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I won’t go into this discussion again about our role in suffering we had it already and exhausted it😂😂👍🏻But yea awareness is key

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I think that’s a flawed dialogue imo😂 Mind can’t be found like a physical object but it exists in our awareness/experience of reality. I might be wrong somehow though But yea I tend to focus on my mind as it is presently

Lollll you guys are funny

@Schizophonia if I delete something what is the need of bringing it up? It’s deleted for a reason

Yea I’m most interested in the mind since that’s what I primarily have experience of. It seems to me grasping its nature might need one to kind of get a complete meta view of the mind. Which would require like a radically different state of consciousness. But yea that might not be necessary to drop suffering. Although I do think transcending suffering all together would require transcending the mind/self completely. Maybe maybe not, or some extreme mindfulness ability, that I heard a story about.

A woman could simply be horny enough, in combination of being open to the idea of casual sex meaning she doesn’t judge it from some religious standpoint or something, and maybe she also is craving some ego boost (some could use it as an addiction for a self esteem boost). Especially in the west where culture is very sexualized and a woman’s sex appeal is put on a pedestal, so engaging in casual sex could feed her self image of wanting to feel sexy. Now that I’m thinking all that I wrote could be achieved in a relationship too. To that I could explain that maybe yes she’s craving intimacy and affection, but the one she gets from casual sex might be “enough” for now in her life. And emotional support and social company she might get from friends

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Good for you

You’re being deep meanwhile schizophonia just had some grammatical errors

When unborntao gives up on replying to your endless repetitive rambling and instead resorts to his default response “contemplate” lol jk But to be honest it’s kinda difficult to comtemplate emotions when I barely feel any nowadays Mind can mean mind or Mind, so it has different meanings

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I don’t even know what mirroring means

Your grammar makes it like you’re talking about yourself and the other person simultaneously

I will not even try to understand 😂

Yea you’re right we don’t know what comes after so we can’t know if it’s better You mean those mentioned activities can make us “forget ourselves” so it’s like it’s imitating the end of ego that would happen at death If you assume death is nothing then yes nothing can be experienced there

It can be interpreted as “you/your life sucks so much why are you not ending it?” ,like this song lyrics “if i was you I’d cut up my wrist”. Or it could just be a question of what’s good in your life so that you wanna live. Which is what I meant.

Someone might ask “why are you suicidal” to try to help someone I asked just as random self expression I don’t really care for the answer 😂

What you referring to?

I have thought that too. It’s like a backwards question, someone might ask “ why are you suicidal” but to ask “why are you not ending yourself “ is a bit weird. It’s like “why are you not going to the store and buying 10 bananas and placing the peels on the floor so people slip”

@UnbornTao “Allow yourself to feel emotions” would change my experience if it was the case that I was repressing them to begin with. A scientist can observe nature and come to conclusion about something. In similar way you can observe your internal and come to a conclusion. Whether it’s true in the absolute sense could be questioned, we can call a chair a chair but is it really a chair because where is the actual border of the chair? But I guess you aren’t talking in absolute terms now. I didn’t say emptiness was a negative experience. It’s a neutral experience because it’s devoid of both positive and negative emotion. But it can be viewed logically as negative, without necessarily ~feeling~ negative about it because one recognizes that one misses out on positive human experiences in that state. And there might be different types of emptiness, the non dual emptiness that you talk about could still include emotions, but a state of being empty doesn’t. Both could coexist at the same time, one could see the self as empty, with or without emotion. You emphasize the power of the mind. I personally have not found a way I could create positive emotion using my mind. And I doubt you could turn off all your emotions and reach a state like mine using your mind. If you can, seems like a special ability. The mind may be powerful but it is not all powerful. I see your point about the creation of the distinction between positive and negative emotion. But still it doesn’t mean that a person couldn’t experience only one side of the duality for a while. I include concepts and the mind in “experience”. You can use your mind to describe your mind. You can say that you experience your own mind. Even if the self is purely mind, you could describe the experience of a weakening of that self, a dissolution of that mind self. Here we connect back to the point about if the mind is self generated or not. If you think the mind is ALL my own doing, then you’re saying I was the one who caused the weakening of my self, but if you recognize some aspect of mind can be inherent to how you function and beyond your total control, you can recognize an objective change in your experience that occurred beyond your control. Using the mind in functional, healthy ways can help yes. But I still see the mind as somewhat limited in its power. There could be experience beyond the minds doing, positive or negative, or neutral.

I haven’t gotten diagnosis as of yet for the physical. When I tell the doctors about the mental aspect they consider it a “delusion” so they put me on anti psychotics, which didn’t help In my journey of partial self dissolution, every time a layer to my self would dissolve, it felt freeing and I got more happy/peaceful. But it was temporary Towards the end, it started to rather feel like I was approaching a kind of nothingness, which is the emptiness I’ve described Problems I had in the past , such as social anxiety, existential anxiety, self image issues, all vanished the more my self weakened. So yes you and the spiritual people are right, it is freeing But mostly in spirituality they talk about complete self dissolution, and it’s described as positive sometimes (although some describe a nothingness too) Partial and full self dissolution are two different things, they don’t really talk about how it is to partially dissolve then being stuck in that state. It’s a different matter I plan on starting to exercise more soon, and going back to eating really healthy. I don’t know if I wanna do meditation tho lol .So I will see how that goes. I do think there is a neurological component. Like attention, the mind, awareness can and has changed something neurologically- seems possible. Dissolution of self seems to have neurological component (as you see I haven’t dropped the dissolution concept😂) I agree there’s two kind of self awareness. One which is just pure awareness of the internal. And another that is a self centered focus and concern for the self image. I find I have a lot of both. So yes I’m full of myself, but not only that I still don’t understand how negative and positive emotion arise simultaneously, do you mean that someone can’t be JUST happy for a moment? Like there’s always a negativity in the background of that? It’s ok if you find me impossible to talk to because I keep returning to the same description. To me it’s just me describing my experience

You’re funny I just looked at the response but I’ll reply later . Maybe I left the tab open or something so it seems I’ve been here for long

I have stopped it to some degree. So there is a degree of direct awareness of it. It’s just that some patterns can repeat themselves because they’re so deeply ingrained in us, so it takes some work to stop Lack of emotion, both positive and negative, is what I call neutrality, whether it’s more suitable to call apathy, maybe, I don’t know the exact definition. But yes it’s my state most of the time, and it’s not due to lack of internal awareness. I have always been very inwardly focused (it contributes to the neutrality) I don’t have that good memory of the past but I don’t see how positive and negative emotions arise together I have made some improvements to my mindset that has helped me. But yes there’s still more improvement possible .

Self might be non existent, but there’s still a SENSE of self. If that sense of self permanently weakens, to various degrees, that’s what I call partial self dissolution. You are the one who has your sense of self, so you’re the only one that can know for sure if it has weakened. For me. It led to almost loosing the center sense. It left me empty (emptiness is not suffering to me, it’s neutral because it lacks both positive and negative emotion). It left me with no libido, almost no sense of “dopamine hit “ from anything. It’s not suffering. It’s just a lack of positive experiences, and lack of sense of experience at all. Mind you, when I took 5 Meo dmt , and dissolved the self even further temporarily. I also experienced this emptiness . So there seems to be a correlation between weakening of sense of self and those things I mentioned. I am sure that something in my brain has changed (neuroplasticity?) over the years. The lack of dopamine I feel is one sign. So I’m sure it has some neurological component . You’re funny I mean, isn’t anything a story. It’s just describing direct experience. In the same way we are aware of external world and can describe it (like my house is yellow) we can describe internal experiences using our internal awareness.