

I did watch your video but he doesnt actually mention grooming gangs, hes talking about knife crime in London committed by black youths as an explanation for a the higher rate in stop and search for black youths, which is 9x more than white youths. He says that police were more cautious to stop and search because it might appear racist because the stop and search rate is so high. The thing is this isnt evidence of a two tier system because white youths were stopped much less in the first place, you can make some argument about the rate of crime warranting the stops which could be true but it doesnt confirm black people getting favourable treatment, it just shows police and the community dont know how to handle it. Black youths still get longer sentences for equivalent crimes and treated generally different to their white counterparts in the justice system. At best its an example of the different challenges for different communities but youd have to outline the link to a two tier system that is alleged. Whats interesting is that the main determiners for violent crime are things like poverty and violence in the home, Glasgow actually had more knife crime than london and this was overwhelmingly amongst white youths a this is the population in Glasgow. Now theyve got knife crime down to basically 0 youth deaths. You might say how, they did it through a conscious effort of treating it as a public health issue essentially looking at the root causes of crime. They used tools like early prevention, education, providing training, changing legislation, all these things contributed to vastly changing the situation. If you notice the police officer only talked of stop and search, which is also a tool but in isolation doesnt get to the root of it. When you consider that in England funding for youth services has been cut by 74% in comparison to 13 years ago and then also in that time period deaths from knife crime have doubled, you start to see what the cause really is. Of course correlation doesnt equal causation however this is quite startling information. Many youth clubs and programs have shut down under the conservatives and it would be pretty safe to say they would have had an effect on youth violence for the positive. But yeah ill be happy to hear your evidence that disputes what ive said or disproves the treatment of the rioters in 2011 vs the 2024 rioters. Its funny how you guys tend to post videos from gb news and sky news Australia opinion pieces, both heavily right wing media outlets owned by right wing people. GB news is currently having legal problems because they cant classify most their shows as news because its not factual enough. Regarding the actual video you posted, he doesnt actually make any case for two-tier policing, he literally says everyone knows it, which is actually a nothing statement. I do agree with him where he says underlying causes should be addressed though. But if youre going with the stance that it does exist im happy to hear your argument that disputes the different treatment between the 2011 rioters and the 2024. Im using this as its the most direct comparison.

Ill give a different point of view than others. Its good you are noticing how youre feeling, but also this is a normal feeling in this situation, its a fearful response to the unknown. Now the question is do you want to be led by fear or led by love? If you notice, your fear is manifesting into justifications for not going. Your love recognises that you care for your friend and that it would be good to go, if only it wasnt for reasons. I respect the work youre doing but if this work means that you are now unable to even interact with people, then what is the point? There needs to be some bravery in confronting the past but ultimately if you can just be and relax in the situation you will most likely enjoy it. If this was your really good friend this will be a once in a lifetime moment to share with him, i think if you do go youll be surprised at how much you enjoy it. Also not going seems an effort to hold on to your 'spiritual identity' as we know identities dont really exist so its also a good practice to be challenging your identity. Good luck whatever you choose

@joeyi99 Hey man, first of all I really respect your bravery in terms of challenging yourself and putting yourself out there. You also seem very positive despite what you say has been a lack of results, it would be easy to fall down the black pill rabbit hole so im glad thats not an option for you. Also your pick up wasnt bad at all, I think id struggle to do cold approach like that, so even that is inspiring. But... theres a couple of things i have noticed which i think you need to work on. There is obviously something going on internally in terms of self-worth, I would question whether you actually want a girlfriend at this time or whether you think having a girlfriend will solve your internal issues. The idea being if someone else can love and validate me then i dont need to confront myself internally of not loving and validating myself. You need to accept fully who you are, at the moment it seems you are trying to change who you are to become someone who is 'acceptable'. These internal issues come out in your pick up, although youve got all the fundamentals covered and it looks good, there is a sub-communication of unworthiness. When you do improve the internal issues you will have a mindset of take it or leave it when interacting because you will realise your own value. An analogy is, if I'm a salesman who knows my product is shit, im going to try and convince you that its actually good but ultimately it will be an inauthentic interaction because im essentially trying to trick you, so i might have a flashy presentation, use all kind of buzzwords, anything i can do to get the sale. Whereas if im a salesman who knows im selling a valuable item, even if the people im selling to dont know the value, all im going to do is present it to them, im not going to try and convince them, all my work has been in developing the item, so my attitude would be more take it or leave it but this is what it is. So yeah, work on the internal issues, if you feel unworthy explore why that is, why dont you accept yourself, this is deep work and will take time, but youre young and have it so dont worry.

@Epikur Can you directly dispute the points in the video i posted? For example the claim by those putting forward the two-tier policing idea are saying that white right wing rioters are being treated differently, but when you do a direct comparison with the riots that happened in 2011 this is provably not the case, are you disputing that or are you deflecting to another subject?

Its not blaming the elite population, its blaming specific people who are provably able and do move the needle on topics like immigration through their power and influence. This isnt to blame them for immigration itself but there is justified blame for them stoking up these feelings in certain groups, you can see this in the rhetoric that the groups use as its identical to the media theyve consumed. This is how propaganda works. Its not the same as blaming the immigrant population because these are things that actually happened and that people like Rupert Murdoch are directly responsible for. A great example is the recent riots where a terrible thing happened but then riots occured because of the influence of certain people who claimed the killer was something he wasnt, that happened in real time. So i think youre making a false equivalency with your statement.

It's the oldest trick in the book to scapegoat immigrants, it's easy for the elite and politicians to do because if you're looking at the immigrants you're not looking at them. What I will say is true is that there is a xenophobic and racist sentiment that natives of a country will have but this is stoked by the elites because they know that sentiment exists. The elite own the media that the working class read. Rupert Murdoch has literally been known as a 'king maker' in the UK because he will choose which candidate to promote and they will usually win. So it's not an accident what his media publishes and why they publish it. Working class is 100% influenced by the elites

The elites want to be in power and not blamed for taking all the cookies. They are basically scape goating immigrants so that the working class blame them for their issues that are being caused by the elites. A few years ago everyone was blaming 'benefit scroungers' for claiming benefits, which basically poor people claiming benefits. If you look at Conservative media in the UK, it always has a scapegoat to blame issues of the working and middle classes on. In the cartoon its rupert murdoch who used to own the sun, the times and sky news in the uk and fox in the US amongst other media outlets. Most of the people complaining about immigrants consume this media, so he's basically convincing them of what their problem is meanwhile amassing wealth and power and no one's looking at the elites for not paying their fair share of tax, which they don't.

Which highly skilled jobs barely pay enough to live?

If you really think about it, legal migration is a much better deal for the country compared to a citizen born in the country. An immigrant doesn't use up any taxpayer money being educated or any health care as an infant or teenager. When they move to the country they work, either doing highly skilled jobs or minimum wage jobs that natives don't want to do. They pay their tax and are much less likely to claim benefits. Then when they retire 45% of them go back home. So overall it is a good deal for the country. I think most of the issues are immigration just done badly ie illegal immigrants

Being able to avoid cons and scams is essential to making and keeping money, I can teach you how to do this and make money, send $5k and ill teach you

Speaking from the UK, traditionally the media BBC, itv, sky news etc there are laws about impartiality with TV and radio broadcasts. So for example, political parties can't pay to advertise more than another on TV but each party is given equal screen time which is called a 'party political broadcast'. You'd rarely get an strong opinion on one party or another on a news program. This is still mostly the case but recently stations like gb news and talk TV came into the picture, where they give strong opinions on certain policies, I actually think these have contributed to some division, but their viewership isn't great. Newspapers traditionally have been very partisan though, I think there are different rules around these. You can usually tell what someone's political allegiance depending on what paper they read. But newspapers are not nearly as influential as they once were. Looking at American TV, it is so different, I can't imagine something like fox being that popular here.

Destiny breaks down the Jan 6th riots, all evidence based and chronological. Its actually crazy what happened and even crazier that Trump is running for president now. I dont think you can watch this and still believe Trump didnt try and overthrow the government

I know this is comedy but the key points are that most of the contributers to project 2025 worked with Trump and one is still his campaign manager. Trump has said its nothing to do with him but there are obvious links. What are the implications of him being involved? Is he genuinely trying to turn the US into a dictatorship?

It sounds like he only did a year because he was extradited to the Netherlands where the laws are slightly different. In the UK whatever you're sentenced to you do half usually, so if he got 4 years he would've only done 2 anyway. But the story of him being 19 and her 12 is pretty bad on his part. It probably was consensual but 12 is so young. The girl didn't even report him it just got alerted because he told her to get the morning after pill. I can see an argument for 'he's done his time let him live' but the issue is that you're competing in a public sport and its not going to sit well with people. So in theory he can do it but he should definitely be aware of the potential for backlash

@mr_engineer Do you see how your needyness for an answer repels an answer?

@Scholar You're asking a lot, im obviously not as invested as you are. But I'm curious on your stance, can you go through what that is and why you feel like that? I will try and get back to your questions

Be needy if you want lol no ones stopping you

Yeah not really interested in a debate bro, just thought you wanted to know what it was

I didn't say it was bad I said its not as attractive. I'm not sure it's logical so I can't explain sorry

Let me know how it works for you, genuinely

It is a beautiful paradox

In the dating and relationship context, if you are not good as you are ie happy being single and what's stopping you is needing something from someone ie a relationship, sex etc. Then you will be needy because you 'need' that thing to be ok. Then when going into potential relationships the stakes are higher for you because you're not OK by yourself. You may need a relationship or feel like you do but if you act in a needy way it will not be as attractive. The food example doesnt really fit the context.

I'm saying it's basically inherently grooming if you knew a child from when they were a kid and get with them when they're an adult. Potentially if you weren't in their life and met them when they were an adult that would be different. Still weird though. No i don't agree, I think disgust in incest is a way it manifests for us to avoid it or at least that's how we experience it. Some animals do this as well, lemurs for example use pheromones to choose who is the least related to them to mate with. Homosexuality is different in that we're taught to be disgusted by it so I feel that's more of a past social thing which as you say has even changed from 30 years ago. Incest has been around for a long time and I feel that if we were really driven to so it you'd see a lot more cases. I actually know a few cousins that are married so I'm not overly disgusted by it but also those relationships are more cultural and not based at least initially on love. It's dysfunctional in that it would be very unusual to go from a sibling relationship to a sexual relationship, this by definition wouldn't be 'normal' probably in all of history. Therefore it would indicate some kind of dysfunction, like if someone fucked goats I'd think it's dysfunctional because it's so far from the norm. No idea but could be possible It's actually a condition between long lost relatives where they fall in love later in life. Its something to do with the attraction as relatives being mistaken for sexual love. So for example if you never met you mum and then you meet her when you're 25 and she's 45 and you're both really attracted to each other it's kind of like malformed love you would've had for your mother. This does actually happen. I don't know what the punishment should be or even if there should be a punishment but I guess it would be similar to grooming cases without incest. I guess there would be more social pressure not to do it from your family. It's rare you'd see a healthy family engage in it, I mean I might be wrong but I've only ever seen unhealthy situations with this occurring. Age gap relationships I don't see a problem with in general. I think the issue is more if you knew them when they were young got them to like you and then conumated when they were older, I'm not really sure how you could police it but that for me would be immoral. If it was fine you'd have a strange situation of adults hanging around kids and basically being in relationships and then getting with them as soon as they cross the legal age, I think that behaviour would be very damaging for kids. Also another factor is whether the older person is in a position of power ie teacher, church leader etc What are your views on it you think consenting adults should be able have sex with family members?

Non-eu country migration increased because of how needed immigrants were and are. Nhs and many industries suffered from lack of workers. Labour isn't really pro-immigration look at their policy on it, they literally want to stop boats. Where do you get your news from btw? Do you live in England? People can protest anywhere as long as their not violent people won't get arrested. The reason why these guys were labelled nazi thugs is because they attacked mosques without any reason.