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Ok I can chime in too, because I feel the need to That @Zurew guy was really good, very intellectually skilled guy with valuable contributions, that’s not fair to ban him imo. I have supported Leo gura, but ofc I don’t agree with it all. Maybe somewhere I have sounded like I am contradicting myself but it can happen to anyone Yea I just wanted to say that in support of your response

@UnbornTao Where you dethroned voluntarily or Leo did it? I’m curious. The green username used to match the lizard picture, but now the black name matches the default picture, yeaa..

I agree that straight up "cult" accusations are disrespectful, not intentionally, but it is a misuse of the word. I can share, that I've had psychic and "woo woo" experiences that are so radical, that I barely find any information about them upon googling, and I suspect some of them wouldn't even be believed in new age communities. So I am not thrown off by bold radical statements, as I'm familiar with having experiences myself that are outside of mainstream spirituality and also this community. But still I don't know what goes on during your peak experiences, ofc. I got reminded of David Goggins. There's some people that judge him for being arrogant, and I think it is actually inhumane in a way to think that (just like what he does is inhumane haha). If there is anyone in the world who is justified in his way of viewing himself, it's him, he is one of those people. I thought to myself, it's almost like Leo Gura is "David goggins of the mind". As in, the most hardcore in their particular niche, so what I said applies to him in a way too, but not exactly the same because Leo is also about "deconstructing the ego" which Goggins isn't, but still. Another example is Freelee the Banana girl. She used to receive a lot of criticism in the vegan community, and yes it is justified in a way because she used to be disrespectful sometimes in her videos. But I always liked her somehow, and she has evolved over the years. I always felt "she is onto something". And she knows that, and I know that (from my own experiences over the years), and thats one reason why she is "arrogant". Claiming you're enlightened (aka permanent "no self", I'm calling it that for now to make this point) is one thing. It puts more pressure in a way, I would also think "how could you claim to be enlightened acting like that", if that was the case. But Leo doesn't do that, he doesn't claim to be enlightened in his everyday state. People who judge "ego", they don't realize that, they also have one, and just because your ego isn't "arrogant" doesn't mean it's more "open", or "less ego". Arrogance has many different levels to it. It's content of the ego, in similar way that "low self esteem" is content of the ego. A person with low self esteem, a confident person, and an arrogant person, they all could have equally as closed or open egos, because content of the ego (what type of identity) is different from the structure of it aka how "dense" it is etc. So one of them is not necessarily more "truthful" than the other. (Reminds me of content vs structure video but with my own twist lol, I don't remember if Leo mentioned the ego there) "Arrogance" doesn't automatically disqualify insight, if there is ego present in everyday state, "arrogance" is a natural response after having those experiences that are perceived to be of the highest sort. If there is fight outside your window, you'll be triggered to go and look, and you expect someone to be "causal" and "nuanced" or about peak experiences? Let alone what Leo is talking about. Next time you watch soccer, if you do, maybe try to not react at all, and observe this "agitation to express yourself when something seemingly profound happens" that is part of how the ego works, and maybe you'll get as gist of what I'm saying. Also I can say, I don't consume Leo Guras content (or any spiritual teacher for that matter, more than just some shorter clips or something). But when I was about 16 years old and I saw Leos channel for the first time, I was so captivated by the depth and the nuance of it, that I spent one summer inside and watched every single video (several hundreds) front to back that he had posted back then. Thats how much it resonated for me back then, so what I'm saying it not grounded on nothing. I have a suggestion, if there is anyone reading this who knows of a YouTube channel (or other media) that has produced content at that level of bandwidth, depth, and intellectual nuance like Acualized.org. Feel free to share, as I've not stumbled across one. I thought of these questions: Could you talk about rationality for 10+ hours? "Sameness vs difference" for 4+ hours? Or even "How to get laid" for 7 hours? How many people can do that? On that level for so long? What does it say about the mind of such a person? Maybe that reveals more than some "arrogant statements" here and there. : )

Isn’t there anything in her responses that could give you a clue about what she thinks about your texting?

Some even take insults like ego boost because they’re given attention 🫨 Yea some level of defensive ego is there, but still quite light hearted from my pov, so i have no critique, you guys can keep going and i can bring my popcorn. Mm anything can be meditative if inner state is right. Yea company where you feel connection vs no company is huge difference, simply feeling their presence near you puts you in different state than alone. I can relate to having periods with very little sleep, it’s insane how there are so many ways to gain energy beyond just physical sleep, doctors call it “mania”😁 I just started laughing a little now reading that, I’m kinda hesitating sometimes to go to certain places alone like a bar or something because it feels a bit “awkward”, and you’re describing putting yourself in prolonged near death scenarios, the contrast 😂

You say you weren’t introspective back then. I think if you develop introspection, it won’t be as powerful as someone who is naturally introspective + develops it. Because you have gone deep, to me it seems you must have had good natural introspection from the beginning, but maybe just in unconventional way (being so involved externally). It didn’t seem you followed norms much, and you did extreme things that people judge as insane, that to me suggests being internally driven in a way that’s quite independent. Basically, you can do outward things in inward way, and vice versa. Just some thoughts that came up tonight when reading Yea I have my own critiques of therapy too, doctors etc. There are problems in how the conventional therapy model works, but then the customers are also problem as you say. A deep therapist who actually can ask the right questions and hit someone deep, if the costumer isn’t receptive to that it’s useless. So society is like stuck in this loop regarding those things

"taking in Jan Esmann energy" ....Idk what's more "out there", that sentence or "statistical worldview"😂 It seems to me kundalini energy tries to penetrate the self, relating to the second sentence you wrote. Interesting point about it "starting from above", I've thought something along those lines before, because before I experienced this obvious rising of energy, I felt my brain/mind was always trying to connect to itself or something, and then when the energy surged up, it seemed as if it was what my brain/mind was subconsciously trying to "connect" to all that time (past 2 years or so). It is unclear tho what triggers the release of the energy, if it is above or below or maybe both. Im having insights as I'm writing this (realizing I might have misinterpreted my experience so I understand my descriptions sound odd), but let me see what you say maybe it helps because of this..... resonance or whatever😂 "intellectual masturbation is how I expend a lot of that energy". Writing in messy funny ways etc (the late night "raps" you mention) are also included in the intellectualization category for me, or not really but more so the verbal articulation fine tuning thing. It's also very much "energy expending" IME. All the verbal stuff etc has similarity in what's its doing internally, so for me it is obviously connected to this same fundamental overarching energetic process. That last part😂 Maybe Earthling Ed would be speechless there, he's great but thats something unheard of what you just said 😂 But I can relate

Yea and I think people lack that radical openness. Its one of the keys to it, just based on my conclusions on what made it possible for me to have my own awakening (many ways that word could be interpreted as you say...)

Thats very clear answer and I think I understand what you mean on an intellectual level as I've not had those. But what I see here on the forum is that there are all these other people who, from my POV, are just blatantly misinterpreting so much, thats the impression I get from reading here a lot. And I mean in particular people who seem to have kind of adapted your worldview (or what they think is your worldview but they may be misinterpreting) and then they're just viewing spirituality and judging spiritual teachers etc from that lense they've adopted. I've thought about this so many times but it seems endless discussions, and not many people are actually open to changing...

So peak experiences means youre awake?

When your mind is so thick you cant help but project it everywhere, even assigning it as a fundamental quality of reality 😩

@nothingvoid Just because he has "guy" in his name doesnt mean he is less awake than you "void", zero and nothing point to the same truth

Balkans vs Russia

Yea such a loser right, doing vipassana instead of watching people run around breaking their knees

I was referring to that, I included the mods when I said "people". Bare minimum following of rules and basic human respect and sticking to the main relevant topics here (spirituality etc) then you can have any intention you want behind it as a mod, this place is more than Leos work, but I am thankful for its existence and I think one should be that, but you can be that while still going "against" him eventually as the initial resonance that drew you here is overcome by some other disagreement hence "betrayal" or quitting or whatever, just an example. Contributing value but disagreeing strongly >> low value but agreeing (or thinking you agreee....)

I can elaborate on this further later if you want because I’m also overwhelmed recently so I can relate to what you said there about “why is my brain like this when I have to sleep” But basically I've gotten the impression you’re going through someeee kind of kundalini rising like I am. Maybe you have already thought this to yourself but I’m just saying in case it rings some bell there because you write more intellectual style a lot so idk if you have genuinely considered this You know how many times I've thought about this vegan thing recently💀 It just resonates so hard it's like I'm almost bothered by the fact I feel my body needs animal products. Ive been thinking about vegan men too (and yoga men) in particular (why am I sharing this) like "theres just something about them"😂 and thats just one example out of gazzilion things (paying attention to words in particular is major thing). Now enough editing

I felt urge to defend myself for one sec, had to catch myself there.

Digging my brain for a good one triggered a memory in me A girl back in high school once, I hadn’t talked to her so much before, she asked me “do you have anything that has been on your mind lately that you would wanna share?” I thought it was very inviting of her to ask that (we were in a group, I was shy back then and she was kinda leading the convo and doing most of the talking) It conveys curiosity, and it’s also a very open question so it gives them opportunity to chose to talk about something they’d like, while you get insight into their mind

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I get it, I’ll shut up @Carl-Richard I went back and now I saw the duck, when you said "copy the white" I thought you meant like "be silent" as in dont write anything 😂 thought it was funny had to mention it

Broccoli, banana

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hahahahhahahahahahahaahahhaahah 😂 unexpected

Says the one who wrote “statistical worldview” yeaaaaaaa (jk here, I pick up on spirituality beyond the words)

Sleep when you need to : D