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Cool work It’s pretty wise if desperation leads you to enlightenment work out of all things lol I have done a kind of self inquiry of observing the self a lotttt and it has aided in dissolution of layers to my ego but it hasn’t led me to full blown enlightenment experience unfortunately so I’m interested in drugs

How you did for a week straight doesn’t that require like super human discipline? What kind of mindfulness practice? I guess key here is fanatic desire to awaken . Which I lack

I was joking a little but I remember you in a thread once mentioning how you got mystical experience quite shortly after some meditation or something : I think in the thread “genetic freaks megathread”. That’s what made me think of it I don’t get your second paragraph but it’s okay you don’t have to take time to explain

I don’t know what u mean

Stop flexing you’re naturally mystic

Thanks Maybe we have different experiences of how our minds work. Upon observation: Most thought arise automatically But that doesn’t mean we don’t have responsibility and power to stop it. Thoughts can be hard to stop because there’s attachment involved. And that attachment is built from societal conditioning, biological and neurological wiring. For example if you have a hard time stopping imagining your past cringe moments, it’s because you are attached to having a nice self image. So you need to dissolve that attachment to stop those thoughts from reappearing. Which can be a more longer and complex process than simply a temporary stopping of some thoughts (which can be achieved by for example shifting focus) . You can create a thought. It’s just that most thought don’t appear like that. What it took was dissolving attachment. For example: Attachment to having a nice self image: Creates fear of being socially awkward, creates fear of looking ugly, of seeming dumb. Once dissolved: you no longer fear those things. And negative thoughts about it won’t arise. The process of dissolving attachment can be a complex one so it’s hard to boil down the method. But “going inward” as in observing your mind was crucial for me. What I wrote connects to the other parts of your reply that I didn’t include here I am not 100% firm in what I write. I see some flaws here and there. For example when i say most thoughts are automatic, one could say: you are choosing to let them be automatic.

I have thought about this too. The mind creates context as an overlay for the present direct moment. What you’re directly experiencing is your senses, what you’re currently hearing, seeing etc. But the mind makes you feel like what you’re seeing is happening within something larger. But that’s only what the mind is doing. You don’t actually experience anything larger than the immediacy here.

You could also introduce someone to ideas of enlightenment and spirituality in case you spot they seem open, not everyone knows about it but it could open up a world for them and you’ll have something additional to connect over. I live in Europe too in Sweden it’s a quite introvert culture. So I see the struggle. We don’t really talk to strangers as much. Then it’s easier if you go to specific events where socializing is more accepted..

Yea..

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It requires turning inward to see your own structure I think , which most don’t do

When you are deeply in touch with yourself and know yourself it’s easy to discern who’s for you and not, which you are Then it’s just a matter of exposing yourself to many people so you actually have chance to meet someone aligned. It’s a practical step, for example joining a group of people engaged in a hobby you like And importantly, to present yourself in authentic way where your depth gets to shine when you interact with someone, so the person has a chance to connect with the real you. Everyone might not show their deeper side at first but you can bring it out of them if you do, perhaps it’s more fitting to say so to a man, because stereotypically it’s more masculine to be the one leading the conversation and the vibe.

I agree. I noticed it myself I wonder why everyone wouldn’t seek enlightenment, because humans always want the best thing and enlightenment seems like the best. A thought is that the self is so dense that the person cannot intuit the possibility of enlightenment. I think it was like that for me, if someone showed me a talk about non duality 10 years ago I would probably not resonate, but today when my self has softened over the years I resonate with it. Same

Have you never desired a nice self image? I have had that desire for most of my life It didn’t work out for me though, a trap like many others. But I couldn’t help but want it, it seemed so good, but it’s only good for a little while, and it always has its backside… what you favor, you will fear the opposite. To seek enlightenment seems to me like the wisest thing

Thank you!

I’m sorry bout that

I feel separate yes. But maybe I am life in absolute sense Nicely written, no problem, I see your point When people in spirituality talk about self dissolution, from what I’ve heard, they talk about total self dissolution vs having a normal self. I have never experienced total self dissolution, only partial. Due to my partial self dissolution, the layers to my ego that used to have existential fear, attached to physical appearance, attached to a self image, socially anxious, jealous, comparing myself etc All of those died off. So now I am freed from those things. But other problems came up as result : A kind of emptiness, lack of joy, lack of human qualities like libido and emotion. Some in spirituality talk about infinity/no self/non duality as love, fullness, aliveness, richness And one might assume that the less self: the more of those things. But for me, yes life got temporarily richer, and more loving, and alive when layers to my self dissolved: but it was only temporary. In the end: it started to get more empty and those other things I mentioned. Also to give comparison: when I tried 5 Meo dmt, it dissolved my self even further (temporarily), and I still didn’t experience the love, fullness, aliveness that spiritual people talk about: to me reality was almost dead, so empty. It was kinda uncomfortable (probably some resistance from the little ego left) So that’s how it was for me. You are free to have your own view, it’s ok for me.

When I had ocular migraine I lost half my vision temporarily, I didn’t see black, I literally saw nothing There is depth to the self, it has layers. Always when a layer to my self dissolved it felt like more love: but that was temporary. Ultimately it led me to less and less reality and more and more emptiness

Who are you talking about?

It is not forbidden in my system to be magnetic/return to the self. Actually I am very focused on the self, it’s just that there is not much of it. I don’t really think I come of as crazy mostly i dont understand what madness has to do with symbolic death and not wanting to die

No I can tell I’m not enlightened

Because I have a condition that has the risk of getting progressively worse, so far it has been bearable though. And I have family member with a bunch of chronic pain that is even younger than me and they describe how horrible it is so I have some concern for future (I still manage to be quite calm most of the time). Things run in my family. I am just not used to pain, I was pain free before so it’s very new to me and I don’t know how bad it can get. But it’s like my mind images it in advance It’s not a strong fear. It’s more like a medium concern (after I managed to calm myself down). But yes you are right , so far it has been mostly mental . I agree we have power to influence our minds to stop a certain activity. But in my experience, in the past in particular. Something can linger in the mind strongly, and it is not enough to simply use willpower, or a temporary shifting of focus or change of thought, to stop those thoughts from lingering : what is required is a rewiring that takes time. Repetitive behavior, dissolution of a layer to the psyche that contains that lingering thought, facing the fear etc. It can even be ingrained biologically to fear something (for example pain or social rejection) so it’s even going against biology to try to stop it. So a kind of biological rewiring is needed too But I’m not saying it cannot be done nonetheless, with work, sometimes perhaps it’s more simple I have transcended most of those trivial things I have considered In my experience, and I’ve mentioned this to you before in another thread, I can consciously chose to think a thought right now: perhaps a pink elefant. And I can have influence to stop thoughts. And I can shift my mind to other thoughts. But unless I am doing those things, my thoughts happen mostly automatically, when they first appear, so I don’t consider it my own doing mostly of the time: But it’s in my power to have influence on it and stop it, and not feed into it. Thanks for the suggestion The last question I answered above My reply has gotten kinda long. But you can chose to reply to what you want it’s fine.

Can’t wait 😍 Jk (or lowkey not)

I try to have that in consideration

Thanks for the reminder. I’m one of the people who haven’t really kept up so much with this ai stuff