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I think it’s best to contemplate that while in discomfort

I’m not fully getting you but I think you’re pointing to something deep and might be coming from a different place than I am. I find you can do psychological/spiritual work to undo significant amount of societal conditioning. Some things will be left like for example the use of language in your brain. But undoing those things don’t guarantee awakening. Maybe one could awaken but still have societal conditioning

I don’t even know if awareness is possible in a state of no perception . But honestly I don’t really care. Sounds hypocritical since I wrote this thread. But sometimes there’s not much thought put into it

I know, it just sounded like you misunderstood my joke Nevermind 😂

I know you’d not reply directly

How do you know that?

Fear is pointing towards something Suffering could potentially lessen ego. But for most I think it just lets it stay in the same neurosis

Why? Because it puts you through suffering ?

Very good reply. I am indeed stuck in this dream for maybe 100 years if I don’t awaken. But for now I don’t dislike it so it’s fine Ego is something that is always afraid of something, so I don’t know if it would be afraid of loss of all senses. If someone goes blind and feel fear , what is the fear about?🧐

Yea if you have injured something from running it’s hard to push through because we’re designed to avoid pain. But for people without that I’d say it’s mostly about how hard you push

Your point is that if you adopt a certain spiral paradigm and identity, that will color your trips and what you gain from them you will fit into your paradigm. So it’s limited experience?

Very cool! Feel free to share on the forum if you have interesting experiences . It’s fascinating how in everyday life my thoughts aren’t so vivid but then in dreams it can be vivid, like you say “brain perceiving its own eyes” My dream self can sometimes come closer to my irl self. Last night I dreamt that I told my sister and mom that “I am dreaming right now, because everything is so weird so I can tell it’s a dream”. It’s so weird.,,

Maybe you misunderstood me…

Yes. As soon as you have a self, everything else is defined as “not you”. So suddenly you have two Something’s, you and the rest. Now if this “rest” would be no perception, I don’t know how this duality would work. But I don’t care either. Just shared a thought . I’m more so fascinated by dreams and altered states themselves

But couldn’t certain drugs like 5 Meo awaken you to nothing? Because for me it felt like I got closer to it I can recognize it’s not a dream state though I don’t believe the mystical nothingness is same as the “nothingness “ in my dream, for sure, I just called it a KIND of nothingness

Phew now I can sleep at night

Damn why all my favorite users be leaving the forum Maybe it’s a sign for me 🤣

I think Goggins body breaks down because he pushes harder than most I don’t know enough to comment further but I still stand by my point that the pros just push harder- then the difference between the pros themselves might be genetic

I haven’t read much. I just have ideas of it. And some partial experience of it which gives rise to conceptual framework of it

I just think your desire to quit has to override your desire to do it. Or alternative route develop crazy presence/mindfulness ability to distance yourself from the craving so it doesn’t lead you but instead being observed. Third is that stopping is accessible in any moment, there is apparently a book that tells binge eaters to “just stop” as a method. It’s available anytime. It’s a form of use of willpower. And willpower is limited for the average person unless you’re exceptional. But it’s accessible always (after it gets exhausted it can be regenerated)

Torture could lead to ego surrender Try at your own risk

Thanks you too!

Reality can dream several dreams being connected to each other, I think

Ofc I don’t know what nothing is, maybe it’s unknowable! Thanks you too with whatever you do!!!

There could maybe be be spiritual value to it