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Thanks! Id say yours is decent too because it sure guides a lot of our behaviors. I guess that’s kinda where the potential value lies in this contemplation, seeing how it connects to our lives

Meaning is something that is imposed on something for it to represent something else

Why sit for hours when you can just inhale some vapor and get BLASTED into infinity

I’m just being realistic

Awakening through pain:

Part of what spirituality is , is a mental construct that becomes part of your psyche and identity that you hold as a mental overlay on reality, contributing to the sense of distance between you and the external, and gives depth to the self.

Lowkey spot on

Well I speak from my own experience. I couldn’t overcome the cringe feeling (which is fear in social situations) if I didn’t actively put myself in different social situations. Both to directly face the fear, it’s when you face it you can overcome it. And also to give myself the possibility of not being cringe so my self image can change into a better one. So basically if you put yourself in social situations sometimes you might feel confident and not cringe spontaneously, it can happen, so that can change your self image into a more positive one

I guess you also have high self awareness. But maybe that’s implicitly being said here. Because anyone can’t really see their own structures that obviously and identity it’s traps Me personally I suffered a lot mentally in the past. And I saw how it all was my psyche. With time I managed to break it down significantly. So nowadays I’m calm unless something actually scary happens. But then I haven’t except maybe once without drug and a few times on drug, experienced the FULL openness that you speak of. So that’s a bit tricky for me It’s like you can break up the self/psyche significantly, but to go all the way with it is another thing. I might have gone to 90% , but almost never 100% (maybe it has happened without me noticing, like when you’re absorbed into something)

You just described my childhood. I was extrovert and attention seeking as a little child. Then I became shy as I gained more self awareness. And I would daydream so much about this ideal self that would impress people Part of what those daydreams mean is that you feel inhibited in your expression in real life, you don’t feel secure in yourself in real life. So you dream about this better version of yourself. What you wanna do is deal with your insecurities. So challenge yourself to socialize to challenge your fear of being cringe and with time you’ll feel more relaxed. Goal is to feel more confident and authentic Mindfulness and meditation etc can be good to learn to sit with your emotions, to learn to not escape into fantasy. To learn to sit with boredom. To learn to resist your urges. To calm down the mind and anxiety. So it’s a tool for those things. Understand that fantasizing is not the root problem but rather it’s an expression of something inside you that is not fulfilled in real life. So until you solve those things, it could be trauma too, you might use fantasy to soothe. Also there can be a kind of neurological basis, some people have more introvert brain, I do, and are more likely to be absorbed into thought

Is that like a practice you do? Focusing attention on something external? How do you stare without any idea, filter, distraction? Whats so special about you that you’re able to open yourself so seemingly easily, maybe you talked about it before but did you do hardcore spiritual practice that rewired you so now it’s easier to open, or do you think you just have a softer ego than others, why can’t others open? Or do they open but they don’t notice it, like everyone has moments of absorption, or no self but it’s not recognized? Or are people closed 24/7

The thing is, from my experience, I don’t know if it’s written about anywhere at all, is that the outside world gets its richness precisely from the sense of self. The self is deep and solid and creates the perception of a deep 3D external world, full of substance, like there’s thickness to the world, something behind it and not just the empty appearance. It might sound weird, but I noticed how all of this changed when my self thinned out. You really spoke to my soul when you described how some perceive external as dull and dead. Maybe I sound mentally ill but I’m so disengaged from the world it doesn’t absorb me at all. Only my mind has that ability I don’t think it’s necessary to go through this to see the truth though. I haven’t broken through myself fully but I’ve came a looong way

You dont need drugs to realize this lol

That’s great you’ve done that! The psyche has a lot of depth to understand and explore for sure I will def explore this when I get the chance. I have transcended 90% of my mental emotional suffering but not physical pain so that is def an area with development potential. I found this video on YouTube about it, this man had trigeminal neuralgia also called the suicide disease. He transcended the pain with mindfulness. Only sharing in case you would be interested:

That’s so cool. Funny that you mentioned me too I have always been fascinated by these different states of sleep For example I have had at least 50 episodes of sleep paralysis in my life and I’m still young I reached a point where I was no longer scared of them at all, so instead I explore them, and they sometimes turn into astral projection I have been visited by a presence during sleep paralysis who told me a deep spiritual truth, I’m convinced it wasn’t a hallucination I have felt massive vibrations and energies during it i don’t have a lot of experience of hypnagogic states but I’ve had some cool stuff happen like a clairvoyance event It all just fascinates me. I think there’s potential for exploration

Yea for most it’s difficult. Most don’t really know it’s a structure they just think they have regular thoughts and that’s all that there is to the mind, and their self feels physical (some might be aware of the mental aspect to it). In some cases when you feel unwell inside it could be sign of high self/internal awareness. It’s like how you speak about how there is so much fear in human psyche, not all people are aware of that, it might be masked by anger and judgement but at the root is fear . Some people need something loud inside, like a strong emotion to pay attention, meanwhile if you’re more self aware something more subtle is enough Btw I’m not judging anyone. Just an observation/intepretation

Many, if not most, people have minds that functions in such a way where a significant portion of their attention rests on the external. Attention somewhere means less attention elsewhere. The lack of attention inwards on the psyche contributes to the psyche remaining in tact and not dissolving. Unawareness, in-attention on the self contributes to keeping it alive. Because the internal is not being properly seen for what it is, is not able to be properly investigated, is not being properly faced, is not being penetrated by attention. It’s like attention/awareness when shining on the mind/self drives the dissolution of it. From my experience

Lmao ultra mega mystics

It seems to me with age people get more self secure, maybe the ego solidifies and also because the clock is ticking one is more likely to let go of petty reasons that would inhibit one entering a relationship

Yes ofc those exist. But I bet you that they, at least in the beginning stages, encountered a lot of frustration and resistance and restlessness within them. But the difference being that they persevered through that and didn’t let it stop them and eventually overcame it, meanwhile the average person would give in. Then maybe there are exceptions, genetic freaks who can instantly sit still without the frustration. That’s something to study

In non duality nothing matters. Like the radical non dualist Jim Newman said : Killing babies doesn’t matter. That’s non duality. And maybe it’s possibly to reach a state where you don’t care about your own or anyone else’s suffering. So it has nothing to do with truth, it’s all truth But you aren’t in that self less state where nothing matters to you. So living by that is you not being true to yourself. Because you do in fact feel like you exist and you do care about your own suffering. You could be selfish and only care about your own suffering, but that is a kind of double standard. The golden rule says treat others as you want to be treated. On the human level that is the ideal. We should strive to reduce unnecessary suffering, it’s one of the highest things to do. Because as long as your mind is within the human level you have to operate from that place and find a path that aligns with you. Otherwise you’re fooling yourself by trying to live by some non dual truth.

I have thought about this too, why do I find it frustrating to sit still for long? One thing that comes to mind is that I have impulses. And to resist those impulses seem to cause a certain friction in me that can feel frustrating. Like I’m going against my natural flow, meanwhile following the impulse is me going with my flow. It can be the most simple impulse, like the impulse to look around me at the enviroment rather than having my eyes closed. It can be the impulse to say something to someone, the impulse to move my fingers around. I think it’s very biological, those impulses seem biological . So us humans are made to be active. We have active minds that are made to get input from external enviroment, to get no input except your own breath and the black under your eyes feels off.

Everyone cannot be ultra mega super mystic…

The neti neti method

Sorry. I made a general joke i didn’t expect him to joke about me in particular